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September 09, 2012, 10:16:34 PM
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Out of curiosity, why don't you allow GPUMax?
GPUMAX is allowed, but in this exact case someone tried to poolhop with that hashing power. Since GPUmax is (possibly) not allowing random destinations then it may be some other "project".

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September 09, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
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Out of curiosity, why don't you allow GPUMax?
GPUMAX is allowed, but in this exact case someone tried to poolhop with that hashing power. Since GPUmax is (possibly) not allowing random destinations then it may be some other "project".
GPUMax is allowing random destinations, but I can't imagine your average hopping proxy would handle a full-bore GPUMax hit.

What would you class as poolhopping in these circumstances? GPUMax purchases have been starting pretty well instantly, so what if, for example, I made a purchase and activated it when Deepbit solved a block? I could have maybe 100,000 shares all clustered towards the start of one particular round. Would that be enough to get the account blocked?
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September 09, 2012, 11:51:39 PM
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What would you class as poolhopping in these circumstances? GPUMax purchases have been starting pretty well instantly, so what if, for example, I made a purchase and activated it when Deepbit solved a block? I could have maybe 100,000 shares all clustered towards the start of one particular round. Would that be enough to get the account blocked?
No, probability of false positives is extremely low. I don't think that it's possible.

I saw many "good" bursts from GPUmax and it was ok.

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September 10, 2012, 03:17:15 PM
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It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??

I'm seeing higher hash rate and more found shares than previously
so why

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September 10, 2012, 06:51:25 PM
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It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.

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September 10, 2012, 09:06:45 PM
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It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.

EXCUSE ME      "nothing related to payment"   

pay per share dropped from .00001843777 to .00001670349 (almost 10%) at least 56 hrs ago

I've watch the payout drop for month after month
if it was the "difficulty" 
I can't see it here,  I'm still finding just as many shares .. with the same hash rate 
Just getting paid less and less for those shares


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September 10, 2012, 09:23:48 PM
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It's been over 2 days since deepbit changed his payout
WHY ??
What change are you talking about ? Nothing related to payment was changed.

EXCUSE ME

pay per share dropped from .00001843777 to .00001670349 at least 56 hrs ago

I've watch the payout drop for month after month while if it was the "difficulty" 
I can't see it here,  I'm still finding just as many shares .. with the same hash rate 
Just getting paid less and less for those shares



heh.

i will let deepbit admin answer this one.

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September 10, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

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197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

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September 10, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

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September 10, 2012, 09:32:58 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.
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September 10, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.

I'm not talking block to block ... I'm looking week to week ... month to month
IF the difficulty changed Why am I still seeing the SAME FOUND SHARES
if difficulty increases my shares would drop ... less shares for the same hash rate
this hasn't happened

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September 10, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said
The PPS rate is based on the difficulty.
The difficulty changed at block 197568 to 2694047.952955

What that means is that you have to mine (on average) 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares to find a block.
Since a block is made up (on average) of 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares and is worth 50 BTC, then each share (without fees) is worth 50/2694047.952955 = 0.000018559 BTC

The number of shares you find does not drop, the value of the shares drops.
You have been mining 1 difficulty shares ... always ... so no change in the average rate you find shares.

To reverse that you multiply the PPS rate times the difficulty to work out how much the pool is paying ...

.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000 BTC

Thus the pool is paying 45BTC per block (PPS) = 10% fee

So it all makes sense.

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September 10, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said

hah. i was expecting that.

as diff goes up.. you get paid less per share. the reverse is also true.

I'm not talking block to block ... I'm looking week to week ... month to month
IF the difficulty changed Why am I still seeing the SAME FOUND SHARES
if difficulty increases my shares would drop ... less shares for the same hash rate
this hasn't happened
Because you're solving difficulty 1 shares.
At a difficulty of 2694047.952955, it takes an average of 2694047.952955 of those shares to find a block. The amount of processing power required to find those shares doesn't change.
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September 10, 2012, 10:06:27 PM
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.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000

So that means they are charging 10% for PPS - sounds about right.

Edit: and .0000184377 × 2440642.606916 = 45.000 also ...

Edit2:
Code:
197568 18:10:37 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a063a38 (2694047.952955)
197567 18:10:24 6-Sep-2012 UTC 0x1a06dfbe (2440642.606916)

Care to explain WTF you said
The PPS rate is based on the difficulty.
The difficulty changed at block 197568 to 2694047.952955

What that means is that you have to mine (on average) 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares to find a block.
Since a block is made up (on average) of 2694047.952955 difficulty 1 shares and is worth 50 BTC, then each share (without fees) is worth 50/2694047.952955 = 0.000018559 BTC

The number of shares you find does not drop, the value of the shares drops.
You have been mining 1 difficulty shares ... always ... so no change in the average rate you find shares.

To reverse that you multiply the PPS rate times the difficulty to work out how much the pool is paying ...

.00001670349 x 2694047.952955 = 45.000 BTC

Thus the pool is paying 45BTC per block (PPS) = 10% fee

So it all makes sense.

so what you are saying as difficulty changes the number of share's per found bock is constant ??
It's just the pay per share changes

I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less

EDIT
  I think I just got it... difficulty increases ... it takes MORE shares to find a block (pays the same coins)
you still mine the same number of shares (a constant for your hardware...same hash rate)
but it's more shares to get the same payout

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September 10, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
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I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

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September 10, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
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I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below

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September 10, 2012, 10:35:46 PM
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I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below
Lovely. Was it really necessary to be such a tosser about this? It's a very easy system to understand.
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September 10, 2012, 10:49:55 PM
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I thought you found less shares with increased difficulty  NOT they were just worth less
Less blocks are found per MH/s or per given number of diff-1 shares when difficulty is high, but same number of shares per MH/s because difficulty is always 1 for shares.

See my edit below
Lovely. Was it really necessary to be such a tosser about this? It's a very easy system to understand.

and Just WHAT do we call YOU
comments like this are UNNECESSARY
basing on flames
not everyone understands or can explain to others

you on the other hand have been reported to the mods for you useless comments
regardless of how long you've been here and gotten away with such behavior

Have a nice life

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September 10, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
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THANKS to all of you that convoluted the explanations with BS

I think everyone just assumed that since you have 155 posts and are not posting in the "newbie" DeepBit thread that they could post explanations that required a bit more knowledge than you have. No one was trying to make you look bad.

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September 10, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
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THANKS to all of you that convoluted the explanations with BS

I think everyone just assumed that since you have 155 posts and are not posting in the "newbie" DeepBit thread that they could post explanations that required a bit more knowledge than you have. No one was trying to make you look bad.

ASSUME  ass of u and me

I was just having an Alzheimer's moment and no one was explaining is SIMPLE ENGLISH

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