DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com

[zerobias]

You indeed own that twit acc. LoL we are doomed.

How can you say that they are fake while there are hundreds of videos showing them while working already? ck himself said he wrote the code, slush itself confirmed they mined the first ASICBOOST block.

What happened to you?

I didn't say they were fake, I said Halong Mining was a scam, and that they're likely selling Innosilicon BTC miners they've obtained somehow, and using this to build legitimacy so they can sell non-existent hardware for other algorithms. I also said I doubt that they have these Innosilicon miners in enough volume to be able to fulfill all their customers orders.

how one can obtain such many units and nobody will claim that anywhere?
I mean, everyone knows Bitmain is sueing Whatsminer on some patent and this is much less drama than steeling hundreds of units from well known mfg

edit: grammar

[philipma1957]

What is funny for me, is that I feel that they got angry after I pointed that the control board pcb is very very similar to the Inno one,
instead of just being calm and explaining everybody how the situation is.

Their behavior is exactly in line with what someone would do if they stole a few thousand Innosilicon BTC miners, likely a product Inno planned to release this year.

It all makes sense, like the deliberate attempts to keep their miners out of the hands of experts, the way they're selling miners for other algorithms (which I don't think exist, and they claim absurd performance: https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/980469619679952898). They just got these Innosilicon BTC miners somehow, showed them to some people in the Bitcoin community to have them vouch for them, and then started selling fake non-existent miners (convenient how they haven't started shipping these?) for other algorithms. There's no ASICBOOST inside the chips, it's just a slightly more efficient Inno BTC miner, and considering how old the S9 is, that's not an impressive accomplishment.

If they actually had ASICBOOST in the chips, we would be seeing more dramatic power savings. The firmware excuse is simply not good enough, how can the firmware be so bad to almost completely remove all your supposed power savings from ASICBOOST?

Well it would be really easy to test that there is Asic boost  If I had  a sample.

To me this is a real product.  But  they are selling 3 other asic miners:

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t-miner/


https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b52-blake2b-miner/
https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/
https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-x2-miner/


I think bitmain acts like they are real  since bitmain  dropped prices on all of their competing miners.

And if you want to go conspiracy 

bitmain is halong

bitmain  did all of this  to  get us to believe  Halong is real and they needed to do a fire sale to compete with them.

And bitmain  is now doing insane amount of sales of gear.

the Scrypt  diff went from  160 to 210  that is 80,000 L3+s In a month.

Even at the discount price of  500 to 600 usd with coupon  they still make money on it.

Notice  the L3+ is the only alt that Halong did not go against.

My advice was and is and shall remain  don't buy anything from Halong Until I get the review unit.

and demo it.  BTW  they said they would send it.  They have not.  And people  kept ordering from them.

I have an older cousin she has always told me you can not help people help their self. 

They need to be self motivated.

My guess is the above in bold type is not true  but not to worry it will be deleted soon.

[Sandal_Hat]

How come they didnt send to philip? But they send to u first? No offense but all your post in 2018 has been at halong thread only and before that, it was a 2015 post.

Did they send it so you can make a thorough review here at the forum ?

I offered to take one to review and analyze it independently, they accepted. I look forward to checking out the unit, and plan on posting here about my experiences. Sandal, if you are keeping up with my posts, one of the primary Halong representatives here lives under half an hour from me and I had visited in early January to investigate the authenticity of these claims and was pretty delighted with what I found. Had he lived anywhere else, I would probably still be lurking. I think if the situation was the same, any of you would do likewise. It's a good opportunity to give back intelligence to the community with so much general angst and distrust of newcomers. As for Philip, I'm going to guess we're going to get the units at a similar time. It's a good thing they agreed to ship these out to more than one person.

As mentioned before, I've got no skin in the game with Halong directly. I'm not being compensated, and I'm happy to send the unit back if they desire. I appreciate the trust I've built with the company. I'm just an oldschool miner that likes new toys

I'm all ears for any ideas on the reviewing the unit if anyone wanted to test something unique. I had a few things in mind!

