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Author Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too  (Read 1452894 times)
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July 05, 2013, 04:02:11 PM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Is there any reason not to broadcast the transactions without fees? I don't personally care if Deepbit mines my payment or someone else does it. It would also avoid the transaction not showing up relatively quickly for people looking for instant gratification and there's still no fee unless the pool wants to pay it. If no one else picks it up Deepbit can still mine it too so no lack of control. If the transaction hash is generated at the same time payment is requested the coins are already sitting there ready to pay out. So what's the downside? Or what's the rationale for this even? Maybe some brownie points and looking cool while it was a big pool, but waiting "several hours" before the transaction is even visible is a bit of a pain.
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July 06, 2013, 08:07:06 PM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Maybe think about signing the coinbase?
What for ?

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July 06, 2013, 08:10:27 PM

Is there any reason not to broadcast the transactions without fees? I don't personally care if Deepbit mines my payment or someone else does it. It would also avoid the transaction not showing up relatively quickly for people looking for instant gratification and there's still no fee unless the pool wants to pay it. If no one else picks it up Deepbit can still mine it too so no lack of control. If the transaction hash is generated at the same time payment is requested the coins are already sitting there ready to pay out. So what's the downside? Or what's the rationale for this even? Maybe some brownie points and looking cool while it was a big pool, but waiting "several hours" before the transaction is even visible is a bit of a pain.
All transactions are broadcasted instantly at the moment of payment, but many nodes deny relaying low-priority TXes if fee is less than 0.0001 BTC - that's why sometimes you can't see your unconfirmed TX at blockchain.info
I'll think about adding some option to include fees.

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July 06, 2013, 10:30:54 PM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Maybe think about signing the coinbase?
What for ?
Signing the coinbase would identify blocks from Deepbit without any overhead. Detection from blockchain.info et all would be dead simple. I'm personally not sure why you don't want your blocks to be easily identified and don't particularly care that they're often incorrectly identified.

Is there any reason not to broadcast the transactions without fees? I don't personally care if Deepbit mines my payment or someone else does it. It would also avoid the transaction not showing up relatively quickly for people looking for instant gratification and there's still no fee unless the pool wants to pay it. If no one else picks it up Deepbit can still mine it too so no lack of control. If the transaction hash is generated at the same time payment is requested the coins are already sitting there ready to pay out. So what's the downside? Or what's the rationale for this even? Maybe some brownie points and looking cool while it was a big pool, but waiting "several hours" before the transaction is even visible is a bit of a pain.
All transactions are broadcasted instantly at the moment of payment, but many nodes deny relaying low-priority TXes if fee is less than 0.0001 BTC - that's why sometimes you can't see your unconfirmed TX at blockchain.info
I'll think about adding some option to include fees.
I know personally I'm fine with no fee since I'd assume it would come out of my cash (and rightfully so). I wasn't sure if the payment tx was being broadcast at all or just held for inclusion in the next block. And while it would change the tx and tx id, why not rebroadcast the transaction to include all payments outbound (automatic and manual) that haven't confirmed yet to increase their priority? Might be harder to implement though.
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July 07, 2013, 12:51:04 AM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Maybe think about signing the coinbase?
What for ?
Signing the coinbase would identify blocks from Deepbit without any overhead. Detection from blockchain.info et all would be dead simple. I'm personally not sure why you don't want your blocks to be easily identified and don't particularly care that they're often incorrectly identified.
Pool hopping.
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July 07, 2013, 01:58:19 AM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Maybe think about signing the coinbase?
What for ?
Signing the coinbase would identify blocks from Deepbit without any overhead. Detection from blockchain.info et all would be dead simple. I'm personally not sure why you don't want your blocks to be easily identified and don't particularly care that they're often incorrectly identified.
Pool hopping.
Except that argument, as a reason not to, fails for a number of reasons:
1) DeepBit has supposedly implemented features to stop pool hopping (or was that not true and everyone mining here is losing income?)
2) Anyone who wants to pool hop DeepBit (and avoids their supposed detection) can identify the blocks a very high % of the time already anyway.
3) So are you saying that DeepBit's payment method is so out of date as everyone has known for literally 'years' and they don't care?

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July 07, 2013, 04:52:08 AM

3) So are you saying that DeepBit's payment method is so out of date as everyone has known for literally 'years' and they don't care?

 Not to put too fine of a point on it, but it's one of the last remaining proportional pools out there, and they don't even support Stratum yet.
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July 07, 2013, 10:14:59 AM

Not to put too fine of a point on it, but it's one of the last remaining proportional pools out there, and they don't even support Stratum yet.

And that's one of the reasons i am here (mining with deepbit). There are passengers for every train. If you don't like this poll - choose another. You can't please everyone.

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July 09, 2013, 01:20:03 PM

Am i misunderstanding something about bitcoins? looking at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Deepbit , I see lots of submitted blocks, yet looking at the statistics page of the deepbit website, it shows no blocks for almost 2 days.. what's wrong? :/
Answered LOTS of times already. Blockchain.info is publishing incorrect data about block's origin.
Maybe think about signing the coinbase?
What for ?

No more inaccuracy from blockchain.info. Plus I get a kick out of reading messages in the coinbase - maybe you could make a coded message I could read with my decoder ring? That'd be cool Grin

I look forward to seeing "Hi organofcorti, love and kisses, Tycho" in the coinbase this weekend.

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July 09, 2013, 05:18:38 PM

I look forward to seeing "Hi organofcorti, love and kisses, Tycho" in the coinbase this weekend.

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July 10, 2013, 12:14:46 AM

I look forward to seeing "Hi organofcorti, love and kisses, Tycho" in the coinbase this weekend.

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July 10, 2013, 12:22:43 AM

I look forward to seeing "Hi organofcorti, love and kisses, Tycho" in the coinbase this weekend.

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July 16, 2013, 12:45:30 PM

i am wonder what other usb blade erupter users are getting as their hasrates? I seem to only be getting a max of 65 Mh per second, but the chip is rated for 333. I wonder if I am actually just using my GPU and bfgminer has not identified the usb miner. Any thoughts?
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July 16, 2013, 12:51:20 PM

i am wonder what other usb blade erupter users are getting as their hasrates? I seem to only be getting a max of 65 Mh per second, but the chip is rated for 333. I wonder if I am actually just using my GPU and bfgminer has not identified the usb miner. Any thoughts?

On Stratum Protocol pools I'm gett 334-335Mhs.  On Deepbit, which is the old Getwork protocol, I'm getting 328-330Mhs.  So I would say BFGMiner probably BF'd something.  Or you have some other problem.
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July 17, 2013, 12:29:25 PM

 with mine I had to  set my .bat file to launch my device as the next device after my video cards ..
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July 28, 2013, 04:11:39 PM

Web site seems to be down for me.

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July 29, 2013, 05:29:10 AM

Web site seems to be down for me.
Works for me. May be it was a short interruption ?

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July 29, 2013, 11:42:48 AM

Web site seems to be down for me.
Works for me. May be it was a short interruption ?

Yes it was working again last night when I checked.  And its fine now.

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August 05, 2013, 04:54:44 AM

I've been reading through the last few dozen pages, is deepbit dying?
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August 05, 2013, 11:37:10 PM

LOL i dont undertstand who would still mine in this pool
So I should probably jump ship?
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