[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

[SebastianJu]

Ukyo did no such thing.

Should your lately use of your username ukyo in the third person worry us?

The things I am working on are not primarily code. That, as you said, would be fast and easy and something solely reliant on my efforts which means I could fulyl control how fast that could happen.
This issue is that we are working with others who have their own schedules and have a todo list that mostly requires previous steps completed before moving onto the next.

And no, Graet is not an owner, just a Director.

And Graet isnt saying anything either. Danny either. Strange.

So its not coding only. It sounds like investigations going on. Maybe a thievery or scam happened and they seized all funds because bitfunder was a grey area anyway.

Didnt you tell them that every bitcoin of these funds belong to the users of weexchange and arent weexchange/bitfunder funds? I wonder if they can seize all funds only because one foul apple was in it.

I read your answer that its quite possible that 2 months arent enough. Since you always claim its out of your range whats happening, you say its something legal and that coding wouldnt be the problem i think it has to be some screwed investigation.

Does weexchange have a legal representation? A lawyer? If so could you send me the address via pm? If its an investigation then you surely need one. I dont say that i will sue you now. But i would try contacting this way.

This all praised forum lawyer didnt get back to me till now. I dont know what this says.

[dnaleor]

I'd not abused you all called you any name, so please respect my questions and tell me something to make me feel better about not being able to afford IVF until my bitcoins are released.

I feel really bad for you bro...

I will purchase some coins from you, maybe that helps a little

[minerpart]

Ukyo's shares are indeed listed at 0.01BTC each on CryptoTrade. The shares are not yet trading, they are expected to go live within a week and most holders are expecting a market price around 0.006.

The shares sure as hell are trading - just 'coz no one wants to buy them doesn't mean they ain't live.  Have you done this before?  You seem too clueless to be real.

*Now that you know you can snap them up at .01 right nao, go go go!

No shares are available to buy on CT atall except Ukyo's (2.3% of the total shares).

Ukyo's shares are fixed-priced well above any previous all time high - so that they do not interfere with early-days trading.

The shares, the other 97.7%, are not trading as they are not yet on CryptoTrade.


You have just said in the ACtM thread that the shares have not been out on an exchange and we can't trade them and probably never will be able to.
You can't have your cake and eat it.

[minerpart]

Ukyo sold the coins on an exchange at what he thought was the top of the market back in October. I've posted on the 'Fall of Uyko' thread about this today. He planned to buy back all the coins plus more for himself at a lower price than he sold for. It was a big big gamble with someone elses money.

Ukyo did no such thing.

Yes he did. And if you are Danny then Danny you have made a serious error getting into this mess.

[EduardoDeCastro]

Ukyo's shares are indeed listed at 0.01BTC each on CryptoTrade. The shares are not yet trading, they are expected to go live within a week and most holders are expecting a market price around 0.006.

The shares sure as hell are trading - just 'coz no one wants to buy them doesn't mean they ain't live.  Have you done this before?  You seem too clueless to be real.

*Now that you know you can snap them up at .01 right nao, go go go!

No shares are available to buy on CT atall except Ukyo's (2.3% of the total shares).
[snip]

That's what is being discussed here - Ukyo's shares.  If you wish to discuss the failscam known as Active Mining, there's a containment thread for that.  Here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.8620

[DobZombie]

I'd not abused you all called you any name, so please respect my questions and tell me something to make me feel better about not being able to afford IVF until my bitcoins are released.

I feel really bad for you bro...

I will purchase some coins from you, maybe that helps a little

Thanks buddy!  Every order helps me, and helps the museum

 Im not trying to play the sympathy card here, I just want the players involved here to understand that the money in question isnt just rich bitcoineers play money. 

[cryptoanarchist]

Except that the keys were not lost.

Right. So you stole them. You're such a piece of shit. Save your fuckin excuses because anyone with half a brain knows you used our coins for some personal bullshit. What? Were you behind on your mortgage and cashed out our btc to avoid foreclosure? Gambling debts? Coke and strippers?

