[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[smoothie]

Haven't looked at the charts in a while. Depth looks nice....

Those big buy walls are likely OTOH.

[110110101]

The Crypto Show with Amanda B Johnson

https://soundcloud.com/heryptohow/amanda-b-johnson-on-dash-and-our-own-proposal-to-the-dash-network

[BrainShutdown]

Plus there are some great community activities and discussions on ground breaking developments.  No use wasting the time on here with idiots.  

A reminder for those looking where 99% of our community is located or for information please visit the following:

These sites are the ones you will get answers to your questions:

https://www.dash.org/forum/  

https://digitalcash.slack.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay

Great community and free of trolls...and great lively discussions.

To anyone looking for more info on dash just look in the above links  

The Crypto Show with Amanda B Johnson

https://soundcloud.com/heryptohow/amanda-b-johnson-on-dash-and-our-own-proposal-to-the-dash-network

Another great interview! Amanda FTW  

Quite amazed with the positive feedback from the interviewers... very impressive  

[gusterdd]

Haven't looked at the charts in a while. Depth looks nice....

https://twitter.com/gusterfafa/status/773830707386814464?s=09



Dash has most good demand/supply ratio.

[coins101]

Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.

Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.

When fixed, start the bounty again.

If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.

You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time  to make a statement over security.

In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there.

Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review.

Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid.

Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing.

Now send me the bounty

I think BigR owes you for that one.  The proposal hasn't gone up or been accepted yet as a formal bounty  

[AlexGR]

The proposal hasn't gone up or been accepted yet as a formal bounty  

I know

[coins101]

The proposal hasn't gone up or been accepted yet as a formal bounty  

I know

In a few months everyone will forget about your post (probably a few days). I'll recycle it as my idea and claim the bounty. 

[ddink7]

Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.

Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.

When fixed, start the bounty again.

If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.

You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time  to make a statement over security.

In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there.

Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review.

Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid.

Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing.

Now send me the bounty

Wouldn't the eight liquidity providers significantly mitigate or even eliminate that risk? They are constantly mixing, which means that there's a high probability that a "not you" PrivateSend is not your target, but is simply an LP?

[AlexGR]

Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.

Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.

When fixed, start the bounty again.

If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.

You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time  to make a statement over security.

In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there.

Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review.

Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid.

Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing.

Now send me the bounty

Wouldn't the eight liquidity providers significantly mitigate or even eliminate that risk? They are constantly mixing, which means that there's a high probability that a "not you" PrivateSend is not your target, but is simply an LP?

Yes, they would.

[TechorMarketing]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!   

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

[chaeplin]

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[tungfa]

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Please vote - New Proposals are already up
(Good to start the month early ; )
https://www.dashcentral.org/budget

[afbitcoins]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!   

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

That would be interesting to know but I don't see how you could get that info

[iCEBREAKER]

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

The Masternoder count...is still going lower!!!!!!     

~4 Masternoders and falling.  Unbelievable! 

[ddink7]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!   

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

That would be interesting to know but I don't see how you could get that info

Elbereth at one time had gotten a rough idea by the timestamps of "start-many" and/or "vote" commands. I think it may be less than some people think. I know Otoh has been doing OTC trades for a long time; I don't know how many nodes he still has left but it's definitely less than 10% of the network. Elbereth speculated that Evan had about 270 last year. A few other people may have 100 or so, but I think most people (even most Core Team) just have a handful of nodes.

[gusterdd]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!    

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

That would be interesting to know but I don't see how you could get that info

Elbereth at one time had gotten a rough idea by the timestamps of "start-many" and/or "vote" commands. I think it may be less than some people think. I know Otoh has been doing OTC trades for a long time; I don't know how many nodes he still has left but it's definitely less than 10% of the network. Elbereth speculated that Evan had about 270 last year. A few other people may have 100 or so, but I think most people (even most Core Team) just have a handful of nodes.

Masternode owner didn't reduced his node number generally. After pumpping, node number should reduce slowly to 3500, 3000, 2500. BUT they increase node every week, month.  They didn't sell coins.  

[ocminer]

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https://dash.suprnova.cc

currently has 0 % fee promo and is ASIC compatible !

[ddink7]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!    

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

That would be interesting to know but I don't see how you could get that info

Elbereth at one time had gotten a rough idea by the timestamps of "start-many" and/or "vote" commands. I think it may be less than some people think. I know Otoh has been doing OTC trades for a long time; I don't know how many nodes he still has left but it's definitely less than 10% of the network. Elbereth speculated that Evan had about 270 last year. A few other people may have 100 or so, but I think most people (even most Core Team) just have a handful of nodes.

Masternode owner didn't reduced his node number generally. After pumpping, node number should reduce slowly to 3500, 3000, 2500. BUT they increase node every week, month.  They didn't sell coins.  

Why would node numbers ever decrease, unless the economic incentives (MN payments) went away? When Otoh sells 1k Dash to somebody, that new person immediately creates a masternode. You might see a brief blip, but that's about it.

[Riseman]

The Masternode count...is still going higher!!!!!!    

4120+ Masternodes and counting.  Unbelievable!

I am much more concerned with the number of masternode owners than the number of masternodes.

That would be interesting to know but I don't see how you could get that info

Elbereth at one time had gotten a rough idea by the timestamps of "start-many" and/or "vote" commands. I think it may be less than some people think. I know Otoh has been doing OTC trades for a long time; I don't know how many nodes he still has left but it's definitely less than 10% of the network. Elbereth speculated that Evan had about 270 last year. A few other people may have 100 or so, but I think most people (even most Core Team) just have a handful of nodes.

Masternode owner didn't reduced his node number generally. After pumpping, node number should reduce slowly to 3500, 3000, 2500. BUT they increase node every week, month.  They didn't sell coins.  

Why would node numbers ever decrease, unless the economic incentives (MN payments) went away? When Otoh sells 1k Dash to somebody, that new person immediately creates a masternode. You might see a brief blip, but that's about it.

I think it can represent the overall optimism/pessimism of holders. Not the only number itself but also its relation to the whole Dash supply. For example it was steadily increasing before the pump but recently it dipped and remains stuck at the same number as 2 months ago. It can possibly mean the uncertainty on the market and that people are not buying large amounts of Dash anymore unless the situation resolves and becomes more predictable.

Also the total number will naturally increase solely because of supply growth unless some bad fundamentals emerge. What really matters is what part of supply is used in MNs.

[Propulsion]

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I legitimately thought you died.

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