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Author Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too  (Read 1453046 times)
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May 24, 2011, 12:40:44 PM
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I just noticed something strange.  I have my account set for automatic payment, and I apparently got a payout this morning at 7 AM.  I didn't see it when I turned on the Bitcoin client to check my wallet, though.  I checked the transaction under the Payments page, and when I clicked on it, the block explorer just said "No such transaction".  Is this normal?  Do payments usually take a while to show up anywhere?  Because if not, 3 BTC of mine is in limbo somewhere...
Yes, if your bitcoin client is not online at the time of payment, it can take up to some hours in worst case.
Bitcoin Block Explorer shows your transaction only when it's already included in a block and this block is received by BBE server.

If there is a payment in your payments table - you will receive it.

Have trouble like Nicoli. But in difference I am using "Istant payout"
Where is my bitcoins?
Today my bitcoind was restarted, so a number of payout transactions was not included in pool's own blocks. They will be included by some other miners in up to a few hours.
Please wait.

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May 24, 2011, 12:44:43 PM
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I just noticed something strange.  I have my account set for automatic payment, and I apparently got a payout this morning at 7 AM.  I didn't see it when I turned on the Bitcoin client to check my wallet, though.  I checked the transaction under the Payments page, and when I clicked on it, the block explorer just said "No such transaction".  Is this normal?  Do payments usually take a while to show up anywhere?  Because if not, 3 BTC of mine is in limbo somewhere...
Yes, if your bitcoin client is not online at the time of payment, it can take up to some hours in worst case.
Bitcoin Block Explorer shows your transaction only when it's already included in a block and this block is received by BBE server.

If there is a payment in your payments table - you will receive it.
Thanks for the quick reply, and sorry for sounding a tad paranoid.  I'm still getting used to all things Bitcoin.
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May 24, 2011, 12:45:54 PM
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I wonder whether long polling doesn't work for me. I've got a rather high stale ratio (about 4-5%) and there're always a few rejected shares reported by phoenix just about the time there's a new block solved on DeepBit. E.g. (times are GMT+4)
Hello.
Have you tried to use some other miner like poclbm to see if it's miner of connection problem ?
Do you use some kind of proxy/firewall that can break LP connections ?

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May 24, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
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Hello.
Have you tried to use some other miner like poclbm to see if it's miner of connection problem ?
Do you use some kind of proxy/firewall that can break LP connections ?
I used poclbm with GUIMiner frontend before and it yielded about 2% stale/invalid shares recently (but there're no logs to find out what time these rejected shares were at). I switched to phoenix due to a higher hashing rate of 228 vs 216.
I have standard Win7 firewall and also there's a firewall on my 3COM router, but I don't think they would break LP connections. Anyway, I'm going to turn both off and see if anything changes with the stale shares ratio.
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May 24, 2011, 01:15:23 PM
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I wonder whether long polling doesn't work for me. I've got a rather high stale ratio (about 4-5%) and there're always a few rejected shares reported by phoenix just about the time there's a new block solved on DeepBit.

I've noticed the same, and I'm using phoenix too. It only happens after mining for some time. Looks like phoenix loses the LP connection after a few hours. After restarting, phoenix will show "[24/05/2011 15:09:01] LP: New work pushed" correctly.

Still, the phatk kernel provides a much better hash rate for me, so I just restart phoenix when I notice that there has been no LP for a long time.

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May 24, 2011, 02:16:55 PM
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howdy y'all minin' fools. i want to second the thanks to tycho for the quick responses. i've never seen a forum so well moderated and by only one (?) person! secondly, i'd like to continue my brand-newbian collection of basic info: what is a share and what is its relation to the amount of bitcoins that i've earned? i've finally found some hashes (using a CPUminer) and i think that i've got a share for each hash. is that right? any info will be greatly appreciated. have a kickin' day.

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May 24, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
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Today my bitcoind was restarted, so a number of payout transactions was not included in pool's own blocks. They will be included by some other miners in up to a few hours.
Please wait.

Coins recieved. Tnx.
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May 24, 2011, 02:52:21 PM
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what is a share and what is its relation to the amount of bitcoins that i've earned? i've finally found some hashes (using a CPUminer) and i think that i've got a share for each hash. is that right? any info will be greatly appreciated. have a kickin' day.
The miner's task is to find a special combination of numbers, hash of which will be lower than specified value.
This happens rarely, so miners are submitting not only the winning one but others that are low, but not low enough, so pool can see that you are really trying and not just waiting. Each one of those results is a proof-of-work and we call it a share.
One of those will be low enough to create a new block.

Sorry, not sure if I described it correctly in english :)

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May 24, 2011, 02:56:01 PM
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As a reminder, phatk is still slower than DiabloMiner. Try -v 2 -w 128 or -v 3 -w 128.

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May 24, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
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As a reminder, phatk is still slower than DiabloMiner. Try -v 2 -w 128 or -v 3 -w 128.
-v 2 made 219, -v 3 made 208, while phatk makes 228 Mh/s on my HD6850. What am I doing wrong?
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May 24, 2011, 05:56:27 PM
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Sometimes I see many "long poll: new block" messages within a few minutes of each other.  In the past 30 minutes, there have been 10.  But other times, I won't see a new "long poll: new block" message for 2 or 3 hours. 

Does this mean that Deepbit is sometimes creating blocks faster than 6 minutes, and other times taking 3 hours to create a block?  Does it mean that the entire Bitcoin network is taking 3 hours to find that block?  I thought a new block should be found every 6 minutes, so the 3 hour delay seems surprising.

Ultimately, this affects "Proportional" payout.  If a block is found in 2 minutes and I have submitted 1 share, that share is worth more than the many shares I submit during a 3 hour block creation.  Thanks for any information you can provide.

