[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

[Newar]

As i read it, we only seem to be waiting for Jon to agree terms with Danny (Neo & Bee)....



"I haven't touched anything from a technical standpoint, I'm not sure who Andreas A is to be honest. If it is Andreas Antonopolous then I would be surprised as he hasn't mentioned anything to me about helping Ukyo. I am trying in my spare time (of which I have very little of) to give Ukyo a helping hand with achieving a workable solution, to ensure he can pay everyone back and once complete he can pay me back."

No, this was explained before as Danny will wait for his share until everybody else gets theirs. In other words, he's last in the queue.

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[SOSLOVE868]

I have 15 bitcoins or so scammed by him. The thing is I am not in US and it's a fortune to go to where he lives and collect things.

I don't mind to pay the local gangster (or what do you call them in US?) necessary fees to collect for me. I don't know the price in US but if I can get my 15.xx bitcoins back, a 15%-30% commission seems reasonable?

You're full of shit. Sue the fucker. It's been two months with little to no communication. As soon as I have the time I'll go to Texas and start collecting up his assets myself.

For those who lost multiple bitcoins - you're a bunch of pussies waiting this long to do something. I've stabbed people over less money.

You will "collect" it? Im not sure how you will do this. If you want to sue him you are prepared for getting a court decision in months or years? Or should i take your "stabbed" more serious and your some kind of thug? Anyway... i think its nothing behind your loud appearence. You dont have a magic way to get the coins back either.

If I lost 10btc or more from this asshole I wouldn't be sitting on the internet like a dumb pussy contemplating when the thief was going to return what he stole. Usually what I do is go to the persons house and collect. Its called 'personal responsibility'. You call it 'being a thug' because you want your daddy government to do the dirty work for you.

Does Jon Montroll drive a car? Does he have expensive jewelry? A computer? I would take anything and everything to compensate for my losses.

nice name !~!

[cryptoanarchist]

I think it's more ethical to get the funds back yourself rather than having the government do it. After all, it's pretty much the same thing, except that the government itself is funded with stolen funds.

Although, I think it would be less thug-like to hire a PI to confront Ukyo to find out what happened and determine his assets.

I mentioned this idea like 10 pages of whining ago. I will chip in for this.

Can someone find a pic of the guy? I think having a PI post his pic and detailed info here, as well as making a personal visit, will do wonders for Jon's attitude.

[stereotype]

As i read it, we only seem to be waiting for Jon to agree terms with Danny (Neo & Bee)....



"I haven't touched anything from a technical standpoint, I'm not sure who Andreas A is to be honest. If it is Andreas Antonopolous then I would be surprised as he hasn't mentioned anything to me about helping Ukyo. I am trying in my spare time (of which I have very little of) to give Ukyo a helping hand with achieving a workable solution, to ensure he can pay everyone back and once complete he can pay me back."

No, this was explained before as Danny will wait for his share until everybody else gets theirs. In other words, he's last in the queue.

Yep, i get that and thats fine, but i was just trying to establish where the ball was, now. Its not in Danny's court. He appears ready and waiting to carry out whatever they discussed in Cyprus. So we are waiting for......? 

[stereotype]

One of Jon's ex clients, breaking cover!..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4664267#msg4664267

[Newar]

Yep, i get that and thats fine, but i was just trying to establish where the ball was, now. Its not in Danny's court. He appears ready and waiting to carry out whatever they discussed in Cyprus. So we are waiting for......? 

TF to return the coins? Your guess is as good as anyone else's. Except maybe for those mysterious ones that know all about it, but don't come forward.

[WeexUser]

Can someone find a pic of the guy?

As I mentioned earlier Jon is far from anonymous. I personally managed to find a few somewhat blurry and old(2002) pictures of Jon.
Including one where Jon has a cat on his head He even confirmed it was him on IRC.

One of Jon's ex clients, breaking cover!..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4664267#msg4664267

Wouldn't Ken get in big trouble if Ukyo indeed has a legit story? (well in any way actually. I don't think it is allowed to steal from even a scammer..)