I dont buy that at all. This is freaking 2018. What is so difficult about shipping a machine over. It can be done in ONE DAY. There are only a few tweets about the machine's existence and no detailed reviews.
We have a foruner whose review claims that the machine is actually NOT as good as advertized. Some of the machine are abit better than S9 and some are worse.

No one wants a cherry picked review that shows good numbers. The fellow can probably drive to u and help u with the review. It is also suspicious that all your 2018 posts are in halong thread and your post before that was in 2015. No offense intended.

They should send a few machines to a few of the forum legendaries here for review. This way there will be a few different nunbers and reviews to look at. After all, these machines seem to perform with pretty huge variation. Be transparent and fair. If the machine is as good as they say, the reviews will speak for itself.

[.F.]

Well it would be really easy to test that there is Asic boost  If I had  a sample.

[...]

They posted that ALL March batch miners went out yesterday (see MyRig twitter). How could you not have received a DHL confirmation?

https://twitter.com/MyRig_com/status/980512683827998720

https://twitter.com/MyRig_com/status/980513155922055168

Hmmm...


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[Searing]

I am beginning to think that it may be 2019 before Philipma1957 gets his review unit...I mean really?

Again, my view is they mined a mess of these for months and now folk on here are getting the tail end of their last run (at best)

so...suddenly delays on this last run of units....(and or price issues with BTC) ...so the big stall?

Anyway, the 2nd coming may happen before Philipma1957 gets his review unit...(sorry...just saying)

sheesh...

 

[Sandal_Hat]

[...]

And if you want to go conspiracy  

bitmain is halong

bitmain  did all of this  to  get us to believe  Halong is real and they needed to do a fire sale to compete with them.

And bitmain  is now doing insane amount of sales of gear.

the Scrypt  diff went from  160 to 210  that is 80,000 L3+s In a month.

Even at the discount price of  500 to 600 usd with coupon  they still make money on it.

Notice  the L3+ is the only alt that Halong did not go against.

[...]

That doesnt make sense to me. Why would bitmain create their own competitor and compete with themselve? Driving up mining difficulty hurts themselves too as they are the biggest miner, among other things. They can just keep selling at higher prices, lesser units but more profit if not for competition.

Making an xmr machine for bitmain and one for halong is also waste of money. It is the same to do 2 for SIA.
This miner is supportive of.slushpool, which is bitmain antpool competitor. It is default on slush right?


Furthermore, if bitmain created halong just to use an excuse to lower miners, they have gotten what they wanted and they would have no issue to send u a demo.

Inno being Dragonmint makes more sense. Notice how all of dragon miners have no algo similar to inno machines. It is not just the control board.

Just my 2 cents speculation


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[Sandal_Hat]

Yeah, they haven't gotten back to me since my first email, and I'm not inclined to follow up, unless they have extra units around they want me to review too.

I think they should have units. Slushpool tweeted they hit 3EH on 24th march. It is now about 3.0 EH but it was 2.9EH about 10 hours ago. It has been 2.85-3EH the last week from what I notice on the app. So, I dont think they sold much. It is tough to sell in this market for one thing. Perhaps u can try again.

[dimaze]

I dont buy that at all. This is freaking 2018. What is so difficult about shipping a machine over. It can be done in ONE DAY. There are only a few tweets about the machine's existence and no detailed reviews.
We have a foruner whose review claims that the machine is actually NOT as good as advertized. Some of the machine are abit better than S9 and some are worse.

No one wants a cherry picked review that shows good numbers. The fellow can probably drive to u and help u with the review. It is also suspicious that all your 2018 posts are in halong thread and your post before that was in 2015. No offense intended.

Quite honestly, if I was in Halong's shoes, I'd probably do the exact same thing.  The March orders were the early believers and the ones that should deserve their units before anyone else. I certainly wouldn't ship test units to anyone before my very first customers that had paid me nearly half a year ago. Remember, everyone had the opportunity to see the unit in person -- which many people did, in January at multiple avenues. There is zero chance I would ship anyone else the units prior to my early believers.

