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January 26, 2018, 07:41:03 AM
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Just saw this Merit change and think its a good idea to prevent spam posts.
But I am a bit confused... did I get 500 Merit as a Hero Member although I have an activity above 700?
Someone who just got Hero Member would get the same I guess although I have at least 50% higher activity.
Why didnt they use some kind of percentage progression?

exactly what im saying...
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January 26, 2018, 07:44:06 AM
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I like this new ranking requirement.  It helps cleans up the forum.  I think many people will be stuck at Full Member rank permanently due to this change. 

Agreed. Accumulating merits is hard compared to activity points. They should reduce points to 150 or something for sr ranks.

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January 26, 2018, 07:50:51 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited.

Length != Quality

Sometimes the ability to convey a point concisely is far more important than an essay that fails to deliver any meaning. Merit is in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure the sources will each have a slightly different interpretation as to what that is. In my eyes making a positive contribution to the forum and Bitcoin community is equally important as technical knowledge.

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January 26, 2018, 07:51:52 AM
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Oh, yes, this is true, I completely missed this part.

So, not only it's already very difficult to receive any merit (for example, I like very much this post, but as I have only one sMerit to give, I'll keep it for a best occasion. Sorry), but it will be more and more difficult until it will be totally impossible.

Even if you wrote ten wonderful post every day, you won't receive anything, because there will be nothing to give.

I don't know what to say, but without a big correction this system won't work.



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I've no idea how many fantastic post I should write to have the hope to  receive the 90 merit I need to become Full Member.
Probably after some post without any positive feedback, I'll simply give up, and I'll stop posting.
And for sure, newbies and Jr.Member will do the same.
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Of course, may be I'm completely wrong (I'd like to be), and it will be very easy to receive merit and to rank up, in the meanwhile we can keep shitposters away.

Wow, I received two merits (I'm pretty surprised) from two unknown members, so it seems that it's possible to grow (now, I only need 88 to become full member...)

Btw, there is an aspect that - although mentioned somewhere by theymos - it seems that it wasn't discussed enough.

I mean, I received TWO sMerits: this produces TWO more Merits, but I can give only ONE sMerits. If I give this sMerit to someone, my sMerits go down by one, but I keep all my Merits.
Well, I already have a little headache, but I understand.
But... this means that the global quantity of sMerits decreases costantly, and IMHO, very fast.

Let's do some math: a Legendary has 1000 sMerits, for example. He is very generous and gives - to ten members he appreciates very much - 100 sMerits to each one. Now, they have grown up by 100 Merit, but they only have 50 sMerits to give away. In this passage, 500 sMerits simply disappeared and the global mass is 500 sMerits less!

If they do the same, at the next passage there will be only 250, then 125,... the quantity will tend to zero very fast.

If this happens on global scale very soon there won't be any sMerit to give; I understand that there is a kind of monthly mining, but it can replace all what is lost: I understand that the system started with 600.000 sMerits: well, if all sMerits are given, they become 300.000, then 150.000...
How could they be replaced by a 8.000 sMerits from mining?

If the sMerit was a coin, this could be an deflaction system to create scarsity, and the value os a sMerit will grow constantly: the last coin will have the value of the starting global valutary mass.
In our case, I can't figure what will happen so I'm very curios.

Sincerely, I've the feeling that the system will crash very fast (or, better, it will stall: nobody will receive any merit) , but - as I'm pretty sure the this aspect was analyzed from the creators of the system - may be there is something I don't grasp.

Let me know if I'm wrong.

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January 26, 2018, 07:56:42 AM
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Earn merit is harder than earn activity. I think the merit point should be reduced a little.
Maybe, merit point required for ranked-up is 50% from activity point is more fair.
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January 26, 2018, 07:59:01 AM
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This new merit system is good for all of us. Now we need to read the previous post on the thread to understand the the thread and then write a meaningful post. Other than that we should search on google about the topic discussed to get more information. I need the merit and I will do this.
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January 26, 2018, 07:59:14 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited. Doesn't mean you agree to their reply its already of quality? If that's the case this new system is getting really amusing. We'll see how this goes, good luck to us all.

because it is new, the carrot is being dangled.. the right attitude towards this is a quality post in my eyes... it doesn't have to be 300 words long.

right now if all the lower ranked  guys got on board then they would see results, embrace change and see what happens

I agree that a right attitude towards the subject of merit is essential, as it adresses a real problem in this forum. However, I do also have a pretty clear indication that the people writing concerns in this topic, are not the same people we try to get rid of by implementing this feature. I think everybody bothering to write some sort of comment or concern in this topic, are the people who have a genuine concern for the well being of the site and their investment.
Take myself for example. I joined BCT a month and a half ago. Still I believe my passion towards cryptos, and the amount of money I have invested in it, to be at least on par with several Hero/Legendary members. I really do get why we need to implement some sort of filter to sort the good from the bad, but we are a lot of people eager to be here. This system does not benefit me or people in my position - quite the opposite in fact. That being said, I do not consider this post to be of low quality in spite of my concerned attitude.

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January 26, 2018, 08:00:02 AM
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I like this new ranking requirement.  It helps cleans up the forum.  I think many people will be stuck at Full Member rank permanently due to this change. 
I dont think so, i think all the members will adjust in the new features of the forum they will do their best to rank up their account, if you dont have goal you will remain in your current rank. I agree with the new rules about ranking up of account to avoid useless post which many user did for the sake of money.
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January 26, 2018, 08:00:32 AM
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I do like this new system of ranking up. It will certainly help in stopping spam, and maybe even alt accounts. Although some people might go more aggressive and make multiple accounts to cross merit their posts and rank up. Other thing that is sure to happen is BCT members creating telegram groups to cross merit each other. This system is pretty much like Steemit, and will certainly be abused. Higher ranks means more money and so money grabbers will surely unite! I merit you, you merit me. That's what gonna happen.

