I know Danny personally and I know that he is a well-intentioned person. How can you compare Danny to someone like pirate? Danny is running a legitimate business which has been properly registered with employees working for him and a government supporting him. No one knew pirate's identity until recently and he was running an obvious pyramid scheme.
EDIT: Andreas M. Antonopoulos works for NEO. I don't think that an established person in the Bitcoin Community like him would ever chose to associate let alone work for an organization or a person who is a 'scammer'
+1 although if pyramid schemes were obvious people wouldn't get scammed! I have said the same about tradefortress and yet people still put money in his pot... Then it got stolen and he is still anonymous.
Danny has got in to try and get our money back and was not involved until shortly before he posted. If you can't tell the difference between Neo and pirate or labcoin then you need proper, informed advice from a third party as you're not thinking straight. It doesn't matter what danny gets out of it, if anything, as long as we get a better result than without his involvement.
That's not a criticism of those thinking the worst, it's understandable. I get it, but it's time to move forwards and not by breaking the law yourself. Even making the suggestion of such is putting you in the firing line if something were to happen so I strongly suggest you don't do it.
So hire a lawyer and do things properly rather than sitting on a forum full of people with axes to grind, stirring, or who in your mind could be part of the problem. That doesn't make sense. The solution can only go two ways right now: lawyer or wait a while for Danny to come through.
I posted about the stirring crumbs is doing over in the NEOBEE thread. It's absolutely disgusting and I feel sorry for anyone who is being taken in or stressed out more by that because this is a shocking situation anyway.
What a sad, horrible individual spends his time winding people up who have potentially lost $100,000 dollars, and continually goes for the person who may actually get them back. I didn't know he would stoop this low. That's not trolling, that's inhuman and it's bullying in the most snide way imaginable. I feels sorry for those who don't see it. Crumbs is clever and knows how to push people. He's even happy to piss off and waste the time of the very people trying to get our money back.
For those of you who think he keeps raising good points, well there is really nothing I can say other than you need a lawyer to advise you properly, not an internet troll who thinks you're beneath him and is out for kicks.
Seb - a lawyer won't necessarily get the full story, but a lawyer will be able to speak to danny and will be able to advise you accordingly. Ignore crumbs and his idiotic suggestion that getting a lawyer would be a bad idea. Getting a lawyer is never a bad idea. The action you take once you have a lawyer, that takes more thinking about.
The most important thing if you do engage legal counsel is that they need the public facts, not inferences, and they should speak to Danny. The facts are who said what and when, not what you think those facts mean. Only then can they advise.
I know some people will shout me down for suggesting the actual solution we have to use in the real world, but if you don't know what to do then a lawyer is your answer. If you want to group together to pay then do so. There is a very good lawyer with knowledge of exchanges, securities and the SEC on this very board. Whether appropriate I don't know, but not a bad place to start if you have issues with bitfunder or weexchange.
So be angry with Ukyo for allowing this situation to happen, sure, but not Danny. Even if you are, the solution is still the same. Wait for progress, and no we don't know how long, or get proper legal counsel.
Personally, I'm waiting for Danny's solution because I know long, drawn out legal action would have precious little at the end of it and would be a very long way away. I also doubt its chances of success. But that's just the view from here.
