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December 31, 2013, 01:15:51 AM
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Ukyo, cant sign the message. Already messaged u,please reply,thx.
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December 31, 2013, 03:43:12 AM
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Ukyo
I still have $AUD stuck in my VERIFIED weex account. Why won't you fix that? Why don't you answer PMs?
Whatever happened to the BTC, there is zero excuse for not returning my $AUD.

Did you put in an AUD withdraw request?

Also, I triple checked. There are no PM's from you.
If you are here to troll and stir up trouble, there is nothing to gain from it.

AUD withdraws are just fine.

-Ukyo

Whenever I try to put in a  AUD withdraw request it says I have no verified bank account, but I have supplied all ID (125 points worth, my status is verified) and the bank account no. is listed (twice).  Is the process of verifying a bank account different to verifying the weex account? If so, why? and where does it explain that? Regardless I am not sending any more personal information. You had enough to take my money, you have enough to give some of it back.
I sent you a personal message on Dec 17, and have just resent. I have also put in a support ticket on Weex. Tom (bitstrange) sent me the following message on Dec 13.

Ukyo says try again. Graet has had a look at you account and apparently it should work now. PM if it still doesnt work and il do my best to help you communicate to him

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But nothing changed (and I don't know what account Graet looked at - I never made the name public?).

I am certainly not trolling - I have far better things to do than spend time on internet fora- I am only here because I want my money (& BTC) back. It annoys the crap out of me that I have to join and follow a forum to get any information or the possibility of customer support from a business like Weex / Bitfunder.
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December 31, 2013, 03:56:30 AM
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Whenever I try to put in a  AUD withdraw request it says I have no verified bank account, but I have supplied all ID (125 points worth, my status is verified) and the bank account no. is listed (twice).  Is the process of verifying a bank account different to verifying the weex account? If so, why? and where does it explain that? Regardless I am not sending any more personal information. You had enough to take my money, you have enough to give some of it back.
I sent you a personal message on Dec 17, and have just resent. I have also put in a support ticket on Weex. Tom (bitstrange) sent me the following message on Dec 13.

Ukyo says try again. Graet has had a look at you account and apparently it should work now. PM if it still doesnt work and il do my best to help you communicate to him

Tom
Neo & Bee

But nothing changed (and I don't know what account Graet looked at - I never made the name public?).

I am certainly not trolling - I have far better things to do than spend time on internet fora- I am only here because I want my money (& BTC) back. It annoys the crap out of me that I have to join and follow a forum to get any information or the possibility of customer support from a business like Weex / Bitfunder.

Then you should complain to the forums admin because I checked again and there is no PM received from "bitpeedoff" on Dec 17th.
No additional information is needed for approving a bank account. Just the bank details. I got your PM from today with all the info I need to check into this.

-Ukyo

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WeExchange - AUD (Direct Bank Transfers), CAD (Interac), USD BTC Exchange & Options Trading
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December 31, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
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Ukyo cant sign the message to my bitcoin address. Already messaged you, please contact me immediately!!!
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December 31, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
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Ukyo cant sign the message to my bitcoin address. Already messaged you, please contact me immediately!!!

And? If he had access to these addresses he most probably had paid out the bitcoins there.

But is there a list of deposit addresses from weexchange? If we know a couple of these addresses then we know the bitcoins are still there or not. So they are either taken away or ukyo cant access them anymore.

I make the start. My deposit address at weexchange and bitfunder received bitcoins from me on 26.10.13 the last time. All is gone.
In the order of where the most bitcoins went to:
1KMm...ynvg
1BDt...Q3BU
1H9d...FTGR
16LD...pBmW
1E4L...QUrf
1Bbk...uYef

Nearly all went to the first address.