Clearly higher ranked members have got a huge relief here. They won't have to go through the struggling period!!

As for me, I will be meriting good posts made by lower ranked members so that they can also climb the ranks. The only issue is that "high-quality post" is a very subjective topic. What is a high quality post? Is it a post with lots of expertise and 100% correct English/local language (in local board)? Is it a post with 1000+ words? Is it a post made by a member with all green trust? If these things make up for a high quality post then I guess most members will never rank up, which might be very disappointing for many members as most of them (including me) are not crypto experts, but crypto enthusiasts.

So overall, I think the intention behind merit system is very good, but it will now create a new class of Bitcointalk members, known as merit farmers! No system is perfect and I hope the benefits of this system outweigh its drawbacks.

Nah, just merit posts which you find useful.

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January 26, 2018, 08:01:38 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited. Doesn't mean you agree to their reply its already of quality? If that's the case this new system is getting really amusing. We'll see how this goes, good luck to us all.

because it is new, the carrot is being dangled.. the right attitude towards this is a quality post in my eyes... it doesn't have to be 300 words long.

right now if all the lower ranked  guys got on board then they would see results, embrace change and see what happens

I agree that a right attitude towards the subject of merit is essential, as it adresses a real problem in this forum. However, I do also have a pretty clear indication that the people writing concerns in this topic, are not the same people we try to get rid of by implementing this feature. I think everybody bothering to write some sort of comment or concern in this topic, are the people who have a genuine concern for the well being of the site and their investment.
Take myself for example. I joined BCT a month and a half ago. Still I believe my passion towards cryptos, and the amount of money I have invested in it, to be at least on par with several Hero/Legendary members. I really do get why we need to implement some sort of filter to sort the good from the bad, but we are a lot of people eager to be here. This system does not benefit me or people in my position - quite the opposite in fact. That being said, I do not consider this post to be of low quality in spite of my concerned attitude.

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January 26, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
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Earn merit is harder than earn activity. I think the merit point should be reduced a little.
Maybe, merit point required for ranked-up is 50% from activity point is more fair.

Member merit is start at 10 points..Full member merit is 100 points. to get the full member, I need 90 points.
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January 26, 2018, 08:04:34 AM
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Earn merit is harder than earn activity. I think the merit point should be reduced a little.
Maybe, merit point required for ranked-up is 50% from activity point is more fair.

Member merit is start at 10 points..Full member merit is 100 points. to get the full member, I need 90 points.
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January 26, 2018, 08:05:41 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited. Doesn't mean you agree to their reply its already of quality? If that's the case this new system is getting really amusing. We'll see how this goes, good luck to us all.
I currently merit posts that are either of good quality or in some way contributing to the discussion, forum, etc. So it doesn't necessarily have to be an amazing post, if someone makes a well timed joke, I might just merit them.

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January 26, 2018, 08:06:53 AM
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I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden

That is not a good idea in my opinion. Basically i agree on why did theymos didn't add the demerit function. We have a report to moderator option that we could use if we ever saw someone trying to post a garbage. Deleting someones post is basically the job of the mods. Allowing users to delete posts without due process will be so unethical tho. Will you allow someone to discredit your post without having a due process? Obviously not

Demerit system will backfire imo.

Let  me give you a similar example

I have been on steemit for pretty good time and what I see there is people "flag" other users just because they disagree with them or for personal reasons.

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January 26, 2018, 08:09:17 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited.

Length != Quality

Sometimes the ability to convey a point concisely is far more important than an essay that fails to deliver any meaning. Merit is in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure the sources will each have a slightly different interpretation as to what that is. In my eyes making a positive contribution to the forum and Bitcoin community is equally important as technical knowledge.


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January 26, 2018, 08:09:42 AM
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Earn merit is harder than earn activity. I think the merit point should be reduced a little.
Maybe, merit point required for ranked-up is 50% from activity point is more fair.

Member merit is start at 10 points..Full member merit is 100 points. to get the full member, I need 90 points.
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its 500 merit..Maby take years for me to get a Hero Member..or someone can sell their merit to me.
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January 26, 2018, 08:11:28 AM
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its 500 merit..Maby take years for me to get a Hero Member..or someone can sell their merit to me.
Please let me know when someone does, so that I can give them a negative rating. Grin

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January 26, 2018, 08:17:16 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited.

Length != Quality

Sometimes the ability to convey a point concisely is far more important than an essay that fails to deliver any meaning. Merit is in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure the sources will each have a slightly different interpretation as to what that is. In my eyes making a positive contribution to the forum and Bitcoin community is equally important as technical knowledge.



I know Length != Quality, I read the whole thread of people getting negative trust for giving 2 liners comments and those that cannot write proper english. They basically think 2 liners  post and non english people does not qualify enough. I know most of them are spammers but some are legitly trying. And I thought thats the root of all these merit system. Anyways I find these all subjective and I'm happy some people are open enough to give merits to those that can only reply few sentences with substances ofcourse.
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January 26, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
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its 500 merit..Maby take years for me to get a Hero Member..or someone can sell their merit to me.
Please let me know when someone does, so that I can give them a negative rating. Grin
Haha.. and if someone  caught the buy/sell merit..and report to you..so the merit  should give to the reporter.
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January 26, 2018, 08:17:57 AM
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Earn merit is harder than earn activity. I think the merit point should be reduced a little.
Maybe, merit point required for ranked-up is 50% from activity point is more fair.

The problem is you dont have the ability to influence the level of your Merit.
Users will transfer their Merits to their "friends" only.
With each new transfer the amount of Merit is reduced by half, In a few days, it simply will not remain.
How to grow account with the new rules?

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