I think I've made my point clear and concise with my activity and have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that I am the original account holder. As indicated, if there was a manufacturer representative that lived close to you, I'm sure anyone here would do the same thing I have done.

With regards to reviewing the unit, if anyone wants to fly/drive out to Milwaukee and visit my shop when I receive the unit, they are welcome to do so. I'm happy to host you and review the unit together with anyone that wishes to. Cobra, if you fly out, I'll even get a crow 

[VRobb]

I'll be flying out to MKE in May.  I'd be interested in a quick visit seeing it.  Might help to clarify, or maybe add more to the confusion!
Once I got my plans made I'll PM you.  Might be a moot point by then, tho...

[Cøbra]

I dont buy that at all. This is freaking 2018. What is so difficult about shipping a machine over. It can be done in ONE DAY. There are only a few tweets about the machine's existence and no detailed reviews.
We have a foruner whose review claims that the machine is actually NOT as good as advertized. Some of the machine are abit better than S9 and some are worse.

No one wants a cherry picked review that shows good numbers. The fellow can probably drive to u and help u with the review. It is also suspicious that all your 2018 posts are in halong thread and your post before that was in 2015. No offense intended.

Quite honestly, if I was in Halong's shoes, I'd probably do the exact same thing.  The March orders were the early believers and the ones that should deserve their units before anyone else. I certainly wouldn't ship test units to anyone before my very first customers that had paid me nearly half a year ago. Remember, everyone had the opportunity to see the unit in person -- which many people did, in January at multiple avenues. There is zero chance I would ship anyone else the units prior to my early believers.

I think I've made my point clear and concise with my activity and have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that I am the original account holder. As indicated, if there was a manufacturer representative that lived close to you, I'm sure anyone here would do the same thing I have done.

With regards to reviewing the unit, if anyone wants to fly/drive out to Milwaukee and visit my shop when I receive the unit, they are welcome to do so. I'm happy to host you and review the unit together with anyone that wishes to. Cobra, if you fly out, I'll even get a crow 

You probably are in Halong's shoes, since you sound like Scott Offord, Halong's "helper" who also happens to be based in Milwaukee. I'll bet "zerobias" in this thread is Oleg, a Russian associated with this whole shady operation.

Really, how convenient for this guy to get the hardware for review, and not people like philipma1957 and HagssFIN?

Bunch of scammers selling likely stolen shit to the community that doesn't meet the specification, and fake miners, and preying on rightful concerns about mining centralization to pump their deception the entire way. I feel bad for people like -ck, Adam Back, and slush who got deceived by these guys and helped add legitimacy to them, the coming weeks are going to be... interesting for them.

[mindrust]

You probably are in Halong's shoes, since you sound like Scott Offord, Halong's "helper" who also happens to be based in Milwaukee. I'll bet "zerobias" in this thread is Oleg, a Russian associated with this whole shady operation.

Really, how convenient for this guy to get the hardware for review, and not people like philipma1957 and HagssFIN?

Bunch of scammers selling likely stolen shit to the community that doesn't meet the specification, and fake miners, and preying on rightful concerns about mining centralization to pump their deception the entire way. I feel bad for people like -ck, Adam Back, and slush who got deceived by these guys and helped add legitimacy to them, the coming weeks are going to be... interesting for them.

What's wrong with giving legitimacy to a company which delivers its promises? People already started posting its photos around. What fake miners? What's wrong with you?

It is not just Adam, -ck, slush btw. Don't forget core dev btcdrak.

You stopped posting for nearly 3 months and suddenly started the "halong is scam" propaganda. Have you seen what people say about you recently on twitter? Do you realize how suspicious your actions are right now?

[Zand_]

The one I plugged in is running at 15.5 THs and pulling around 1570 watts. See photos below...

https://i.imgur.com/mzh9WcF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3w356pJ.jpg


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[mindrust]

Let's say Halong stole the shit out of Bitmain's designs and everything. WHY DO YOU CARE?

