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August 05, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
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Hello I have currently been waiting for 48+ hours for a miner payout to clear. If I Google the tx#, it seems that it has been rejected. Please advise.

  30cb4441d81abddb2818a5b18e066cc643548904c8f17a118d56100a540268ab: Seen by 5 peers. Pending/unconfirmed.
     from [sig:304502207d065226503fad4781f3266f953565c562843061d5b3bc15109ab6e086913e630221009 0c7c9ed1cd1386eac19e762d50f8e840648fac5835644630357d780f4bbe7c601] / aa1fc35969653bc6d8d4f864fc92cfba1fea0825887dabcd0e299bc19a5b25c3:0
       to [pubkey:04a39b9e4fbd213ef24bb9be69de4a118dd0644082e47c01fd9159d38637b83fbcdc115a5d6e970 586a012d1cfe3e3a8b1a3d04e763bdc5a071c0e827c0bd834a5] 0.76129605 BTC
       to 1Ls2qT8saRvxrYR8Di9ZDJ7AHLvEz4cJmJ 0.01296151 BTC

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August 06, 2013, 12:04:49 AM
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Hello I have currently been waiting for 48+ hours for a miner payout to clear. If I Google the tx#, it seems that it has been rejected. Please advise.

  30cb4441d81abddb2818a5b18e066cc643548904c8f17a118d56100a540268ab: Seen by 5 peers. Pending/unconfirmed.
     from [sig:304502207d065226503fad4781f3266f953565c562843061d5b3bc15109ab6e086913e630221009 0c7c9ed1cd1386eac19e762d50f8e840648fac5835644630357d780f4bbe7c601] / aa1fc35969653bc6d8d4f864fc92cfba1fea0825887dabcd0e299bc19a5b25c3:0
       to [pubkey:04a39b9e4fbd213ef24bb9be69de4a118dd0644082e47c01fd9159d38637b83fbcdc115a5d6e970 586a012d1cfe3e3a8b1a3d04e763bdc5a071c0e827c0bd834a5] 0.76129605 BTC
       to 1Ls2qT8saRvxrYR8Di9ZDJ7AHLvEz4cJmJ 0.01296151 BTC


It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.

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August 06, 2013, 12:11:48 AM
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Hello I have currently been waiting for 48+ hours for a miner payout to clear. If I Google the tx#, it seems that it has been rejected. Please advise.

  30cb4441d81abddb2818a5b18e066cc643548904c8f17a118d56100a540268ab: Seen by 5 peers. Pending/unconfirmed.
     from [sig:304502207d065226503fad4781f3266f953565c562843061d5b3bc15109ab6e086913e630221009 0c7c9ed1cd1386eac19e762d50f8e840648fac5835644630357d780f4bbe7c601] / aa1fc35969653bc6d8d4f864fc92cfba1fea0825887dabcd0e299bc19a5b25c3:0
       to [pubkey:04a39b9e4fbd213ef24bb9be69de4a118dd0644082e47c01fd9159d38637b83fbcdc115a5d6e970 586a012d1cfe3e3a8b1a3d04e763bdc5a071c0e827c0bd834a5] 0.76129605 BTC
       to 1Ls2qT8saRvxrYR8Di9ZDJ7AHLvEz4cJmJ 0.01296151 BTC


It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.

Great. Ive gotten satoshis from the fountain quicker than a miner payout. Thanks Deepbit.

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August 06, 2013, 02:12:33 AM
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Hello I have currently been waiting for 48+ hours for a miner payout to clear. If I Google the tx#, it seems that it has been rejected. Please advise.

  30cb4441d81abddb2818a5b18e066cc643548904c8f17a118d56100a540268ab: Seen by 5 peers. Pending/unconfirmed.
     from [sig:304502207d065226503fad4781f3266f953565c562843061d5b3bc15109ab6e086913e630221009 0c7c9ed1cd1386eac19e762d50f8e840648fac5835644630357d780f4bbe7c601] / aa1fc35969653bc6d8d4f864fc92cfba1fea0825887dabcd0e299bc19a5b25c3:0
       to [pubkey:04a39b9e4fbd213ef24bb9be69de4a118dd0644082e47c01fd9159d38637b83fbcdc115a5d6e970 586a012d1cfe3e3a8b1a3d04e763bdc5a071c0e827c0bd834a5] 0.76129605 BTC
       to 1Ls2qT8saRvxrYR8Di9ZDJ7AHLvEz4cJmJ 0.01296151 BTC


It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.