Why don't you come clean and tell us what really happened you fucking coward.

[SebastianJu]

Guys... there were a lot of people that wrote how many bitcoins they lost at weexchange. I once suggested posting the deposit addresses everyone had at weexchange. I wanted to see if the bitcoins are still in there or when they moved.

Shortly after i suggested that ukyo wrote me something like "like you saw... the coins are gone" which means to me the coins arent at the deposit addresses and in the wallet anymore. It can be an important clue to know where they went.

When seizing is involved i would await the coins are collected in one place/address. Its different from a normal bank account. Government could hide everything there but the blockchain is publicly visible. Which might give us a hint what happened.

So please post your deposit addresses you had at weexchange, maybe we find out how the coins flew...

I will start here. My deposit address was: 1P7tdTzWhpYoV87L4v4gZwhd6mAnT7fiD4

The address is empty now.

Even though i see letsdice.com appear there... i never used that website. I believe what happened is that this website is sending one satoshi to used addresses because blockchain.info is posting the name of the website then which means advertising for the domain name. So its pretty sure neither iam nor ukyo used the domain in connection with my deposit address.

Ok, when i see what happened with my last deposited bitcoins, around 158BTC, then they were sent to 1KMmWYbWHQjBZY14hXENGXeb5aMyoQynvg and a small part to 1BDtP3xdCQ1Zj1wJDxLPu8mf1uvuspQ3BU

I believe what happened was that ukyo paid out a withdraw request from a weexchange user. The small transaction was a withdraw to a user wallet and the big transactions target is a change address in the weexchange wallet.

Weexchange change addresses then are for example: The big BTC-part was sent then from 1KMmWYbWHQjBZY14hXENGXeb5aMyoQynvg is sent to 1BYrnppD62tj2cn1HD32iD6Bv2t9sTESYH, then to 12Nz2KmzVfnsrCK7HVYzw4LLYp4iQtqU4P, then to 115vYRHjw9uCnXoecs6VzigubMUhmMfcfE, then to 17pgZ4mCRsTwW6D5kHEg92eQM2V9JAUHBS, then to 1GtPbfmp75HvJ2N6r4uRtBozZa3bjJofvw, to 12VTYbiXoRiVKXNyNvrqtAgkAFZewFPAw1, to 1EZmoUo4YorRnNnnyDewHsdBREr6YnMnvm, to 17hPi868CsyvjWHtXjY7NnNbS6QTaDz4FN, to 1Q5JYuxQK5ZmjyAP1CJEJUPU8wUHXByvK3, to 1JxME3VtA9Q4quZHqQFwA6qKdSP1rtVviQ, to 1D2MKZtPs5xZC9cY4fch8msP838KnVgXK9

and and and...

Till there only 6 hours were gone. Every transactions was done like sending the big part to an address and a smaller part. A weexchange change address and a weexchange users address. The last transaction where i can say that its most probably my coin that was sent to a change address of weexchange is here: https://blockchain.info/de/address/1PfERfzUJEr4kxzBxtx49GcF4dM2vfGc52 from octobre the 27th. After that i cant say if it went to a weex user or a weex change address.

So the coins from my deposit were paid out to weexchange users most probably completely.

At least it does not look like the coins were sent to a single address that might be controlled by government. At least not till octobre 27th, 2013.

I hope we can find some interesting things from other users addresses.

Maybe someone has later deposits where ukyo didnt have the time to use the funds to pay withdraws from weexchange users with. So that it is in the timeframe of "manual withdraws" and the "incident".

Lets see if we find something! We should investigate this.

[nyc77]

Ukyo sold the coins on an exchange at what he thought was the top of the market back in October. I've posted on the 'Fall of Uyko' thread about this today. He planned to buy back all the coins plus more for himself at a lower price than he sold for. It was a big big gamble with someone elses money.