[.F.]

The one I plugged in is running at 15.5 THs and pulling around 1570 watts. See photos below...

[...]

Thanks for the photos!

What does it mean to have that many HW errors that soon after plug in?


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[dimaze]

You probably are in Halong's shoes, since you sound like Scott Offord, Halong's "helper" who also happens to be based in Milwaukee. I'll bet "zerobias" in this thread is Oleg, a Russian associated with this whole shady operation.

Really, how convenient for this guy to get the hardware for review, and not people like philipma1957 and HagssFIN?

Bunch of scammers selling likely stolen shit to the community that doesn't meet the specification, and fake miners, and preying on rightful concerns about mining centralization to pump their deception the entire way. I feel bad for people like -ck, Adam Back, and slush who got deceived by these guys and helped add legitimacy to them, the coming weeks are going to be... interesting for them.

I've never seen a level of angst from someone that's been around as long as you have against a manufacturer like you have. Did Halong or their prominent supporters do you wrong? You're saying you wouldn't meet a manufacturer representative if he was close to you? I encourage you to fly out here and review the unit with me as soon as I get it. Seriously. I promise the DHL guy that delivers it actually works for DHL and isn't fake. There is nothing wrong with advancements in the field - it is something that should be encouraged among all the manufacturers for a level of competition that is helpful to consumers and the industry at the end of the day. What you have been doing is incredibly divisive.

I'll be flying out to MKE in May.  I'd be interested in a quick visit seeing it.  Might help to clarify, or maybe add more to the confusion!
Once I got my plans made I'll PM you.  Might be a moot point by then, tho...

Glad to have you swing around and check it out. I'll be out in NY a week in early May, I can arrange for my secretary to show you if that's the time you plan on being in town By then the April units should be all out in the wild too!

@Zand -- Nice to see units out in the wild! Can't wait to check mine out when I get it

[Zand_]

The one I plugged in is running at 15.5 THs and pulling around 1570 watts. See photos below...

Thanks for the photos!

What does it mean to have that many HW errors that soon after plug in?

No idea... Seems to be working fine though.

[RoadStress]

Cøbra's accounts are owned by a guy who worked for Bitmain and now works for Roger Ver. Don't get fooled by his propaganda!

[philipma1957]

As I have said the gear exists by that I mean the T1

So far  every meter  shows it to be off  from 16,000 gh and 1400 watts.

-ck says it may be tuned to a better number then the current number. Down the road.

So it looks like early adopters got hurt here. They had their money held from black Friday  till this week.


About 120 days.

And the gear seems to do  .1 watts a gh  under 10% improvement then the s-9  maybe under 5% improvement.

I can buy a 420 coupon for 70  and get a 13th  s-9 for

1160 + 100 = 1260  + 70 = 1330 - 420 or 910

I am thinking 910 dollar s-9s  look better then this gear. > This is  a speculation about the value of the T1


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[VentMine]

I dont buy that at all. This is freaking 2018. What is so difficult about shipping a machine over. It can be done in ONE DAY. There are only a few tweets about the machine's existence and no detailed reviews.
We have a foruner whose review claims that the machine is actually NOT as good as advertized. Some of the machine are abit better than S9 and some are worse.

No one wants a cherry picked review that shows good numbers. The fellow can probably drive to u and help u with the review. It is also suspicious that all your 2018 posts are in halong thread and your post before that was in 2015. No offense intended.

Quite honestly, if I was in Halong's shoes, I'd probably do the exact same thing.  The March orders were the early believers and the ones that should deserve their units before anyone else. I certainly wouldn't ship test units to anyone before my very first customers that had paid me nearly half a year ago. Remember, everyone had the opportunity to see the unit in person -- which many people did, in January at multiple avenues. There is zero chance I would ship anyone else the units prior to my early believers.