Anyone has still bitcoins at their weexchange deposit address?
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January 01, 2014, 12:59:18 AM
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SebastianJu: You are misunderstanding him. He is talking about claiming his AM shares which has nothing to do with weex.
kirawei's exact problem is that he a while back entered a public bitcoin address on bitfunder which he didn't have the private key to. Now that the claim portal is finally ready, the option to change the public bitcoin address on Bitfunder has been removed. (probably to avoid problems while making the shareholder list for the issuers)
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January 01, 2014, 03:48:36 AM
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So ... if there was a legal gag order ... and Ukyo has told the crypto "I know what is going on" guy, what happened ... and that has been stated here on the forum ... then Ukyo has broken the gag order and is also up on charges of doing that ... or ... ?

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January 01, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
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UKYO: I have some GRATE.LOAN in BF, what shall I do with it ?
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January 01, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
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UKYO: I have some GRATE.LOAN in BF, what shall I do with it ?

He will create a portal for the loans soon.

<des`> Ukyo, so, is AM claim portal done? Will you work on ukyo.loan portal now?
<Ukyo> des`: just as soon as I am done with fixing the stupid bitcoind for weex claims -_-;
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January 01, 2014, 03:16:01 PM
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SebastianJu: You are misunderstanding him. He is talking about claiming his AM shares which has nothing to do with weex.
kirawei's exact problem is that he a while back entered a public bitcoin address on bitfunder which he didn't have the private key to. Now that the claim portal is finally ready, the option to change the public bitcoin address on Bitfunder has been removed. (probably to avoid problems while making the shareholder list for the issuers)

But why is he writing that ukyo cant sign the message to his address? Maybe only strangely written.

Will no one check their deposit address at weexchange if its empy or not? We would be a step further when we knew that the bitcoins in weexchange are gone from the addresses there. Then ukyo dont have the bitcoins anymore instead having no access to them anymore.
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January 01, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
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UKYO: I have some GRATE.LOAN in BF, what shall I do with it ?

He will create a portal for the loans soon.

<des`> Ukyo, so, is AM claim portal done? Will you work on ukyo.loan portal now?
<Ukyo> des`: just as soon as I am done with fixing the stupid bitcoind for weex claims -_-;

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January 01, 2014, 03:51:30 PM
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UKYO: I have some GRATE.LOAN in BF, what shall I do with it ?

Graet.loan is in hands of graet, read here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324

It's up to graet to redeem the bonds and pay dvidends.
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January 01, 2014, 06:16:38 PM
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But why is he writing that ukyo cant sign the message to his address? Maybe only strangely written.
He missed a comma.. His issue was quite clear when he explained it on IRC. He is communicating with Ukyo now btw: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148827.msg4243367#msg4243367

Will no one check their deposit address at weexchange if its empy or not? We would be a step further when we knew that the bitcoins in weexchange are gone from the addresses there. Then ukyo dont have the bitcoins anymore instead having no access to them anymore.
This proofs nothing. My deposits were moved as well .. in June.
It is just how exchanges handles their wallets. I know for sure that MtGox does the same thing with the deposit addresses. What you see is the the transferring to/from cold storage combined with mixing and other safety measures.
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January 01, 2014, 06:49:37 PM
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Will no one check their deposit address at weexchange if its empy or not? We would be a step further when we knew that the bitcoins in weexchange are gone from the addresses there. Then ukyo dont have the bitcoins anymore instead having no access to them anymore.
This proofs nothing. My deposits were moved as well .. in June.
It is just how exchanges handles their wallets. I know for sure that MtGox does the same thing with the deposit addresses. What you see is the the transferring to/from cold storage combined with mixing and other safety measures.

I know that these wallets are different. The deposit address i used will be used to pay withdraws from others and so on. It doesnt look like the bitcoins are collected in another address in the meanwhile.

So if everyone looks at their deposit address and there are still bitcoins or there are no bitcoins anymore then this should say something.

Or will you say the bitcoins are forwarded to different other addresses that ukyo still owns but in a way that one cant tell anymore that its ukyo's address?
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January 01, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
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I know that these wallets are different. The deposit address i used will be used to pay withdraws from others and so on. It doesnt look like the bitcoins are collected in another address in the meanwhile.

