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[tungfa]

Little Fundraiser for PR Writers Bounties ....>

Hey community,
as you know a couple of community guys and girls are writing Press Releases, helping Evan with his Releases (writing), help promote DRK by submitting written Stories to publications and much more.....

They are very important and needed,
so to keep the crew happy and throw a little incentive behind this I am doing a fundraiser for a small bounty pot !
Am planing to pay/giveaway 5 DRK (across the board) for each PR Release, Story, Whitepaper ,......>

I am looking for 100 DRK
(so we haver that pot filled up and do NOT have to do this after each writing job)

Donation Address:
XjxqubJYbVfDFyLYv76WVLwNh3nPo5Ndj6

To start this party off, i send 25 DRK to show my appreciation to the Writing Crew.

Anybody else,
please feel free to donate !
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[georgem]

That's what this video and core marketing needs to communicate: Trust, Certainty, Backing, Credibility, Efficiency, Security, Anonymity, Privacy.

My opinion is, either darkcoin manages to really evolve into a true ecash, and all the attributes you mentioned will simply follow
because the tool (that can be used for all that) will now actually EXIST and will be used.

Or we can just try to build an overblown image now that our software tries forever to chase after.
Especially strong words like "Certainty" and "Efficiency" can't just be claimed... you have to earn them.

Darkcoin isn't even 1 year old!  

EDIT: I am not saying that such an official serious video shouldn't be done now. But I don't look at it as more relevant than anything a fan could make.
Because we are far from entering the real promotional era of darkcoin.

[f2000]

We need mass appeal, not cheap jokes.

You will never manage to create a video that everybody likes. (ofcourse I am glad that you try nonetheless to achieve it)
Therefor we need many different iterations of many different ways if we really want to "mass appeal".

I still think that stuff like this is hilarious, and extremely important:



Can you imagine what a real artist could do with such a meme?

Did you watch the videos I posted? I dont think there will be a single person here that doesnt like them and would love to see something in a similar vein for Darkcoin...that is what we should be aiming for. When I say aim, its fairly easily done when you go to a professional. We just need to get the bullet points fleshed out.

Regarding the pic you posted, its not my cup of tea personally...but I'm sure you guessed that already 

[georgem]

You will never manage to create a video that everybody likes. (ofcourse I am glad that you try nonetheless to achieve it)

Thanks for mentioning that, no hidden agenda...I want my investment to do as well as it can do.

All I am saying is: GO FOR IT!

I welcome every darkcoin video, no matter how it tries to look like.

I think the big difference is, that the video you are thinking about will cost quite some money, and will probably have to be funded by the community.
This needs careful consideration and must be well timed. (also, people might get pissed when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined)

At this point in time, I just look at all the fans who put their own time and money into creating their own darkcoin stuff.
Cheaper and more effective. It basically "can't go wrong" no matter how you put it.

PS I love the kurzgesagt videos.

[sergiokkl]

what is the difference between using  darkcoin in tor network and using bitcoin on the tor network?

I have more anonymity using darkcoin? why?

thnks

[wozzek23]

It is imperative the Darkcoin's official core image directives represent its phisolophy and it's origins and objectives. A very serious protocol to empower the individual. The individuals of the world need a simple and cross-cultured presentation of what Darkcoin is and what is proposes.

I love this discussion.

It emphasizes what I wrote several days ago: The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy. Is it going to be a subversive element, a part of the shadow economy (20% of the world's economy is the shadow economy) or a tool for us to start building a new society free of oppression and tyranny or is it going to strive to become a mainstream coin in the vein of Bitcoin? Options are many but our plans, our direction, our philosophy are not. Thusly, we do not generate enough enthusiasm in the wider community of crypto enthusiasts; what is left seems to be only a bunch of nerds getting it and having some fun doing it, but no many others.

I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.

I don't believe we can wait for three years as that last article suggests, given the speed of development crypto world is witnessing. I wrote several suggestions on Darkcoin talk that I hope would not hurt to be repeated, in order to help this discusssion:

Visibility is everything, so say:

    - TanteStefana and / or David (a new writer) start from the start (articles about Darkcoin origins, DarkSend, "How to... " buy / trade / invest;
    - fernando or someone good with this creates a simple animation video, explaining the same in a more visual way;
    - another video, more sophisticated may be in place as well;
    - get transcripts for these videos; https://www.speechpad.com/ $1.00 for a minute and post it in a blog;
    - SYNDICATE all content (Twitter, FB, blog) and use all RSS feeds. Point in case, Review Outlaw has a video on mining Darkcoin here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpEmo3y0VQ so his channel is @ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOvN3fb1NyriX4SVgVj02SA so his RSS feed is @
    https://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/base/users/reviewoutlaw/uploads

    Ping all that to all RSS syndication services. Transcripts as well. Tweet them;

    - See could Twitter / FB API alow syndicating this Forum posts, or at least, the developer's updates;
    - Figure out how to get Evan and Ape to be guests on Max Keiser show (just ask him - PRIVACY is the key);
    - if not, interview him for Darkcoins own YT channel.

