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May 25, 2011, 01:26:13 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

what would happen if I was solo mining?

You should set up a master that hands out shares to your workers.  That avoids duplication.

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May 25, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

We don't have 4 billion miners yet Cheesy

Uhm ... even if a unit of work is one byte [which it most surely is not that small], that would make a block about 4GB.  I am not sure where you got that number from.

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May 25, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

We don't have 4 billion miners yet Cheesy

Uhm ... even if a unit of work is one byte [which it most surely is not that small], that would make a block about 4GB.  I am not sure where you got that number from.

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May 25, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

what would happen if I was solo mining?

You should set up a master that hands out shares to your workers.  That avoids duplication.

how would i do that?
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May 25, 2011, 02:02:02 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

what would happen if I was solo mining?

You should set up a master that hands out shares to your workers.  That avoids duplication.

how would i do that?

Search the forum or Google is your friend.  It is all there.  Unless you have have a lot of hashing power at your disposal [probably 2+GH/s] I wouldn't even consider it ... and the difficulty is about to go up 66% thanks to all the ding dongs bringing massive hardware online that probably won't pay itself off due to difficulty normalizing the the mining back towards 6Blocks/Hr.

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May 25, 2011, 02:11:05 PM
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Anyone else unable to connect to deepbit?  I'm using Pheonix.

Edit:  Finally connected, just took several tries.
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May 25, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
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I have 2 5850s mining, is it better to crossfire them or just use them as two separate workers?

Also something I dont understand: If I have two separate workers running at the same time, won't they basically be competing against each other and trying to solve the same problem at the same time instead of working together to solve one problem faster?

No, the pool will be giving them different shares to work on [well, most likely anyway, I think the same shares can be given out if there are more workers available for work than there is work in a block].

what would happen if I was solo mining?

You should set up a master that hands out shares to your workers.  That avoids duplication.

how would i do that?

Search the forum or Google is your friend.  It is all there.  Unless you have have a lot of hashing power at your disposal [probably 2+GH/s] I wouldn't even consider it ... and the difficulty is about to go up 66% thanks to all the ding dongs bringing massive hardware online that probably won't pay itself off due to difficulty normalizing the the mining back towards 6Blocks/Hr.

I can't find a single thread that mentions setting up a master that hands out shares to workers... please provide a link or something
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May 25, 2011, 02:49:41 PM
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I found one such in 30 seconds. 

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9565.0

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May 25, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
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that thread mentions nothing about setting up your own "master" to hand out shares to your workers...
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May 25, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
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What does it mean:
25.05.2011 11:21:11   0h 29m    - Invalid - X.XXXXXX
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May 25, 2011, 04:52:23 PM
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I have problems with connection, which U could maybe solve.

Sometimes my router can't connect to random pages ( last one was bitwatch.com). Page is 'unreachable' until I restart my router. This wasn't problem, but few days ago I noticed it also blocks mining since deepbit.net was the 'blocked' page. Today same happened. I have routers firewall turned off, but this doesn't help. Do u have any idea what can I do to solve this?

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May 25, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
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I have problems with connection, which U could maybe solve.
Sometimes my router can't connect to random pages ( last one was bitwatch.com). Page is 'unreachable' until I restart my router.
Do you have any torrent clients in your home network?
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May 25, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
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I have problems with connection, which U could maybe solve.

Sometimes my router can't connect to random pages ( last one was bitwatch.com). Page is 'unreachable' until I restart my router. This wasn't problem, but few days ago I noticed it also blocks mining since deepbit.net was the 'blocked' page. Today same happened. I have routers firewall turned off, but this doesn't help. Do u have any idea what can I do to solve this?

What router?  I highly recommend the D-Link DIR-655 or DIR-855 (I use the latter).  Use DNS Relay and setup on your router to use a DNS that is not your ISP.  Good options are:

Google DNS http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4

OpenDns http://www.opendns.com/
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220

I use Google DNS, but frankly, I wonder about their information gathering these days.  OpenDNS is also very good and you do not have to sign up either, but they also may gather data [and you can actually use this data to monitor activity from your network which uses DNS, if you sign up for a free account].  They are both fantastic, but most of the time, I have found Google DNS to perform just a little better .... far better than Comcast most of the time in spite of the fact that they are out of the ISP network.  Your router should cache by TTL anyway [or memory limits].  If your router does not have this option, then set it up individually on your mining machine, or setup a DNS of your own on one of your mining rigs [especially if you are running linux ... just install bind and learn how to configure it] and point the rest of your machines at it instead.  OpenDNS does have a nice option to use the last known address for a lookup if it fails to find a current one ... thus often keeping you connected when you might otherwise not be.

I am just assuming the issue is DNS related, but it very well could be connectivity related.  Perhaps your ISP is not multi-homed, or it is overloaded; a common problem with QWest DSL using MSN for instance ... which is why most of who I know moved to Comcast or Charter depending upon where they live.

I too have seen these communication errors every now and again and they are only a minute or two in duration and it is usually when Tycho was doing maintenance.  There were some issues with growth awhile back, but I think Tycho has done a decent job of trying to balance the network [appears to be using a basic DNS load balancer which is why I was suggesting DNS ... your ISP may not be honoring the TTL as it should].