Ukyo did no such thing.

So what exactly did he do with the coins instead?

I think if ukyo didnt pay me back in 2 months im sure his "plan" didnt work and i will go the court way... This amount of time surely should be enough to code his solution or whatever he does. If the timeframe went by then im sure he cant solve it.

The things I am working on are not primarily code. That, as you said, would be fast and easy and something solely reliant on my efforts which means I could fulyl control how fast that could happen.
This issue is that we are working with others who have their own schedules and have a todo list that mostly requires previous steps completed before moving onto the next.

And no, Graet is not an owner, just a Director.

So what are the steps and what is the timeline for the whole resolution process? I am sure you can at least briefly outline that for us. If not, why? Please take the time to answer this for each step.

Ukyo?

[tomywomy]

Guys... there were a lot of people that wrote how many bitcoins they lost at weexchange. I once suggested posting the deposit addresses everyone had at weexchange. I wanted to see if the bitcoins are still in there or when they moved.

....

Lets see if we find something! We should investigate this.

Well, you prompted me to investigate and I found something I don't understand just a few transactions away from my deposit to weexchange on June 7th.

Look at this:

https://blockchain.info/address/16kKtG4v576JLkJ1awySuxeS1W5EEXFJ1w

Here is a wallet that received 75.53 BTC on June 8th in one transaction and spent 85.53 BTC the next day. 

Can anyone explain this?

[Choroid Plexus]

Yeah. Simple explanation. 16kKtG4v576JLkJ1awySuxeS1W5EEXFJ1w was not the only input into that 85.53 BTC transaction. See here: https://blockchain.info/tx/93db488fd8bcf51d26e5517b06205345f8b725ec178f76ee27a46c346942bfef

[tomywomy]

Yeah. Simple explanation. 16kKtG4v576JLkJ1awySuxeS1W5EEXFJ1w was not the only input into that 85.53 BTC transaction. See here: https://blockchain.info/tx/93db488fd8bcf51d26e5517b06205345f8b725ec178f76ee27a46c346942bfef

thank you.

[kano]

Well - the only interesting thing I found with my 3.175% payout was that tracing it back it came from pool mining.
The 386 BTC payouts were done over and over again to a new address so it takes a while to follow it back but it was easy to see and follow.

[SebastianJu]

Well - the only interesting thing I found with my 3.175% payout was that tracing it back it came from pool mining.
The 386 BTC payouts were done over and over again to a new address so it takes a while to follow it back but it was easy to see and follow.

What about the weexchange deposit address? Anything interesting there?

[MilkyLep]

Well - the only interesting thing I found with my 3.175% payout was that tracing it back it came from pool mining.
The 386 BTC payouts were done over and over again to a new address so it takes a while to follow it back but it was easy to see and follow.

I take it you weren't able to discern which pool it was? Speculation here; maybe it came from Graeme?

[SebastianJu]

Another weexchange deposit address from a user that wants to stay anonymous: 1JvJBF59uxkfMqqBxv5RoNCGS92wAnGewL

[thecoinjournal]

My deposit address: https://blockchain.info/address/1LjXuWRfgY7G3akEspgZxVE5toAKcGMaPj

[sauteedcat]

Mine. https://blockchain.info/address/15GhbQJJJCgrWNz4XjPyBrDbHMgHxPcKi3

[kano]

Well - the only interesting thing I found with my 3.175% payout was that tracing it back it came from pool mining.
The 386 BTC payouts were done over and over again to a new address so it takes a while to follow it back but it was easy to see and follow.

I take it you weren't able to discern which pool it was? Speculation here; maybe it came from Graeme?

Yes, but I can't remember 100% which it was - I think it was BTCGuild
But it wasn't Ozcoin.

[southafricadude]

My deposit address: https://blockchain.info/address/19UQiHUjy26ZDZfQr6S8fTNJzirbGb8nk4