So if everyone looks at their deposit address and there are still bitcoins or there are no bitcoins anymore then this should say something.

Or will you say the bitcoins are forwarded to different other addresses that ukyo still owns but in a way that one cant tell anymore that its ukyo's address?
Well the last transfer from my deposit address (which is now empty) was in August. Every transfer (I saw) were to addresses which at least used to have a lot of activity. Too much activity to be individuals imo, so probably weex or other exchanges. Some of these addresses still contains substantial amounts.

My personal guess is that Ukyo is still in control of the coins but he isn't allowed to use them.
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January 01, 2014, 10:16:45 PM
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I know that these wallets are different. The deposit address i used will be used to pay withdraws from others and so on. It doesnt look like the bitcoins are collected in another address in the meanwhile.

So if everyone looks at their deposit address and there are still bitcoins or there are no bitcoins anymore then this should say something.

Or will you say the bitcoins are forwarded to different other addresses that ukyo still owns but in a way that one cant tell anymore that its ukyo's address?
Well the last transfer from my deposit address (which is now empty) was in August. Every transfer (I saw) were to addresses which at least used to have a lot of activity. Too much activity to be individuals imo, so probably weex or other exchanges. Some of these addresses still contains substantial amounts.

My personal guess is that Ukyo is still in control of the coins but he isn't allowed to use them.

Maybe if everyone is posting the addresses where the bitcoins went to we can find out where the addresses belong to? To other exchanges or whatever...