    Syndicate;

    - "anarchy is to act like you're already free" so get in touch with David Graeber, an anarchist and a professor, but also the author of Debt: The First Five Thousand Years so he knows about money and he would have something to say about cryptocurrency through historical, sociological, philosophical angle;
    - Syndicate;
    - try to do the same with Reggie Middleton of boombustblog - he's big on crypto and is working on his own exchange;
    - Syndicate;
    - Someone else, write a "freedom essay" (Darkcoin Manifesto) on why is crypto so important? Why Darkcoin. Difference in between anonymity and privacy issue. We're all enslaved by The Financial Crime Cartel and its shenanigans (crimes) and this could be the first real movement in human history that would liberate us from the institutionalized chains of death, destruction and debt, their modus operanda.

WEEKLY Q&A with Evan (and Ape and some other developer) - perhaps as a LIVE CHAT was the best idea thus far - sorry, but for a life in me at the moment I can't recall whose idea it was - so that could be an hour or so live transmissions with the community, investors, journalists, bloggers etc, participating (or just a host, one of the guys here, or from the Foundation) that would boost both the visibility and interest.

Bottom line. Spread the word as much as you can. And try to also focus on "influencers" like Max, David, Reggie...

And again, what Darkcoin wants to be, that is the question. What we want the Darkcoin to be?

[salmion]

what is the difference between using  darkcoin in tor network and using bitcoin on the tor network?

I have more anonymity using darkcoin? why?

thnks

This is where the Official 2 minute animation is useful

Because your coins are premixed using darkcoin.

With Bitcoin transactions can be tracked.

Tor hides your location. Darkcoin privatises the money trail.

[eduffield]

Enforcement is active, setting it for 15 minutes into the future

[dotnetmin]

Enforcement is active, setting it for 15 minutes into the future

Would be nice to see nicehash get orphan, soon ...

[BrainShutdown]

Enforcement is active, setting it for 15 minutes into the future

Congratulations to Evan and all the members of this community!

Another milestone  

[g4q34g4qg47ww]

Enforcement is active, setting it for 15 minutes into the future

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYA

[RenegadeMan]

That's what this video and core marketing needs to communicate: Trust, Certainty, Backing, Credibility, Efficiency, Security, Anonymity, Privacy.

My opinion is, either darkcoin manages to really evolve into a true ecash, and all the attributes you mentioned will simply follow
because the tool (that can be used for all that) will now actually EXIST and will be used.

Or we can just try to build an overblown image now that our software tries forever to chase after.
Especially strong words like "Certainty" and "Efficiency" can't just be claimed... you have to earn them.

Darkcoin isn't even 1 year old!  

EDIT: I am not saying that such an official serious video shouldn't be done now. But I don't look at it as more relevant than anything a fan could make.
Because we are far from entering the real promotional era of darkcoin.

Georgem we have to tell the story, clearly and concisely. Just like when you write a resume or CV and apply for a job, you have to present credentials and attributes that will give the potential employer confidence you're going to be solid and deliver on the expectations being set. We already have a story on each of those attributes I've listed:

Trust: Darkcoin has an experienced and real-world identified dev with a very strong financial background. He has consistently delivered for the project;
Certainty: The project has reached many milestones, it is stable with a strong community that is very supportive and committed;
Backing: Many serious people are associated, again all real-world identified, the Foundation has structure, process and governance;
Credibility: The system works and has been verified by an external crypto expert. The masternode network with approx 1000 servers around the world is architecturally advanced, robust and economically well structured to lessen volatility;
Efficiency: Transactions are secure and confirmed by a healthy robust network, InstantX provides rapid confirmation as efficient as proprietary closed-source traditional credit card networks (but with a tiny fraction of the transaction costs);
Security: Vulnerabilities are addressed within hours, users identities are protected, the system is very secure;
Anonymity: Darksend guarantees transactions are untraceable; no real-world user identity metadata is needed to use Darkcoin;
Privacy: Users are completely anonymous and, unlike Bitcoin and many other crypto-currencies, block chain analysis cannot identify wallet addresses to specific user's real-world identities. Privacy is the hallmark feature of Darkcoin to address ever increasing government intrusion on privacy.

