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August 29, 2013, 05:12:01 PM
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I have a question, why is deepbit at 11% of the bitcoin network? the hashrate is very low on the pool site but it shows that deepbit is solving blocks faster than 50btc....

Deepbit doesn't tag any blocks to allow sites to properly identify them.  At the time blockchain.info was designed, the vast majority of blocks with no tag did belong to Deepbit [which was 30-40% of the network at the time].  As a result, there is still some legacy code in there that has an extremely high false positive rate where it credits Deepbit for blocks.  These days, a huge number of blocks showing up as Deepbit actually belong to ghash.io (BitFury).

That that makes sense now that you explain it to me. thanks

is deepbit still around on bitcointalk?
Tycho, posting above, is deepbit.

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August 29, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
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I have a question, why is deepbit at 11% of the bitcoin network? the hashrate is very low on the pool site but it shows that deepbit is solving blocks faster than 50btc....

Deepbit doesn't tag any blocks to allow sites to properly identify them.  At the time blockchain.info was designed, the vast majority of blocks with no tag did belong to Deepbit [which was 30-40% of the network at the time].  As a result, there is still some legacy code in there that has an extremely high false positive rate where it credits Deepbit for blocks.

I agree with the statement from Blockchain reported Deepbit blocks are not all solved by Deepbit. But if there is a piece of code which reports all untaged blocks as Deepbit blocks then we should not see any solominer blocks which is not true. There are also untaged blocks from solominers reported.

My guess is Deepbit is very well connected within the network it's like a supernode and relay only so many blocks fom others with IP addresses which are known as Deepbit IP addresses.

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August 29, 2013, 08:53:32 PM
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I have a question, why is deepbit at 11% of the bitcoin network? the hashrate is very low on the pool site but it shows that deepbit is solving blocks faster than 50btc....

Deepbit doesn't tag any blocks to allow sites to properly identify them.  At the time blockchain.info was designed, the vast majority of blocks with no tag did belong to Deepbit [which was 30-40% of the network at the time].  As a result, there is still some legacy code in there that has an extremely high false positive rate where it credits Deepbit for blocks.

I agree with the statement from Blockchain reported Deepbit blocks are not all solved by Deepbit. But if there is a piece of code which reports all untaged blocks as Deepbit blocks then we should not see any solominer blocks which is not true. There are also untaged blocks from solominers reported.

My guess is Deepbit is very well connected within the network it's like a supernode and relay only so many blocks fom others with IP addresses which are known as Deepbit IP addresses.

Deepbit is on hetzner, they're not anywhere near what would be called a "supernode".  Best guess is there's simply a *huge* number of IPs which blockchain.info automatically assigns as "Deepbit" due to the number of Deepbit blocks that used to be relayed through them frequently.

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August 29, 2013, 10:47:18 PM
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I have a question, why is deepbit at 11% of the bitcoin network? the hashrate is very low on the pool site but it shows that deepbit is solving blocks faster than 50btc....

Deepbit doesn't tag any blocks to allow sites to properly identify them.  At the time blockchain.info was designed, the vast majority of blocks with no tag did belong to Deepbit [which was 30-40% of the network at the time].  As a result, there is still some legacy code in there that has an extremely high false positive rate where it credits Deepbit for blocks.

I agree with the statement from Blockchain reported Deepbit blocks are not all solved by Deepbit. But if there is a piece of code which reports all untaged blocks as Deepbit blocks then we should not see any solominer blocks which is not true. There are also untaged blocks from solominers reported.

My guess is Deepbit is very well connected within the network it's like a supernode and relay only so many blocks fom others with IP addresses which are known as Deepbit IP addresses.

Deepbit is on hetzner, they're not anywhere near what would be called a "supernode".  Best guess is there's simply a *huge* number of IPs which blockchain.info automatically assigns as "Deepbit" due to the number of Deepbit blocks that used to be relayed through them frequently.

nearly all (90%+ ?) of the blocks that say Deepbit originate from my node, 5.9.24.81

a lot of them are p2pool blocks

ed: oh, and ozcoin too.  ozcoin blocks are actually tagged, not sure why it doesn't mark them as such.  the rest are probably the iohash or w/e you mentioned (and a few solo miners maybe)

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August 30, 2013, 12:12:34 AM
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is deepbit still around on bitcointalk?
Yes.

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August 30, 2013, 01:04:39 AM
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I have a question, why is deepbit at 11% of the bitcoin network? the hashrate is very low on the pool site but it shows that deepbit is solving blocks faster than 50btc....

