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January 26, 2018, 08:26:34 AM
Merited by TMAN (2)
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The problem is you dont have the ability to influence the level of your Merit.
Users will transfer their Merits to their "friends" only.
I've just checked your post history and all I can see are some short posts, Twitter bounty applications and posts in a trashed Russian thread (all Russian sections are on my ignore list). Not much there for me to give merit to (and I've been giving merit to a lot of random people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=113670).

I do agree with you that a lot of merit will be given to friends, which could be a problem in the future, we aren't sure yet, the system is brand new.

With each new transfer the amount of Merit is reduced by half, In a few days, it simply will not remain.
How to grow account with the new rules?
Merit sources currently generate 9025 sMerit every 30 days, so there will always be a supply of merit.

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January 26, 2018, 08:26:59 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited. Doesn't mean you agree to their reply its already of quality? If that's the case this new system is getting really amusing. We'll see how this goes, good luck to us all.
I currently merit posts that are either of good quality or in some way contributing to the discussion, forum, etc. So it doesn't necessarily have to be an amazing post, if someone makes a well timed joke, I might just merit them.

I think this system will lead to a new type of spam. Merit begging and scammers will find a way to monetize by searching for the beggars... IMHO

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January 26, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
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I think this system will lead to a new type of spam. Merit begging and scammers will find a way to monetize by searching for the beggars... IMHO
I'll ignore beggars (and maybe leave a neutral trust rating) and I'll give a negative trust rating to anyone that is buying or selling merit (since they are not trustworthy IMO). I'm not sure what other members will do, but this will be my approach.

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January 26, 2018, 08:30:26 AM
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I think this system will lead to a new type of spam. Merit begging and scammers will find a way to monetize by searching for the beggars... IMHO

This is a genuine concern which I could not find anyone answering properly. But no system is perfect. may be they are ready to pay this price for making the forum spam free.
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January 26, 2018, 08:33:06 AM
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I'll give a negative trust rating to anyone that is buying or selling merit (since they are not trustworthy IMO).

Have you heard of negative SEO? What if person A leaves 50 merits or so on a short post of person B using account of person C to get some negative trust for him. Person C will get punished without any fault.
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January 26, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
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Have you heard of negative SEO? What if person A leaves 50 merits or so on a short post of person B using account of person C to get some negative trust for him. Person C will get punished without any fault.
I'm talking about clear cases of buying/selling merit. This sounds more like abusing the merit system with alternative accounts, which is a whole other issue. Sad

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January 26, 2018, 08:41:25 AM
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Looks like @theymos has kicked the hornet's (spammers) nest...  Cheesy

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January 26, 2018, 08:47:25 AM
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Looks like @theymos has kicked the hornet's (spammers) nest...  Cheesy
I love this comment!  If I had any sMerits I would totally give it to you.

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January 26, 2018, 08:48:30 AM
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I'll ignore beggars (and maybe leave a neutral trust rating) and I'll give a negative trust rating to anyone that is buying or selling merit (since they are not trustworthy IMO). I'm not sure what other members will do, but this will be my approach.

I have updated my lending rules to warn that even asking about trading leads to negative trust.  Hopefully this will quell the oncoming queries about Merit as collateral.

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January 26, 2018, 08:48:50 AM
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I thought I have read clearly that only quality posts should be given merits, why am I seeing 1-2 liner post that have been merited.

Length != Quality

Sometimes the ability to convey a point concisely is far more important than an essay that fails to deliver any meaning. Merit is in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure the sources will each have a slightly different interpretation as to what that is. In my eyes making a positive contribution to the forum and Bitcoin community is equally important as technical knowledge.


"Merit is in the eye of the beholder"

Damn! This is the most beautiful thing I read today.

Am in total agreement with the  above post......  i see many  talks in the past few pages emphasizing on quality/good..... is there a criteria to determine which post is considered quality or good enough to attract sMerit from forum members?