*sigh* multiplied 100
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January 02, 2014, 01:01:28 AM
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Looks like ukyo spoke a bit more in #activemining:
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(01:25:33) shabba: i don't understand why this is all still so secret
(01:25:39) shabba: NDA should be lifted by now
(01:27:15) Ukyo: most NDA's don't have timeline restrictions.
(01:27:29) Ukyo: Usually stand in place until all concerned parties are in agreement.
(01:28:09) Sebastan: Ukyo... how long will your NDA stay? :)
(01:28:49) Ukyo: I have many NDA's throughout my life. hehe
(01:29:41) Sebastan: what about the weexchange one?
(01:29:49) Ukyo: There are many. :)
(01:30:01) Ukyo: And still, I would not be able to say.
(01:30:09) Ukyo: That is generally part of an NDA. :)
(01:30:13) kleeck0: If you're into UFC or orthopedic repair you might find this interesting: http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-dr-sanders-breakdown
(01:30:21) WildFire_ca: So who ever is mining at that pool addy has been mining since the 7th of Dec. https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
(01:30:22) ActiveBot: Title: Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info
(01:31:31) Sebastan: *sigh* i think ill try the lawyer way then and hopefully get more info that way ukyo...
(01:31:51) shabba: and they aren't moving funds around either…all the BTC has been mined is still in that address
(01:31:51) Ukyo: You must do what you feel you must.
(01:32:16) Ukyo: Plesae keep in mind that sometimes even lawyers alone can not change things.
(01:32:24) saulimus [~someone@37-219-33-138.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:32:41) WildFire_ca: 245.29 Th/s  is 10 of our machines..
(01:33:04) Ukyo: Sebastan: I would love to tell everyone everything, it would get a lot of pressure off of my back.
(01:33:20) WildFire_ca: Its probley someone who bought 10 of our machines   FFS
(01:33:27) Ukyo: This has been a huge pain in the ass however it is the only real option moving forward.
(01:33:36) Sebastan: so you say i wouldnt know more with the lawyer? not even when i would sue you? (What i dont plan yet...)
(01:34:05) Ukyo: Sebastan: A lawyer contacting my lawyer would not allow you any information not already available.
(01:34:27) Ukyo: If it was as easy as providing to your lawyer, then it would be the same as providing it to all.
(01:34:58) Ukyo: There is no special kind of lawyer to lawyer relationship
(01:35:04) Ukyo: and even if there was, it would not extend to you.
(01:35:12) WildFire_ca: That is why you go to discovery
(01:35:21) Ukyo: Yes, you must go into a full lawsuite.
(01:35:27) Ukyo: *-e
(01:35:42) Sebastan: so what would happen if i sue you? surely then the problems have come to light?
(01:35:54) Ukyo: And then ask the Judge for special permission to get access to the information.
(01:36:10) Ukyo: That depends on the Judge.
(01:36:20) Ukyo: And what the judge is capable of / willing to do
(01:36:31) Ukyo: Please keep in mind, sueing me personally wont get you anything
(01:36:35) Ukyo: except a dismissed case.
(01:36:53) Ukyo: Your issue would be with WeExchange Australia, the corporation
(01:37:04) Ukyo: And you have to sue for damages, not information.
(01:38:12) Ukyo: At this point in time, no matter what amount a judge awarded you, and regardless of you learning the reason, the outcome would result in WeExchange filing bankruptsy, paying out pretty much nothing since nothing is left, and the end to any possible chance of WeExchange Australia being able to correct the situation.,
(01:38:18) Ukyo: on a going forward basis.
(01:38:18) WildFire_ca: All you do is file  bring the case to discovery and then based on what you find you either drop the case or proceed.
(01:38:20) Ukyo: Thats all there is to it.
(01:38:42) Ukyo: As has been said before. I could throw my hands up in the air, say screw it, and leave everyone in a heavy lurch
(01:39:05) Ukyo: Or, I can do the right thing, and press on with the expectation of correcting things.
(01:39:09) Ukyo: Your choice. Not mine.
(01:39:12) Ukyo: As you clearly stated.
(01:39:30) auto2nr1_: ukyo, you should do the right thing =)
(01:39:35) auto2nr1_: how come its taking so long
(01:39:44) auto2nr1_: how much longer do you think for you to correct this situation?
(01:39:44) Ukyo: It only takes 1 individual to force things the company into bankruptsy.
(01:40:01) Ukyo: auto2nr1: Dont know yet. I don't have the ansers. If I did I would have give them out.
(01:40:08) Ukyo: answers*
(01:40:24) WildFire_ca: Holy crap Ken loged on to BTCtalk today.. THERE IS A GOD