Great. Ive gotten satoshis from the fountain quicker than a miner payout. Thanks Deepbit.
Don't worry, I'll be mining till I can get my last payout, so we'll get a block, eventually...
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August 06, 2013, 02:19:07 AM
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That was supposed to sound less cheery than it did.
Yeah, you're screwed.
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August 06, 2013, 06:45:21 PM
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with 1,519 Gh/s no block since how many days? 2?

it's like solomining with 3 BFL mini rigs.  Grin

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August 06, 2013, 07:24:39 PM
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with 1,519 Gh/s no block since how many days? 2?

Last block was 250030 three days ago 2013-08-03 19:41:57 UTC.

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August 06, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
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That's what you get joining the dark side !



 

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August 06, 2013, 08:53:04 PM
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That's what you get joining the dark side !



 

Where are the cookies?   Wink

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August 06, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
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with 1,519 Gh/s no block since how many days? 2?

it's like solomining with 3 BFL mini rigs.  Grin

Finally got the payment this morning. It's pretty BFL of them to process payments like this. Not sure why i would mine there if one of their mini rigs goes down Ill be waiting months for a dollar payout.

Bringing my block erupters to btc guild =D

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August 07, 2013, 01:31:06 AM
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It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.
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Doesn't it look, based on this link, that the block was actually mined by Eligius?

http://blockchain.info/block-index/404514

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August 07, 2013, 01:40:07 AM
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It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.

Doesn't it look, based on this link, that the block was actually mined by Eligius?

http://blockchain.info/block-index/404514

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Looks like users got lucky and the coins used for the payments aged enough to be caught even without fees.   Almost half the transactions in that block were Deepbit payouts, and not a single one paid a transaction fee.

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August 07, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
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Looks like users got lucky and the coins used for the payments aged enough to be caught even without fees.   Almost half the transactions in that block were Deepbit payouts, and not a single one paid a transaction fee.
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I've remained mum awaiting response from anyone representing Deepbit, but I guess there is none. And people ask me why I mined with them. I haven't had much of an answer for that as I haven't known anything else since I mined for a brief period around 2011 on my GPU and only recently regained interest with the ASICs. Another helpful member of these forums pointed out that they do not support Stratum as would be best for such chips. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266584.msg2851130#msg2851130)

Also, a friend of mine who is also on these boards did confirm that his worker payouts from BTC Guild are sent with an appropriate fee to support the network. Irrespective of the size of my particular transaction, I find it disappointing that Deepbit does not do this, especially if they aren't mining their own worker payments with the pool's hashrate. Why should another pool essentially process Deepbit's payroll?

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August 08, 2013, 12:20:03 AM
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And people ask me why I mined with them. I haven't had much of an answer for that as I haven't known anything else since I mined for a brief period around 2011 on my GPU and only recently regained interest with the ASICs. Another helpful member of these forums pointed out that they do not support Stratum as would be best for such chips.

Well one answer is that Deepbit is probably, over the long haul, the most reliable pool, ever.

[Tycho] has implied that he will implement stratum but still has not.  So if he doesn't get that done and fairly soon Deepbit may well be done.

I still use this pool as a backup pool but as the hashrate keeps dropping and the difficulty keeps rising that isn't really viable.

I would hate to see Deepbit disappear.  I know I'm the minority in that thought, but providing a service like this is a business and it's sad to see so many people dislike this pool because they don't like common sense business practices.

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
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August 08, 2013, 12:38:22 AM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has affected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

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August 08, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Merged Mining.

Implementing anti pool hopping measures that always end up catching non hoppers and piss off once loyal users.

Implementing other payout methods with settings that can cause the operator to risk loss.

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August 08, 2013, 12:42:39 AM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

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August 08, 2013, 12:45:42 AM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

When Deepbit was the largest pool people were screaming how he was scamming people for charging 10% for PPS.  Now that several pools have gone under or have suffered serious losses for having no fee or too low fee PPS nobody seems to think 10% is too high anymore.

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August 08, 2013, 11:46:41 PM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4

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August 09, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
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Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
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Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4


That's 2.5 % for Deepbit and .7% on BTC Guild.  I get about 2% HW Errors on Deepbit and about 1% on BTC Guild.  So I would say your in line with what you should be getting.  Over a large period of time the lost shares due to the old getwork protocol will add up.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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A: Top-posting.
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