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May 24, 2011, 06:20:52 PM
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Sometimes I see many "long poll: new block" messages within a few minutes of each other.  In the past 30 minutes, there have been 10.  But other times, I won't see a new "long poll: new block" message for 2 or 3 hours. 

Does this mean that Deepbit is sometimes creating blocks faster than 6 minutes, and other times taking 3 hours to create a block?  Does it mean that the entire Bitcoin network is taking 3 hours to find that block?  I thought a new block should be found every 6 minutes, so the 3 hour delay seems surprising.
"long poll: new block" is shown when block is found by anyone in the bitcoin network, not only by this pool.
And 6 blocks per hour is not a strict value, it can be less or more.[/quote]

Ultimately, this affects "Proportional" payout.  If a block is found in 2 minutes and I have submitted 1 share, that share is worth more than the many shares I submit during a 3 hour block creation.
Yes, it is. But many times you will miss that short block completely, so this "lucky share" will be averaged out to normal value.

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May 24, 2011, 06:29:23 PM
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The variation in block creation speed is surprising.  Today, it has either taken 1 hour or ~4 minutes to find a block.  Not many blocks take 10 to 40 minutes to find.  Seems odd.

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May 24, 2011, 06:37:17 PM
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The variation in block creation speed is surprising.  Today, it has either taken 1 hour or ~4 minutes to find a block.  Not many blocks take 10 to 40 minutes to find.  Seems odd.
6 blocks per hour is the target speed for the entire network.

And the variation is expected, it's almost a random process.

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May 24, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
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thanks for the primer.
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The miner's task is to find a special combination of numbers, hash of which will be lower than specified value. This happens rarely, so miners are submitting not only the winning one but others that are low, but not low enough, so pool can see that you are really trying and not just waiting. Each one of those results is a proof-of-work and we call it a share.
One of those will be low enough to create a new block.
i will write to you what i think i understand from your explanation. please let me know if i miss something. so 1 share = 1 hash found. no all share/hashes are winning, but all demonstrate to the network that i am an honest miner. my miner is working at 1470 khash/s, etc. on coming up with a hash to submit to earn a share. some of these hashes are winning. winning hashes create a block. what is a block?
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Sorry, not sure if I described it correctly in english Smiley

your english is better than my bitcoin-ese. also, i've earned 0.0006 BTC but nothing shows up in the bitcoin program which i gather is my BTC wallet. are payouts only made when i have at least 1 BTC? thanks again.

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May 24, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
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i will write to you what i think i understand from your explanation. please let me know if i miss something. so 1 share = 1 hash found. no all share/hashes are winning, but all demonstrate to the network that i am an honest miner. my miner is working at 1470 khash/s, etc. on coming up with a hash to submit to earn a share. some of these hashes are winning. winning hashes create a block. what is a block?
Well, if you want to know how all the network is constructed, you'd better read bitcoin wiki at http://bitcoin.it
Sorry, it's just already there - about what a block is, what is a difficulty and so on.

With your speed of 1470 kH/s, you'll need 48 minutes and 41 seconds on average to generate one share.
And on average you'll need 244139 shares (=current difficulty) to find one really winning, if you were mining solo.

also, i've earned 0.0006 BTC but nothing shows up in the bitcoin program which i gather is my BTC wallet. are payouts only made when i have at least 1 BTC? thanks again.
You need to earn at least 0.01 BTC, then you can set up autopayment or press "Instant payment" button on the payments page of the site.

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May 24, 2011, 08:34:31 PM
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thanks for the pointers. i was looking for a resource. have a great day.

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May 24, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
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I just switched to phoenix and phatk from guiminer and, for some reason, the deepbit.net "Average speed in last 10 minutes" is much less than the rate that phoenix is reporting. It's been right at 286mhash/sec in phoenix, but the website says 191-220 mhash/sec.

Using guiminer, it'll stay at around 276 mhash/sec and deepbit.net will report right around that same number.

What am I doing wrong?

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May 24, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
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I just switched to phoenix and phatk from guiminer and, for some reason, the deepbit.net "Average speed in last 10 minutes" is much less than the rate that phoenix is reporting. It's been right at 286mhash/sec in phoenix, but the website says 191-220 mhash/sec.
Using guiminer, it'll stay at around 276 mhash/sec and deepbit.net will report right around that same number.
What am I doing wrong?
1. Many users have reported that their hashrate reported by phoenix miner is higher than in reality.
2. Try setting your speed averaging window at deepbit site to 30 or more minutes to check if this hashrate is correct or not.

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May 25, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
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New to Bitcoin as of today.  Initially went with another mining pool for an hour or so but decided to switch to Deepbit to try it out instead.

My account still says unconfirmed email, and have not received an email in the spam folder or otherwise.  How long should I wait to get that before I seek help for it?  Did a search on this forum and didn't come up with anything.

Using Phoenix miner, and it was easy to set up thanks to the people here and the Deepbit site.  Looking forward to gaining from this neat application.  I believe that I will mostly use it to pay for an online game I play (Rift) and for perhaps website hosting or any of the list of things that I've found through the BitCoin site.

Can't believe that a hardcore geek such as myself didn't hear about this until today!  Found it through surfing around on old posts at Lifehacker.

Also, using D:\Programs\BitCoin Miner\phoenix.exe -u http://*@*.*:*@deepbit.net:8332/ -k poclbm DEVICE=0 AGGRESSION=3 as my command line.  I have an Nvidia 550gtx Ti graphics card, so what aggression setting would you use if you were me?  Seems like my speed isn't as fast as some people have here, but I realize that it's only a $200 card and people here probably have ones that are much more expensive.  Smiley

Edit: Going to try this GUI BitCoin application that I just found.  Looks a lot nicer than doing things through the command line.
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