It's all very well to talk about "darkcoin manages to really evolve into a true ecash" but without a solid marketing we'll never get there. You can't expect it to succeed through a "build it and they will come" process, nor will it get there if there are many hundreds of cottage industry style marketing attempts going on with hundreds of slants on what it is and what it does.

We need a core message and core positioning statement of what it's for, how it's supported and why people can trust in it. And we need that first....THEN we'll get more adoption...then it will be seen as "ecash for the Internet".

Solid messaging....increased interest....adoption....understanding of value.....ecash for the Internet.....Market cap dramatically increases.

[Jestah]

The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy

I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.

Thank you for stating what needed to be said.    

There are people here that know what it takes to do it right so lets get it done right.

[eduffield]

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[RenegadeMan]

Successfully enabled enforcement.   

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Tremendous Evan (I think, I'm not a dev). Looking forward to seeing consistency on the MN payments now.

It would be great if you could give some commentary sometime on this discussion about marketing/video production.

[GilAlexander]

Will every masternode get payment every %masternode_count% blocks? What does it mean "Each masternode can expect a payment every N blocks with a variance of about 10%." from announce? What is 10%?

[georgem]

The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy.

Aren't you mistaking philosophy with promotion?
I think since the start darkcoins philosophy has been lightyears ahead of all the other coins.
It singlehandedly started the whole anonymous coin movement, and it remains the flag ship of cryptocurrencies that is sailing far out in uncharted waters.

Is it going to be a subversive element, a part of the shadow economy (20% of the world's economy is the shadow economy) or a tool for us to start building a new society free of oppression and tyranny or is it going to strive to become a mainstream coin in the vein of Bitcoin? Options are many but our plans, our direction, our philosophy are not. Thusly, we do not generate enough enthusiasm in the wider community of crypto enthusiasts; what is left seems to be only a bunch of nerds getting it and having some fun doing it, but no many others.

Being subversive IS the only way to start building a new society. (sure ain't going to get there by complying with arbitrary government rules)
Bitcoin is not mainstream, it started everything.
Remember that the transparency of bitcoin (while bad for a currency) is extremely valuable for all kinds of other things: contracts, claims, etc.. (it's the blockchain, bitchez!)
this alone will start many additional revolutions (not just regarding money)

I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.

I think now you are just mean.
How could fan work possibly ever be hurtful to the thing it celebrates?
When has fan art ever hurt music or movies or books, etc?

I think that the problem is that people are heavily invested in darkcoin and expect a return on investment sooner than later, and so they get quite snippy and overreactive all the time (cue camosoul)

I don't believe we can wait for three years as that last article suggests, given the speed of development crypto world is witnessing.

The percieved speed of development in crypto comes mainly from this giant "cambrian explosion" like outgrowth coming from all the latecomers, opportunists and scammers... who want a piece of the cake.
..but remember that bitcoin just silently, patiently sits there, and hasn't even gone out of beta phase yet. It's still Version 0.9.3 !
If you want to gauge the speed of crypto world, don't look at the altcoins, look at bitcoin!  

Visibility is everything, so say:

    ...
    long list
    ...

I totally agree with all of that.
And people will slowly start doing all that when the time is ripe.

[georgem]

Georgem we have to tell the story, clearly and concisely.

Please do so. Absolutely.

But in the process of it, don't belittle any fan created material. (I am not saying that you specifically have done that, but in general)

The one has nothing to do with the other.

Both are essential, and must coexist.

[sergiokkl]

what is the difference between using  darkcoin in tor network and using bitcoin on the tor network?

I have more anonymity using darkcoin? why?

thnks

This is where the Official 2 minute animation is useful

Because your coins are premixed using darkcoin.

With Bitcoin transactions can be tracked.

Tor hides your location. Darkcoin privatises the money trail.

Thank you! 

[f2000]

I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.

I think now you are just mean.
How could fan work possibly ever be hurtful to the thing it celebrates?
When has fan art ever hurt music or movies or books, etc?

Unfortunately, it might come across that way...but that's certainty not what I intended.

For example, if a fan uses the "Brand Name" twitter feed for posting their own opinions etc...then of course it could damage the integrity of the brand. I had to unfollow darkcoin on twitter because it sounded like a p&d account.