(01:40:28) Sebastan: you know... lets assume someone lost money... a judge gave a gag order and claimed you cant pay out bitcoins that might belong to someone other... if i dont sue then the other person would get my bitcoins because he sued and not iam... thats what i fear... but you sound like there are no bitcoins anymore. they arent held back by any government for a sueing person...
(01:40:46) Ukyo: Sebastan: thats not how it works.
(01:40:52) Ukyo: a. theres nothing for someone else to get mroe than you
(01:41:08) Ukyo: b. the company would file for bankrupsty before a conclusion to your case
(01:41:19) Ukyo: this throwing out any decision by a judge
(01:41:27) Ukyo: as all debtors would have to be handled equally.
(01:41:38) Ukyo: which is next to nothing.
(01:41:51) Ukyo: or technicalyl nothing, since there is no profit
(01:41:56) Ukyo: and all costs come out of pocket currently
(01:42:07) Ukyo: Weex has never charged you, or anyone else a fee
(01:42:17) Ukyo: at least, nothing of any quantitative value
(01:42:58) Ukyo: Because of this, any lawsuit would instnatly put the company into foreclosure because there are no funds available to defend a company that has nothing.
(01:43:02) WildFire_ca: Are you still talking with NeoB.. Or have you finished dealing with them and the balls in there court now?
(01:43:11) Ukyo: I am still working with NeoB
(01:43:16) WildFire_ca: cool
(01:43:21) Ukyo: But thinigs do not work on bitcoin time in the real world
(01:43:28) Ukyo: Esp. during the holidays,
(01:43:35) WildFire_ca: Very true
(01:43:44) Sebastan: sounds like there are no bitcoins held back. but if they are stolen it doesnt make sense to be quiet about it since the thieve knows already what he did. if you made an error and lost the keys... sounds unlikely then keeping silent means nothing too... dont understand this...
(01:43:52) Ukyo: Sebastan: "held back" ?
(01:43:54) Ukyo: there is nothign to hold back
(01:43:58) Ukyo: We have distributed what we could
(01:44:02) Ukyo: there was no "profits"
(01:44:06) Ukyo: you were charged no "fees"
(01:44:42) WildFire_ca: Unless your Cointerra,, those bitches packaged there chips during Xmas
(01:44:47) Sebastan: ok... but the user bitcoins should be there regardless of fees or profits... the assumption would be a government seized them. but it sounds like there simply is nothing seized
(01:45:16) Ukyo: That is your interpretation.
(01:45:28) shabba: Sebastan are you referring to bitfunder or weexchange? ukyo is saying weex has no BTC
(01:45:30) Ukyo: At this time I am not giving any details on the funds.
(01:45:41) shabba: but they could possibly be under the company of bitfunder
(01:46:00) Sebastan: shabba... bitfunder never had bitcoins at all. the bitcoins were stored in weexchange in reality...
(01:46:04) Ukyo: shabba: weex held all bitcoins for bitfunder. Bitfunder transfered control all bitcoins except for a small amount to weexchange accounts. Bitfudner has no bitcoins or control of any
(01:46:21) shabba: I don't have anything in this
(01:46:28) shabba: but sounds like you're in some deep shit lol
(01:46:30) shabba: good luck yall
(01:46:34) Ukyo: Very much so.
(01:46:38) Ukyo: It stinks.  badly.
(01:46:44) Sebastan: *sigh* If its really a gag order i want to kick the inventor in the nuts very hard
(01:46:59) Ukyo: But I am trying to make the most of it and get people taken care of to the best of my ability.
(01:47:05) Ukyo: As long as the people will let me.
(01:47:35) Ukyo: But once it is taken out of my hands, there is nothing left for me to do to make things right.
(01:47:42) WildFire_ca: I think most of all everyone wants a positive outcome.
(01:47:52) Ukyo: Which is why we ask people to be patient.
(01:48:38) Sebastan: I wonder how long that will work...
(01:48:59) Ukyo: well, the alternative is nothing at this point.
(01:49:20) Ukyo: You have said yourself
(01:49:26) Ukyo: that the addresses are empty.
(01:49:29) Evolyn__ [~Evolyn@p4FDCFF4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:49:32) chairforce1 [48c88378@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.200.131.120] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:49:37) Sebastan: You dont want to work off the bitcoins that you owe dont you?
(01:49:44) Ukyo: I do.
(01:49:51) Ukyo: And I will use everythign at my disposal
(01:49:55) Ukyo: to make up for things in the mean time
(01:50:14) Sebastan: if weexchange dies and there is a gag order and seized bitcoins then only weexchange would be lost... i dont really see why weexchange is needed in there...
(01:50:33) Ukyo: thats because of your limited understanding of the situation.
(01:50:38) Ukyo: and how things work.
(01:50:38) Sebastan: if you want to work off then it sounds like you did an error...
(01:50:53) Ukyo: or I simple want it resolved.
