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November 30, 2013, 08:00:53 PM
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It is not rubbish he indeed discovered a flaw in the Bitcoin protocol. The flaw is if you ever gave your bitcoins to a person in promise for them to return the bitcoins, they might run away with your them.

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To be fair, this bug was discovered much earlier by many others. Ukyo cannot claim priority here  Wink
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November 30, 2013, 08:15:05 PM
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from activemining official announcements thread:

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Bitfunder/WeExchange Problems:

We have ~106 BTC in the Bitfunder/WeExchange system which we can not obtain.  We have sent Bitfunder's/WeExchange's Ukyo a Legal Demand For Payment within 72 hours.  We expect this problem to result in the loss of the 106 BTC.  We are meeting with our Lawyers to determine what our next steps will be.  This 106 BTC has been deducted from our liquid cash position above.
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December 03, 2013, 11:29:47 AM
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106 BTC... damn. That's gotta hurt, losing that.

At max I'll only lose couple of thousand dollars. Which sucks but survivable.
It does set me back a couple of months of profit..
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December 03, 2013, 01:00:09 PM
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The excuse was holidays, now they are over what is the next excuse? This is getting ridiculous
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December 03, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
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The excuse was holidays, now they are over what is the next excuse? This is getting ridiculous

They couldn't proceed with whatever they needed to do because of the holidays. We have had a whole 1 US working day since then. It's should be evident that whatever needs to happen is not a 1 day fix.

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December 03, 2013, 05:28:47 PM
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The excuse was holidays, now they are over what is the next excuse? This is getting ridiculous

They couldn't proceed with whatever they needed to do because of the holidays. We have had a whole 1 US working day since then. It's should be evident that whatever needs to happen is not a 1 day fix.



What is your estimate of the time scale we are talking about? I have seen no concrete info either from Ukyo or Danny whether we are talking about days, weeks, months or years. Is there anything out there that I missed?
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December 03, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
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What is your estimate of the time scale we are talking about? I have seen no concrete info either from Ukyo or Danny whether we are talking about days, weeks, months or years. Is there anything out there that I missed?

I can't give an estimate as it's not for me to give and my understanding is that there are reasons an estimate cannot be given, else it would have been.

Purely from my own perspective, I would hope to see something within the next 2 weeks. To use your words, days or weeks but not months or years.

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December 03, 2013, 05:56:39 PM
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The excuse was holidays, now they are over what is the next excuse? This is getting ridiculous

They couldn't proceed with whatever they needed to do because of the holidays. We have had a whole 1 US working day since then. It's should be evident that whatever needs to happen is not a 1 day fix.



What is your estimate of the time scale we are talking about? I have seen no concrete info either from Ukyo or Danny whether we are talking about days, weeks, months or years. Is there anything out there that I missed?

from IRC november 27:

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[01:48] <dexX7> hm.. let's use timeframe 0-2 weeks, 2-6 weeks, 6-more weeks?
[01:48] <@Ukyo> CuWireBeard: at this point, I would ask that until the next big announcement is made that we wait and see how that turns out Smiley
[01:49] <@Ukyo> i dunno 3~4 ?
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December 03, 2013, 07:45:48 PM
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from IRC november 27:

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[01:48] <dexX7> hm.. let's use timeframe 0-2 weeks, 2-6 weeks, 6-more weeks?
[01:48] <@Ukyo> CuWireBeard: at this point, I would ask that until the next big announcement is made that we wait and see how that turns out Smiley
[01:49] <@Ukyo> i dunno 3~4 ?
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So we're facing another holiday where he can make more excuses, which makes it 4-6 weeks. That's absolutely unacceptable.
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December 03, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
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The excuse was holidays, now they are over what is the next excuse? This is getting ridiculous

They couldn't proceed with whatever they needed to do because of the holidays. We have had a whole 1 US working day since then. It's should be evident that whatever needs to happen is not a 1 day fix.


... and how much of last week was holidays ...

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December 03, 2013, 10:52:24 PM
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Just because you've stolen a few million bucks doesn't mean you shouldn't get to take a few weeks off for thanksgiving and then a few months for christmas.  Everyone needs a break, be reasonable.



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December 03, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
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So what was this resolution process? All we know is that Neo & Bee are involved in this mess somehow now.

This is pretty piss poor management of the issue. I know that my outlook of Neo & Bee has dropped significantly as a result of this.
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December 03, 2013, 11:00:32 PM
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So what was this resolution process? All we know is that Neo & Bee are involved in this mess somehow now.

This is pretty piss poor management of the issue. I know that my outlook of Neo & Bee has dropped significantly as a result of this.
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December 03, 2013, 11:02:29 PM
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So what was this resolution process? All we know is that Neo & Bee are involved in this mess somehow now.

This is pretty piss poor management of the issue. I know that my outlook of Neo & Bee has dropped significantly as a result of this.