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May 25, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
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Both lockups appeared when there was noone at home and nothing else than miner was using network.

Router is Belking F5D7632 ( All I've found on it). Changed DNS and gonna wait for next lockup.

Found out taht installed firmware is from 2005 and newest one from 2007 (but actual version seems to be same). Should I bother to change it?

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May 25, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
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25.05.2011 11:21:11   0h 29m    - Invalid - X.XXXXXX
This block was orphaned by the blockchain. Don't worry, you still received your payment for it.

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May 25, 2011, 06:08:29 PM
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that thread mentions nothing about setting up your own "master" to hand out shares to your workers...

That's because you're a dumbass.  Try reading a bit more and thinking about it.  If that doesn't work maybe you should go ask in a non-deepbit thread about solo mining.  Just a thought, you might get better responses?  (Although it seems like the ones you got have been perfectly acceptable you just aren't noticing the solution right in front of your nose.)
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May 25, 2011, 06:15:47 PM
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Both lockups appeared when there was noone at home and nothing else than miner was using network.

Router is Belking F5D7632 ( All I've found on it). Changed DNS and gonna wait for next lockup.

Found out taht installed firmware is from 2005 and newest one from 2007 (but actual version seems to be same). Should I bother to change it?

I have not had good luck woth Belkin anything, but as always, your mileage may vary.  Is your mining client working over wireless?  G or N?  Does your router show you the signal strength as seen by the router [not as seen by your client machine]?

For instance, my router shows:

Number Of Wireless Clients – 2.4GHz Band: 3
SSID                   MAC Address   IP Address           Mode   Rate               (Mbps)   Signal (%)
MYSSID             xxxxxxxxxxxxx   192.168.1.xxx   802.11g                 54   80
MYSSID               xxxxxxxxxxxxx  192.168.1.xxx   802.11g                 54   82
MYSSID               xxxxxxxxxxxxx  192.168.1.xxx   802.11n (2.4GHz)    108   66   <== one miner is on this machine in the basement
MYSSID5      xxxxxxxxxxxxx  192.168.1.xxx   802.11n (5GHz)         162   64

As you can see, the transfer rates are good.  Testing on my network [tcpdump, nmap, ping, etc] all show a quality connection and all is good.  My Comcast cable connection is almost custom goodness due to Comcast taking a personal interest in getting everything running properly for me since I was a very early adopter of the DOCSIS 3.0 22Mbps/5Mbps service Smiley  Flawless on Comcast's side for months and months.

So, check your router, your network, your DNS, and your connectivity [as well as error rates and signal strength of your cable modem or DSL router (modem) as required].

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May 25, 2011, 06:48:35 PM
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I have been doing some pool jumping lately for testing purposes [still haven't tried BTC Guild or the Eligius].  The main testing I am is with miner performance.  I am only testing with two miners; Phoenix 1.48 and GUIMiner - v2011-05-21.  In particular, I care about stale/invalid shares.  Obviously, slush loses on that since there is no long polling and I did not test that [I recall the number was always over 1% when I used the pool].  However, there has been one big surprise.   Phoenix 1.48 generates a LOT more invalid shares than GUIMiner when using deepbit, but works fabulously with BTCMine for instance.  I am wondering if anybody else has noticed this.  After several thousand shares, I would range between 0.45% and 0.8% [over 2% for for the first thousand shares in the worst case].  I am seeing a high number of these now, so I just switched over to GUIMiner and will let it run and see, but over several attempts, the number of invalid shares has been less than half of what Phoenix is spitting out.  Is there an issue with long polling either with Phoenix or deepbit such that the two don't play well together?  I originally thought it might be the larger faster pool, but then it occurred to me that a long polling message should be pushed at the same rate for all pools.

Any idea why this might be?  Anybody else experience such an issue and willing to do a comparison themselves?

Worth noting is that the share count listed by the pool matches perfectly with the client [although with some pools like BTCMine, you have to wait a bit for the share count catch up on the web page which means you have to stop mining for a bit or use a new worker].  Deepbit makes this type of testing a breeze Smiley  I like Phoenix, because I plan to use it on my linux box when it is up and running [bad mobo ... fixed tomorrow and online this weekend] and I like it's interface.  I may have to use poclbm [which isn't bad mind you], but would prefer Phoenix.

Tycho - are you aware of any issues with Phoenix and deepbit?

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May 25, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
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25.05.2011 11:21:11   0h 29m    - Invalid - X.XXXXXX
This block was orphaned by the blockchain. Don't worry, you still received your payment for it.
Well, I know about payment, but how this thing could happen? It's some kind of "stale" share in the pool, but in bitcoin network, right?
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May 25, 2011, 06:53:35 PM
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What does it mean:
25.05.2011 11:21:11   0h 29m    - Invalid - X.XXXXXX
This block was orphaned by the blockchain. Don't worry, you still received your payment for it.

Something that no other pool does Smiley  Although the number of blocks lost as invalid is pretty small all things considered.  Not sure the actual percentage of total payout affected, but looking at deepbit and other pools, I would say it is pretty rare [probably less than once or twice per week].  Tycho ... any idea?  Anyway, a great feature you offer (necessitated by the instant payout feature I suspect).

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