I think I've made my point clear and concise with my activity and have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that I am the original account holder. As indicated, if there was a manufacturer representative that lived close to you, I'm sure anyone here would do the same thing I have done.

With regards to reviewing the unit, if anyone wants to fly/drive out to Milwaukee and visit my shop when I receive the unit, they are welcome to do so. I'm happy to host you and review the unit together with anyone that wishes to. Cobra, if you fly out, I'll even get a crow 

You probably are in Halong's shoes, since you sound like Scott Offord, Halong's "helper" who also happens to be based in Milwaukee. I'll bet "zerobias" in this thread is Oleg, a Russian associated with this whole shady operation.

Really, how convenient for this guy to get the hardware for review, and not people like philipma1957 and HagssFIN?

Bunch of scammers selling likely stolen shit to the community that doesn't meet the specification, and fake miners, and preying on rightful concerns about mining centralization to pump their deception the entire way. I feel bad for people like -ck, Adam Back, and slush who got deceived by these guys and helped add legitimacy to them, the coming weeks are going to be... interesting for them.

Lol Cobra, such plug.

[Dr.Mann]

[....] Bunch of scammers selling likely stolen shit to the community that doesn't meet the specification, and fake miners, and preying on rightful concerns about mining centralization to pump their deception the entire way. I feel bad for people like -ck, Adam Back, and slush who got deceived by these guys and helped add legitimacy to them, the coming weeks are going to be... interesting for them.

I've tried to be fair and objective in my criticism of Halong Mining and its unveiling of the DragonMint. I've spent considerable time conducting due diligence on Halong Mining and "MyRig, Inc." I purchased many DragonMints in early January (more than the MOQ). I did so impulsively, being irrationally exuberant when BTC prices were much higher than they are today. I didn't do my usual due diligence on Halong Mining, and that was my mistake. When I became 99% convinced that Halong Mining was a scam and that I'd never receive the miners I bought from them, I immediately wanted to share publicly the results of my research, so I shared my concerns with Unicornflex (a friend, associate, and member of this community), who made the initial post of our concerns. (See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2443327.1260.) We decided this post would perhaps be better received by this community from his account, since he had been a member here for many years, and my account was just created. My only motivation in voicing the results of my research was to help others not get scammed, as I certainly feared I would be.

My opinion about Halong Mining and "MyRig, Inc." has not changed much. There is no question they are shady operators. Because their incorporation cannot be verified, the public has no way to hold them accountable, for example, for design defects or theft of intellectual property (yes, perhaps from Innosilicon -- see https://i.imgur.com/RgI9Eoy.jpg; please note: the origin of this photo is unknown to me, but was shared today on the DragonMint Telegram Group, https://t.me/dragonmint), by someone named @swapman.)

Halong Mining and "MyRig, Inc." don't reply to reasonable inquiries for information about their incorporation or registered agents. Halong Mining claims an FCC certification of its hardware (the DM1) exists, but the FCC has no record of it that I can find. Why wouldn't Halong want to share the details of its FCC certificate if it had one? There are many, many other concerns that I've tried to document in this thread.

Having said that, we know that -ck has done essential, valid work for the community, including, he says, for Halong Mining. He has said he is working remotely on the firmware used by the DragonMint with interesting, positive results. In fact, he has made so many statements in this thread affirming the DragonMint, we have to trust him that this hardware is real, even if it is produced by shadowy figures. It doesn't mean we should place new orders for hardware from Halong Mining. I don't think we should. I do not recommend purchasing from Halong Mining until it discloses who its operators are and where it is incorporated. I would also like to see an FCC registration number of its claimed FCC certificate or other information on where the public can view it. Until Halong Mining discloses this information, understand that if you buy from Halong Mining, caveat emptor, you're buying from people who you cannot hold accountable, so don't count on anything. While I appreciate the confirmations made by -ck, Adam Back, Jan Čapek, and JP La Torre, let's be clear -- they are not warranting anything about the shipment of hardware by Halong Mining. Its operators could disappear at any moment for any reason -- valid or not.