[stereotype]

One of Jon's ex clients, breaking cover!..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4664267#msg4664267

Wouldn't Ken get in big trouble if Ukyo indeed has a legit story? (well in any way actually. I don't think it is allowed to steal from even a scammer..)

If he actually sold them, i guess he could be in trouble. Looks like good ole fashioned, leverage, and should only be expected as time ticks on, and on....

[CoinFarmer]

PPL hold on - Danny wrote today as below, Ukyo doesn't vanish.

I haven't touched anything from a technical standpoint, I'm not sure who Andreas A is to be honest. If it is Andreas Antonopolous then I would be surprised as he hasn't mentioned anything to me about helping Ukyo. I am trying in my spare time (of which I have very little of) to give Ukyo a helping hand with achieving a workable solution, to ensure he can pay everyone back and once complete he can pay me back.

[SebastianJu]

You're full of shit. Sue the fucker. It's been two months with little to no communication. As soon as I have the time I'll go to Texas and start collecting up his assets myself.

For those who lost multiple bitcoins - you're a bunch of pussies waiting this long to do something. I've stabbed people over less money.

You will "collect" it? Im not sure how you will do this. If you want to sue him you are prepared for getting a court decision in months or years? Or should i take your "stabbed" more serious and your some kind of thug? Anyway... i think its nothing behind your loud appearence. You dont have a magic way to get the coins back either.

If I lost 10btc or more from this asshole I wouldn't be sitting on the internet like a dumb pussy contemplating when the thief was going to return what he stole. Usually what I do is go to the persons house and collect. Its called 'personal responsibility'. You call it 'being a thug' because you want your daddy government to do the dirty work for you.

Does Jon Montroll drive a car? Does he have expensive jewelry? A computer? I would take anything and everything to compensate for my losses.

*lol* I knew when you started writing that you arent the smartest. You tell me that you want to go doing crimes in order to serve your justice. If ukyo is only a bit smart he would call the cops and you go to the police jail.
Sorry, your plan is so dumb... and now i feel dumb that i thought i should ask you... maybe he has a good idea i thought... i should have known it better. When you get scammed you not only lose bitcoins... no, you would even go to jail for a scammer. Now thats a plan.

I think i stop now. I think i made my point.

And he had the funds in weexchange wallet for sure since that wallet contained everything even his private funds.

Okay I smell a strong scent of bullshit here.

Thats not my guess. Thats what ukyo wrote once. He wrote that all his personal bitcoins were in weexchange wallet too. Of course there is no way to proof this.

[glendall]

You got to be kidding me. 

Didn't Ukyo really say he had his private wallet funds in the same wallet as the "safe and secure" deposits into WeExchange?

I'm getting more and more angry at this fuck-face scammer.  I really, really hope he doesn't just walk away from this thievery, this guy is scum.

Once again, will repeat what I said a month ago:  How long are you going to give this scammer?  It's been over 3 months now.  It is completely infeasible that this is a technical problem that he can't solve.  That he can't even tell us what he did to the missing millions is inexcusable.  All the signs look like he was treating everyone's deposits as his personal wallet -- this is just plain thievery.  If you are going to sue, get on it.  Personally I hope he ends up in a ditch somewhere. Having lost my job those funds that he stole from me would have really come in handy, this guy is fucking pond scum.

[SOSLOVE868]

Can someone find a pic of the guy?

As I mentioned earlier Jon is far from anonymous. I personally managed to find a few somewhat blurry and old(2002) pictures of Jon.
Including one where Jon has a cat on his head He even confirmed it was him on IRC.

can u please send me that pic...I do like to call the police as well.