We need to make an offering/sacrifice to the Neo gods who will then either grant our wish of BTC or smite us from above.
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December 03, 2013, 11:03:30 PM
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So what was this resolution process? All we know is that Neo & Bee are involved in this mess somehow now.

This is pretty piss poor management of the issue. I know that my outlook of Neo & Bee has dropped significantly as a result of this.

I really don't understand this mindset. We have a shitty situation and now have an established company stepping in to try and help resolve the issues. I've asked this before of people voicing similar opinions, but what more do you want? The fact of the matter is, people aren't able to get their coins at the moment. No amount of yelling and stomping your feet is going to change that. But then when it's stated that instead of one person (Ukyo) trying to solve the problem, we get an additional company to help as well, this is somehow seen as a negative?

If Neo & Bee somehow manage to lose more coins as a result of stepping in, then you'd have a case. But in literally any other scenario, their assistance isn't hurting anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.
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December 03, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
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I really don't understand this mindset. We have a shitty situation and now have an established company stepping in to try and help resolve the issues. I've asked this before of people voicing similar opinions, but what more do you want? The fact of the matter is, people aren't able to get their coins at the moment. No amount of yelling and stomping your feet is going to change that. But then when it's stated that instead of one person (Ukyo) trying to solve the problem, we get an additional company to help as well, this is somehow seen as a negative?

If Neo & Bee somehow manage to lose more coins as a result of stepping in, then you'd have a case. But in literally any other scenario, their assistance isn't hurting anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.

I don't understand what you don't understand. Nobody doubts that the chances of salvaging some btc from WeEx got higher by Neo & Bee stepping in. What people are worried about is how this will affect Neo&Bee. All people see is that Ukyo lost a lot of btc and then Neo&Bee steps in to try and save the situation. It is very hard to imagine that this can be done without actually spending some Neo&Bee funds. What this will buy them in the long run is not at all clear at the moment.
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December 03, 2013, 11:42:42 PM
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I really don't understand this mindset. We have a shitty situation and now have an established company stepping in to try and help resolve the issues. I've asked this before of people voicing similar opinions, but what more do you want? The fact of the matter is, people aren't able to get their coins at the moment. No amount of yelling and stomping your feet is going to change that. But then when it's stated that instead of one person (Ukyo) trying to solve the problem, we get an additional company to help as well, this is somehow seen as a negative?

If Neo & Bee somehow manage to lose more coins as a result of stepping in, then you'd have a case. But in literally any other scenario, their assistance isn't hurting anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.

I don't understand what you don't understand. Nobody doubts that the chances of salvaging some btc from WeEx got higher by Neo & Bee stepping in. What people are worried about is how this will affect Neo&Bee. All people see is that Ukyo lost a lot of btc and then Neo&Bee steps in to try and save the situation. It is very hard to imagine that this can be done without actually spending some Neo&Bee funds. What this will buy them in the long run is not at all clear at the moment.

My speculation is that they're hoping for it to play out like the Internet Credit Union with Bitfloor. Imagine at the end of this if every person hoping to get paid back from WeEx has to open an account with NeoBee in order to claim funds.  Pick up a massive user base right off the bat.
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December 04, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
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I really don't understand this mindset. We have a shitty situation and now have an established company stepping in to try and help resolve the issues. I've asked this before of people voicing similar opinions, but what more do you want? The fact of the matter is, people aren't able to get their coins at the moment. No amount of yelling and stomping your feet is going to change that. But then when it's stated that instead of one person (Ukyo) trying to solve the problem, we get an additional company to help as well, this is somehow seen as a negative?

If Neo & Bee somehow manage to lose more coins as a result of stepping in, then you'd have a case. But in literally any other scenario, their assistance isn't hurting anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.

I don't understand what you don't understand. Nobody doubts that the chances of salvaging some btc from WeEx got higher by Neo & Bee stepping in. What people are worried about is how this will affect Neo&Bee. All people see is that Ukyo lost a lot of btc and then Neo&Bee steps in to try and save the situation. It is very hard to imagine that this can be done without actually spending some Neo&Bee funds. What this will buy them in the long run is not at all clear at the moment.

My speculation is that they're hoping for it to play out like the Internet Credit Union with Bitfloor. Imagine at the end of this if every person hoping to get paid back from WeEx has to open an account with NeoBee in order to claim funds.  Pick up a massive user base right off the bat.

This would be the quickest way to destroy their own reputation I think. Neobee should have never got involved with this mess especially when investors gave them funds to operate their business not bailout bitcoin failures.
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December 04, 2013, 12:31:57 AM
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You don't know what neo's role in this is.

I suggest you wait and see rather than jump to conclusions.
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December 04, 2013, 12:36:18 AM
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You don't know what neo's role in this is.

I suggest you wait and see rather than jump to conclusions.
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