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December 10, 2013, 12:41:07 AM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

In that case we agree.  I'm not suggesting that people should turn to the government that they despise as soon as their unicorn takes a dump.  That's weak.  I'm just pointing out that the cheerleaders, and Danny himself, are provoking people to bring in the law. That's simply stupid -- it only takes one pissed off guy.
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December 10, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
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what people seem to be frustrated at is that for over a month now they have told "there will be an update shortly". It never comes its just the same rubbish "legal reasons"

it needs to be explained in full.

alot of people Graeme Tee and Jon Montroll have ripped off are shareholders in N&B they have to explain themselves to there shareholders what are they doing with these idiots they could bring themselves down and have to explain why it benefits shareholders.

its time for an explanation for take matters in to our own hands people they have had long enough. People on here claiming "i know more but cant say" "this is a good thing" are talking rubbish and have been just told enough to keep them happy.

As I have said it is time to set a deadline. if they do not meet the deadline. to explain in full what has happened. Then ukyo and gramet im coming for my money.

just like debt collectors im just gonna take what is my value. if you dont have anything to the value i will take it off your family members
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December 10, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
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what people seem to be frustrated at is that for over a month now they have told "there will be an update shortly". It never comes its just the same rubbish "legal reasons"

it needs to be explained in full.

alot of people Graeme Tee and Jon Montroll have ripped off are shareholders in N&B they have to explain themselves to there shareholders what are they doing with these idiots they could bring themselves down and have to explain why it benefits shareholders.

its time for an explanation for take matters in to our own hands people they have had long enough. People on here claiming "i know more but cant say" "this is a good thing" are talking rubbish and have been just told enough to keep them happy.

As I have said it is time to set a deadline. if they do not meet the deadline. to explain in full what has happened. Then ukyo and gramet im coming for my money.

just like debt collectors im just gonna take what is my value. if you dont have anything to the value i will take it off your family members


You've made five posts and in your first (two weeks ago) you said you were unaware of WeExchange and had no funds in it.  Why are you so angry?  Exactly what value would you be collecting?
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December 10, 2013, 04:21:25 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.
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December 10, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins!
Please exclude me from all.

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December 10, 2013, 04:39:20 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

This is such a bullshit anyone who lived through Fulltilt black friday saga (poker room seized by US gov) could tell you about how they will return your money. And that was US dollars not some 10x more challenging crypto currency. I think its close to 4 years now and nobody saw a penny from them and they are just cutting people left and right for most stupid reasons.

I dont want any involvement of government in this as of now.
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December 10, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
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This is such a bullshit anyone who lived through Fulltilt black friday saga (poker room seized by US gov) could tell you about how they will return your money. And that was US dollars not some 10x more challenging crypto currency. I think its close to 4 years now and nobody saw a penny from them and they are just cutting people left and right for most stupid reasons.

I dont want any involvement of government in this as of now.
the SEC shut down an online poker room?

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December 10, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
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Poker is not an investment. The whole thing was quite different and highly political. I worked in the area at the time. It was not pretty.
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December 10, 2013, 07:08:48 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?
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December 10, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.
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December 10, 2013, 07:40:21 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.

Where did you post about this, after they called?
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December 10, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
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the SEC shut down an online poker room?

Actually it was the DOJ and a very, very huge incident.

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Black Friday, April 15, 2011, will go down in the history of poker as the beginning of a new era. The United States Department of Justice charged principals of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker with bank fraud, illegal gambling offenses, and laundering billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds.

This was followed by the seizure of internet domain names used by PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker as well as the freezing of 75 bank accounts utilized by those operators and their payment processors.

Later, all three operators banned American players from their sites and froze their real money accounts. (source)

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December 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
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Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.

Where did you post about this, after they called?

I didn't post about this after they called.
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December 10, 2013, 09:35:21 PM
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I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?
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December 10, 2013, 09:52:34 PM
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I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

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December 10, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions


 
 
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December 10, 2013, 10:12:17 PM
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I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.
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December 10, 2013, 10:13:04 PM
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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.
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December 10, 2013, 10:15:38 PM
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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?
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December 10, 2013, 10:18:13 PM
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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

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