Deepbit doesn't tag any blocks to allow sites to properly identify them.  At the time blockchain.info was designed, the vast majority of blocks with no tag did belong to Deepbit [which was 30-40% of the network at the time].  As a result, there is still some legacy code in there that has an extremely high false positive rate where it credits Deepbit for blocks.  These days, a huge number of blocks showing up as Deepbit actually belong to ghash.io (BitFury).

That that makes sense now that you explain it to me. thanks

is deepbit still around on bitcointalk?
Tycho, posting above, is deepbit.

Oh then why isn't he using the "deepbit" account?
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September 01, 2013, 02:54:15 PM
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September 03, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
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How can this pool be only at 3700 GH/s and find 17% of all blocks ?!?!
What is the real Hashrate of this pool ?

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September 03, 2013, 09:24:48 PM
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How can this pool be only at 3700 GH/s and find 17% of all blocks ?!?!
What is the real Hashrate of this pool ?

This pool is  1552 Gh/s.

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September 03, 2013, 09:51:40 PM
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How can this pool be only at 3700 GH/s and find 17% of all blocks ?!?!
What is the real Hashrate of this pool ?

You need to stop relying on blockchain.info for identifying blocks.  They have -never- had Deepbit's blocks correctly identified since the day they made that pie chart.

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September 03, 2013, 11:09:09 PM
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How can this pool be only at 3700 GH/s and find 17% of all blocks ?!?!
What is the real Hashrate of this pool ?

You need to stop relying on blockchain.info for identifying blocks.  They have -never- had Deepbit's blocks correctly identified since the day they made that pie chart.

At least it's not the same person asking the same question on the same page.

Still doesn't say much.

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September 04, 2013, 07:29:51 AM
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I dont understand how this pool has such a big piece of the network with a 3% fee??

It must be worth it somehow?

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September 04, 2013, 01:27:46 PM
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I dont understand how this pool has such a big piece of the network with a 3% fee??

It must be worth it somehow?
PPS is 10% fee IIRC. Prop is 3.5%

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September 04, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
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I dont understand how this pool has such a big piece of the network with a 3% fee??

It must be worth it somehow?

This pool currently has a very small proportion of the network, something like a fifth of a percent.  Also, I think three percent is an acceptable sized fee for a non-PPS reward method. Many pools without fees have failed before now, some more spectacularly than others.

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September 04, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
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I dont understand how this pool has such a big piece of the network with a 3% fee??

It must be worth it somehow?
Deepbit predates many other modern pools. Historically during a major boom in bitcoin price when a lot of other pools struggled with the sudden demand for more miners combined with loads of DDoS attacks on the pools, this pool was just about the only pool able to withstand the greater demand and showed a level of stability that was unparalleled so it attracted a great proportion of miners despite the higher fees. However, that's history now and the bitcoin mining landscape is completely utterly unrecognisable from those days... but this pool remains virtually unchanged from what it was in those days in fees and features.

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September 06, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
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How can this pool be only at 3700 GH/s and find 17% of all blocks ?!?!
What is the real Hashrate of this pool ?
use http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php  for blocks

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September 09, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
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I dont understand how this pool has such a big piece of the network with a 3% fee??

It must be worth it somehow?
Deepbit predates many other modern pools. Historically during a major boom in bitcoin price when a lot of other pools struggled with the sudden demand for more miners combined with loads of DDoS attacks on the pools, this pool was just about the only pool able to withstand the greater demand and showed a level of stability that was unparalleled so it attracted a great proportion of miners despite the higher fees. However, that's history now and the bitcoin mining landscape is completely utterly unrecognisable from those days... but this pool remains virtually unchanged from what it was in those days in fees and features.

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September 10, 2013, 01:51:51 PM
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12 hours i've made instant payout (0.18937 BTC) , but transaction 1adc5e1f11723131c0660c2647fff635a9ac8cafc41cfd27a9775f5f4a7625f7 is unavailable. Is there an error or something else?
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September 10, 2013, 02:13:30 PM
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there must be some mistake on http://blockchain.info/pools cause deepbit is definitely not 12 percent of the network
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September 10, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
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there must be some mistake on http://blockchain.info/pools cause deepbit is definitely not 12 percent of the network
blockchain.info is a private business, there is no money in providing accurate stats - there is even a thread stickied in the parent forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123726.0
the guy that does http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php does care - well worth looking at Smiley

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