I don't think there is........ rather a post can be consider good and helpful regardless of its quantity ot length as long as it convey a message good enough for the receiver. I believe in heating the nail on the head rather than beating around the bush.
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January 26, 2018, 08:49:01 AM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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I think this system will lead to a new type of spam. Merit begging and scammers will find a way to monetize by searching for the beggars... IMHO
I'll ignore beggars (and maybe leave a neutral trust rating) and I'll give a negative trust rating to anyone that is buying or selling merit (since they are not trustworthy IMO). I'm not sure what other members will do, but this will be my approach.

This thread is getting long, but thats exactly what i said. We have some dedicated Legendary members who are doing their best to keep this forum good by giving trust ratings to spammers etc.
And there is no reason they wont continiue to do it with merit abuse Smiley


Edit: And to thoose worried about ranking up. Members is quite easy to get at least. And ive already gotten 4 merit.
I think (hope) i write decent posts, but i am by far one of the better ones on bitcointalk. So it is possible if you just do your best Smiley

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January 26, 2018, 08:53:18 AM
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well, there should also be a rule against merit beggers then...

since i think, that there will be a lot of new threads for begging merits Smiley "sir please, give me and my family merit Smiley"


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January 26, 2018, 08:55:36 AM
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As a support to the new merit system, I would ask signature campaign managers to add extra merit members to be added to their campaign.

One of the condition to join the signature campaign to be

Hero members with more than 700 or 800 merits will be able to participate in this campaign.



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January 26, 2018, 08:55:48 AM
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Have you heard of negative SEO? What if person A leaves 50 merits or so on a short post of person B using account of person C to get some negative trust for him. Person C will get punished without any fault.
I'm talking about clear cases of buying/selling merit. This sounds more like abusing the merit system with alternative accounts, which is a whole other issue. Sad

I don't know why the Admin even grant the idea of having alts account in the first place........ this is just given room to unending issues, what is the need for alts account that your main account can't not serve?
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January 26, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
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Have you heard of negative SEO? What if person A leaves 50 merits or so on a short post of person B using account of person C to get some negative trust for him. Person C will get punished without any fault.
I'm talking about clear cases of buying/selling merit. This sounds more like abusing the merit system with alternative accounts, which is a whole other issue. Sad

I don't know why the Admin even grant the idea of having alts account in the first place........ this is just given room to unending issues, what is the need for alts account that your main account can't not serve?
If you want to sanitize the system, then do it right


allowing alt accounts is probably due to the fact, that people want to earn tokens/coins by joining different signature bounties.

for some folks, thats an undeniable source of monthly income.

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January 26, 2018, 08:58:14 AM
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Sorry if this question has been already answered but where can I see my available s-merits (those that I can send to other members)?
Thanks in advance  
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Sorry if this question has been already answered but where can I see my available s-merits (those that I can send to other members)?
Thanks in advance  

Press the +Merit in top right corner of a post. There you can see your current sMerit balance.

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January 26, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
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Sorry if this question has been already answered but where can I see my available s-merits (those that I can send to other members)?
Thanks in advance  

Just click on "+merit" in any posting (next to quote) and your sMerit window will pop up
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January 26, 2018, 09:02:34 AM
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Sorry if this question has been already answered but where can I see my available s-merits (those that I can send to other members)?
Thanks in advance  

Press the +Merit in top right corner of a post. There you can see your current sMerit balance.

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January 26, 2018, 09:06:59 AM
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According to the new rank requirements, Full Member needs 120 activity and 150 merit to get next rank, 240 and 250 for Hero Members respectively. I doubt here is enough amount of Full Members and Hero Members with ratio >1 merit for post. Most of posts have 0 merit, so why do we need activity requirements? If user have merit, he proves his usefulness for forum, but doesn't deserve upgrade if doesn't meet post requirements. I thought those changes were made for quality>quantity reasons, but quantity requirements remains the same.
Members will not be able to collect 1 merit per post in average, and I didn't even consider merit decrease (right now every Member+ account has merit, and only merit sourses will get merit month to month).
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