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June 28, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
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Well you only need to go back almost 4 months for 50% (200% shares per block)
https://deepbit.net/stats/1330819200
I think that might be the record worst day

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June 28, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
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The longer the blocks, the greater the effect on daily luck.

If you want to compare pool luck between different periods, you need to compare round length for a set number of rounds, not per day. Compare one sequence of 50 rounds with another.

Taking a daily average will make daily luck seem, on average, bad.

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June 28, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
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The longer the blocks, the greater the effect on daily luck.

If you want to compare pool luck between different periods, you need to compare round length for a set number of rounds, not per day. Compare one sequence of 50 rounds with another.

Taking a daily average will make daily luck seem, on average, bad.
Eh? No it wont.

The only problem with looking at a daily average is ... it's a daily average (again Sample vs Population Smiley)
One day it may be low, the next day it may be high.
Compared to the long term it means nothing, but it will certainly not always be bad, it will, on average, be bad half the time and good half the time Tongue

and aside: my post was simply pointing out the worst day I know of here at deepbit, nothing about what to expect

Deepbit also has an 825% share block back around then (not the last one on that page either) and that 8x factor seems to show up in BTC mining when looking at somewhat more extreme results, so I take that as a point to note when people complain about 400% to 700% share blocks and say that 800% blocks are certainly not unexpected ...

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June 28, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
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The longer the blocks, the greater the effect on daily luck.

If you want to compare pool luck between different periods, you need to compare round length for a set number of rounds, not per day. Compare one sequence of 50 rounds with another.

Taking a daily average will make daily luck seem, on average, bad.
Eh? No it wont.

Oh yes it will!

Run a few sample calcs if you want. I did while I was setting up miner's insurance, and it's why I average over rounds, not days. At 30*D per day hashrate the calculated average will be 3.5% longer than it should be. I haven't gotten around to a proper proof yet, but I understand why.

My post wasn't really aimed at you but to let miner's know that "24hr luck" will make them think the pool's luck is worse than it is.

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June 28, 2012, 04:01:53 PM
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The longer the blocks, the greater the effect on daily luck.

If you want to compare pool luck between different periods, you need to compare round length for a set number of rounds, not per day. Compare one sequence of 50 rounds with another.

Taking a daily average will make daily luck seem, on average, bad.
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Run a few sample calcs if you want. I did while I was setting up miner's insurance, and it's why I average over rounds, not days. At 30*D per day hashrate the calculated average will be 3.5% longer than it should be. I haven't gotten around to a proper proof yet, but I understand why.

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June 28, 2012, 11:46:59 PM
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Oh, alright then. I'll stop teasing kano Wink

You shouldn't use a 24 hour mean round length because if you do a harmonic mean has to be used to find an overall mean. If you don't do that, round lengths appear longer since you're looking at an average of rates (shares per round per day). Averaging over the same number of blocks avoid this.

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June 28, 2012, 11:59:07 PM
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Even so, we are over 10% above difficulty since the last change almost a week ago, still not very good
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June 29, 2012, 01:03:55 AM
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Buy insurance then and you wont have to worry about luck as much.

When DeepBit has a long period of bad luck, you're covered to whatever extent you want.

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June 29, 2012, 05:18:14 AM
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Oh, alright then. I'll stop teasing kano Wink

You shouldn't use a 24 hour mean round length because if you do a harmonic mean has to be used to find an overall mean. If you don't do that, round lengths appear longer since you're looking at an average of rates (shares per round per day). Averaging over the same number of blocks avoid this.
OK yes I see my mistake Smiley
I'm comparing apples and oranges ...
A day in time cant be compared when deciding on the average block 'luck' since bad luck blocks will of course run longer and thus affect a "daily" average more that short good luck blocks.

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July 03, 2012, 11:48:09 PM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now

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July 03, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now

Been running like a top all day here.
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July 03, 2012, 11:53:30 PM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now
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July 04, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now
Works fine at my side. Is there any packet loss between your PC and pit.deepbit.net ?

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July 04, 2012, 08:47:13 AM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now
Works fine at my side. Is there any packet loss between your PC and pit.deepbit.net ?

working once again

Don't know, how do i check for packet loss?

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July 05, 2012, 04:47:39 PM
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Mining not running today? I had problem earlier, maybe fixed now

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July 05, 2012, 11:48:12 PM
Last edit: July 06, 2012, 01:29:19 PM by DeepBit
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UPDATE:

Some features were moved from Beta stage to Public:
  • Inline SVG graphics. Currently available at the account page for your hashrate history over previous 24 hours and on the payments page for your cumulative payments history. Be careful, this trick is not supported in Internet Explorer 6 and some older browsers.
  • Advanced workers table. Looks better if you have many workers. Average hashrate is shown for the entire timespan from the last worker reset, including any downtime or pauses. Won't be shown if this worker was never reset.

New features:
  • BlockchainInfo can be selected for links in the stats table and payments history instead of classic Bitcoin Block Explorer. May be helpful if BBE shows "No such transaction".

Those features can be enabled or disabled at the "Advanced settings" page.

Tips and tricks:
You can limit payments table to some specific timespan. For example, if you bought a couple of Icarus FPGA mining boards at 2 Feb 2012, convert this date to UNIX UTC/GMT timestamp and try to create a link like this:
https://deepbit.net/payments?start=1328140800 to find out if you are close to break even or not.
Negative numbers work a bit differently. If you want to check your income for last week, multiply 60(seconds)*60(minutes)*24(hours)*7(days)=604800 and use similar link:
https://deepbit.net/payments?start=-604800

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July 06, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
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I am using a quite recent version of chrome (version 20.0.1132.47) and I don't notice any changes (yet?) of my account page. Anyone?
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July 06, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
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Never mind. I found it under advanced in Account
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July 19, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
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Hi Deepbit

I just received payment (only not confirmed information - by my Bitcoin-qt client) – see below.

https://blockexplorer.com/tx/cab061291b1b6b5e1979711ecb884839fbdfdaf9c747fae75e05b40e658458be

In a payments list on deepbit.com there is this transaction.

But there is no such transaction, I do not received money (BTC 1.05)


It is something wrong with your pool?

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July 19, 2012, 01:29:43 PM
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I just received payment (only not confirmed information - by my Bitcoin-qt client) – see below.
https://blockexplorer.com/tx/cab061291b1b6b5e1979711ecb884839fbdfdaf9c747fae75e05b40e658458be

In a payments list on deepbit.com there is this transaction.
But there is no such transaction, I do not received money (BTC 1.05)
It is something wrong with your pool?
As the web site says, blockexplorer always shows "no such transaction" until this transactions gets at least one confirmation and the block with that transaction reaches BBE's server.

Switch your Deepbit account to the "blockchaininfo" site if you want to see more actual stats.

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