[WeexUser]

<QG> Ukyo; !!!
<QG>
<QG> howdidodi?
<Ukyo> heh sorry
<Ukyo> Got stuck with some cruddy stuff
<Ukyo> I expct i should be more responive again.
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<Ukyo> -_-;;
<nsa__> (´･_･`)
<nsa__> Ukyo, have you finished updating the client, or have you been busy working on other things? (ken, etc)
<Ukyo> its been a tornado of things altely
<Ukyo> lately
<Ukyo> not gong to fight ken
<Ukyo> its not possible
<Ukyo> he will dowahtever he is going to do, i have no control
<nsa__> have there been any good things in the tornado?
<Ukyo> quite a few actually. mostly regarding the loan stuff
<Ukyo> but thats actually helped the weex stuff along
<nsa__> Just to be clear: Were the withdrawal problems since October caused by one issue or multiple issues?
<Ukyo> yes
<Ukyo> first was the bitcoind issue
<Ukyo> whcih still lingers
<Ukyo> but mostly fixed
<Ukyo> then there was another issue that prompted the sudden halt of the withdrwa system
<nsa__> Excactly like I had interpreted the situation, thanks
<Ukyo> if it was just the original issue
<Ukyo> most everyone would have their btc by now
<nsa__> When did you first hear about the "other" issue?
<Ukyo> within 4 hours of disabling withdraws
<Ukyo> and stopping the manual ones
<Ukyo> rahter
<nsa__> date?
<Ukyo> dont recall
<Ukyo> Novemebr.. 15th? or something
<Ukyo> half asleep atm
<Ukyo> so not entirely "all there"
<nsa__> my guess was 18th so it sounds right
<Ukyo> sounds about right
<Ukyo> anywho, its about bedtime
<Ukyo> think up some new questions and well talk again
<nsa__> sure, btw it can't be the 15th since you said "Looking ahead I am expecting to get to or through the 26th today." on the 16th

Note that he said the "its about bedtime"-part almost 2 hours ago. Unless he had an all-nighter he is probably not in the US atm. Australia (where weex is registered) would be a good bet.

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<Ukyo> quite a few actually. mostly regarding the loan stuff
<Ukyo> but thats actually helped the weex stuff along

What are those good things then?

[SebastianJu]

<QG> Ukyo; !!!
<QG>
<QG> howdidodi?
<Ukyo> heh sorry
<Ukyo> Got stuck with some cruddy stuff
<Ukyo> I expct i should be more responive again.
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<Ukyo> -_-;;
<nsa__> (´･_･`)
<nsa__> Ukyo, have you finished updating the client, or have you been busy working on other things? (ken, etc)
<Ukyo> its been a tornado of things altely
<Ukyo> lately
<Ukyo> not gong to fight ken
<Ukyo> its not possible
<Ukyo> he will dowahtever he is going to do, i have no control
<nsa__> have there been any good things in the tornado?
<Ukyo> quite a few actually. mostly regarding the loan stuff
<Ukyo> but thats actually helped the weex stuff along
<nsa__> Just to be clear: Were the withdrawal problems since October caused by one issue or multiple issues?
<Ukyo> yes
<Ukyo> first was the bitcoind issue
<Ukyo> whcih still lingers
<Ukyo> but mostly fixed
<Ukyo> then there was another issue that prompted the sudden halt of the withdrwa system
<nsa__> Excactly like I had interpreted the situation, thanks
<Ukyo> if it was just the original issue
<Ukyo> most everyone would have their btc by now
<nsa__> When did you first hear about the "other" issue?
<Ukyo> within 4 hours of disabling withdraws
<Ukyo> and stopping the manual ones
<Ukyo> rahter
<nsa__> date?
<Ukyo> dont recall
<Ukyo> Novemebr.. 15th? or something
<Ukyo> half asleep atm
<Ukyo> so not entirely "all there"
<nsa__> my guess was 18th so it sounds right
<Ukyo> sounds about right
<Ukyo> anywho, its about bedtime
<Ukyo> think up some new questions and well talk again
<nsa__> sure, btw it can't be the 15th since you said "Looking ahead I am expecting to get to or through the 26th today." on the 16th

Note that he said the "its about bedtime"-part almost 2 hours ago. Unless he had an all-nighter he is probably not in the US atm. Australia (where weex is registered) would be a good bet.