(01:50:53) Sebastan: or to buy time
(01:50:57) Ukyo: And keep my reputation
(01:51:02) kleeck0: Ukyo, you can come clean my kitchen for 1000BTC
(01:51:10) Ukyo: kleeck0: deal
(01:51:13) kleeck0: :P
(01:51:17) Ukyo: I'll get Ken to help
(01:51:17) Ukyo: :P
(01:51:29) Ukyo: Mebbe ask SAM if hes interested.
(01:51:33) kleeck0: :P
(01:51:34) Ukyo: Then I can sit back and "manage" :P
(01:51:44) kleeck0: And Alberto
(01:51:49) Ukyo: same thing :P
(01:51:54) kleeck0 hat den Raum verlassen ("Leaving").
(01:52:05) kleeck0 [~kleeck2@c-50-151-121-65.hsd1.in.comcast.net] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:52:12) kleeck0: and the tatti duo
(01:52:20) JimJones [~warflute@a85-139-192-199.cpe.netcabo.pt] hat den Raum betreten.
(01:52:23) kleeck0: also nefario
(01:52:25) JimJones: y0
(01:52:33) WildFire_ca: lol
(01:52:47) Ukyo: does nefario still owe ppl?
(01:53:00) kleeck0: I think
(01:53:02) Ukyo: thought he paid most ppl off
(01:53:10) Evolyn_ hat den Raum verlassen (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
(01:53:20) Ukyo: (not that I am defending him)
(01:53:35) Ukyo: But in some ways, I can understand why he did what he did.
(01:54:06) Sebastan: anyway... thanks for writing uky
(01:54:09) Sebastan: ukyo
(01:54:36) Ukyo: Sebastan: i really wish I could do more right now
(01:54:51) Ukyo: but if things are to work out fully for everyone, I am very limited on things.
(01:55:20) Sebastan: i really hope the mystery is as big as you make it... :)
(01:55:34) Ukyo: Depends on point of view probably.
(01:56:25) Ukyo: But the point is to make good on things as soon as its possible. If something happens that allows it all to be cleared up sooner, all the better
(01:56:56) JimJones: wasn't ken suposed to make a fucking weekly report today?
(01:57:04) chairforce1: YUP
(01:57:05) Ukyo: JimJones: good luck on that.
(01:57:21) JimJones: Ukyo, good luck on your getting ur shares
(01:57:28) Ukyo: Sebastan: I was mentioning the other day. Its a known fact I personally hold some ActM shares.
(01:57:39) Ukyo: I have been in consideraiton of selling those for distribution to weex users.
(01:58:07) chairforce1: what price would u sell them at?
(01:58:37) Ukyo: Honestly, I have no idea at this point. First have to make it past the issue of Ken.
(01:58:57) Ukyo: They may have to go up for a fair auction
(01:58:59) Sebastan: I would buy for 0.0006btc per share... i wonder how good shares can be sold...
(01:59:02) Sebastan: how many do you have?
(01:59:18) auto2nr1_: yea how many shares do you have ukyo?
(01:59:19) Ukyo: Over 100k.
(01:59:48) Ukyo: I was an original investor. about 100~150 btc worth.
(01:59:58) Sebastan: ok... maybe 100btc if youre lucky... but maybe the price is rising when its traded...
(02:00:01) shaofis [48d6eaca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.72.214.234.202] hat den Raum betreten.
(02:00:22) Ukyo: if Ken actually manages to do somethign with ActM
(02:00:25) Ukyo: it could be worth a notable sum
(02:00:50) Ukyo: but as the days go on, further and futher from the deadlines, with no new deadlines, or inforatiom, that seems less likely
(02:00:55) Sebastan: thats correct... so hopefully he plans to bring share on the exchange when he has very good news. that would be the best for you
(02:01:12) shaofis: Update posted for those who haven't seen
(02:01:33) shaofis: Zero on the listing on an exchange
(02:02:15) Sebastan: i posted the log in bitfunder resolution thread since its an open chat here...
(02:02:28) Ukyo: Thats fine.
(02:02:34) Ukyo: This is a public resource.
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January 02, 2014, 02:00:15 AM
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Now I can't even login to https://weexclaims.weexchange.co to make a partial withdraw. Why???
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Ukyo: As has been said before. I could throw my hands up in the air, say screw it, and leave everyone in a heavy lurch
Ukyo: Or, I can do the right thing, and press on with the expectation of correcting things.
Ukyo: Your choice. Not mine.

Don't make him have to hurt you, bro.
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Just the fact that I have not given up with everything and trying to do everything I can to make things right as soon as possible.

Happy new year all, let's try to make it so.

-Ukyo

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Just the fact that I have not given up with everything and trying to do everything I can to make things right as soon as possible.

Happy new year all, let's try to make it so.

-Ukyo


Happy New Year.  Hope it does resolve soon and thank you for resolving the Asicminer PT shares.

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