I wonder what ukyo took the bitcoins he received from the loan for. Might it be that he invested it somewhere and get returns now?

Regarding the wallet... the first problems was that bitcoind crashed all the time so he claimed he started manual withdraws. Its mostly fixed he writes. The second issue prompted the sudden halt of withdraw system. Might that be the block-issue? Where bitcoind couldnt load or process a certain block so it stopped in the blockchain?
"most everyone would have their btc by now"... does this mean the bitcoins are still there but cant be accessed because bitcoind cant move on to the last blocks?
I think it only sounds good. If it were that easy ukyo long ago would have started speaking about it. I dont know what to think about this chatlog.

[SebastianJu]

Ukyo... you mentioned 2 problems in the last chatlog. Are those 1) the crashing bitcoind after some time and 2) the block that was blocking the wallet because it couldnt be processed so the wallet was kept at a old state of the blockchain?

If so... are the coins still in the wallet or are they gone like you wrote once in IRC?

[pascal257]

<Ukyo> first was the bitcoind issue

Wow, he still doesn't want to admit that the bitcoind issue was a bold lie.

Edit: Guys, if its an issue with bitcoind, why wouldn't he go ahead and ask for help publicly? That stuff would be fixed within hours/ a couple days. I mean he's highly incompetent, but that would be hilarious.

[WeexUser]

The second issue prompted the sudden halt of withdraw system. Might that be the block-issue? Where bitcoind couldnt load or process a certain block so it stopped in the blockchain?

The block issue is a new separate issue that happened to some bitcoin clients at the end of December and it can not be related to the cause of the withdrawal issues that started in October-November.

• The first issue is bitcoind not being able to handle the huge wallet and restarting. Ukyo started doing the manual withdrawals after being unable to make a quick fix for this problem.
• The second issue is the actual problem. It is the issue that Danny refers to as a "legal issue" that he can't talk about. Ukyo now states that it started around the 15th November. It was also around that date he stopped doing manual withdrawals, stopped writing on the forums for a month, and said on IRC that "shit has hit the fan", so his story matches up perfectly.

I think I just noticed something important in what he said:

<nsa__> When did you first hear about the "other" issue?
<Ukyo> within 4 hours of disabling withdraws
<Ukyo> and stopping the manual ones
<Ukyo> rahter

If this is true it basically debunks the theory that the coins were stolen (by other people than Ukyo at least), since he would obviously not have been able to continue to withdraw coins for 4 hours.

[WeexUser]

Edit: Guys, if its an issue with bitcoind, why wouldn't he go ahead and ask for help publicly? That stuff would be fixed within hours/ a couple days. I mean he's highly incompetent, but that would be hilarious.

He did ask for help publicly.. The answer from the bitcoind devs was that the client wasn't made for wallets of that size.

Edit: And he couldn't easily use another wallet as peope suggested because he had inserted some custom code in his bitcoind client.
He is allegedly now working on migrating his system to use a newer version of the bitcoind client. The newer version of bitcoind does not need his custom code due to a new feature and it fixes the block issue. He don't know yet whether it will also fix the restarting issue.

[cheaptar]

Edit: Guys, if its an issue with bitcoind, why wouldn't he go ahead and ask for help publicly? That stuff would be fixed within hours/ a couple days. I mean he's highly incompetent, but that would be hilarious.

He did ask for help publicly.. The answer from the bitcoind devs was that the client wasn't made for wallets of that size.

Edit: And he couldn't easily use another wallet as peope suggested because he had inserted some custom code in his bitcoind client.
He is allegedly now working on migrating his system to use a newer version of the bitcoind client. The newer version of bitcoind does not need his custom code due to a new feature and it fixes the block issue. He don't know yet whether it will also fix the restarting issue.

First the bitcoind stops bitcoinding so you can't get them pesky bitcoins out, and then bitcoins unbitcoin all by themselves right out of that stubborn bitcoind.
Sometimes it feels like them bits just conspire against Ukyo.