[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[makoto1337]

Looking at all the threads for uninspired altcoins, it's clear that NEM is really unique. Not sure how we got such a great community of people together, but somehow UtopianFuture pulled it off.

Remember guys, no envy.

Also, should someone try to e-mail these guys and ask for photos to use on ournem.com?
https://vimeo.com/85843499

There are some sweet photos online at: http://raskalov-vit.livejournal.com/134512.html
I'm thinking something like this with the crane photoshopped out: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9756/65616424.8c/0_a0bb3_4aa09adb_XXL.jpg

It appears they are fluent in Russian? I would ask them for permission, but if someone that speaks Russian well could get in touch with them, that would be awesome.

I think it is Ukrainian?
They seem to know some English.

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[2Kool4Skewl]

I am supposed to publish the unified stakeholder list today but I have just finished thread 1. I apologize for the delay but I do need some sleep now so will be back at work tomorrow. Be patient  

UP

Are you going to kick anyone else out of the genesis block?

Yes everyone who joined nem by mistake and now think it is not a good idea.

At your discretion, you mean, right?  I still want my stake, but you are forcefully kicking me out.

At the discretion of the development team. Read the disclaimer.

LOL

So, you will just kick out anyone if you don't like what they say.  Wow.

A movement for economic liberty that doesn't allow free speech is worthless.

Free speech is fine. I think you can pretty much say anything you want. We just don't like you. This is voluntary association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association; we cant force the community to stay with you.

You don't like me because of what I said.

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

it is not government. it is free association. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association

Free association, but you get to decide who can associate, right?

[utopianfuture]

I am supposed to publish the unified stakeholder list today but I have just finished thread 1. I apologize for the delay but I do need some sleep now so will be back at work tomorrow. Be patient  

UP

Are you going to kick anyone else out of the genesis block?

Yes everyone who joined nem by mistake and now think it is not a good idea.

At your discretion, you mean, right?  I still want my stake, but you are forcefully kicking me out.

At the discretion of the development team. Read the disclaimer.

LOL

So, you will just kick out anyone if you don't like what they say.  Wow.

A movement for economic liberty that doesn't allow free speech is worthless.

Free speech is fine. I think you can pretty much say anything you want. We just don't like you. This is voluntary association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association; we cant force the community to stay with you.

You don't like me because of what I said.

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

it is not government. it is free association. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association

Free association, but you get to decide who can associate, right?

I can decide who I associate with. A private association/ community can decide what kind of member is accepted within the association/ community.

[makoto1337]

I have an idea. A lot of people were scammed out of 69.5 Bitcoins by this guy who posted a celebratory gif to rub it in their faces. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457575.msg5302833#msg5302833

Then Bumface came up with the idea of creating a new coin, premine it a little and give it to the people who scammed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482339.0

I thought that was really nice.

What about taking one Nem stake and also dividing it up and giving it to the victims?

It's just an idea.

This is a great idea, they are like our brothers. Would be a very nice gesture by NEM community. Very , very good idea j23a. How can we be sure they don't have  NEM stake already ?

I guess we can check their names in the stakeholder's lists. But even if they're in the list I'm sure a few extra coins won't be too bad. Take one stake, see what percentage one of the investors spent, and give them a percentage of one Nem stake.

For example this one guy invested 2 Bitcoins, which is 2.8% of the total invested. If one Nem stake is 1,000,000, then he would get 28,766.98 Nem coins.

It's all just a suggestion, and hopefully my math is correct.

I'm not in trello. It's the first time I've heard of the word.

Everyone here get's an equal stake.

And we are looking for stakeholders that can contribute to the NEM community.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea.

I'm not talking about giving them each one stake, I'm talking about dividing one stake between 149 people who got scammed. At least 200 people got their Nem stake for free, using one stake to help out others is not a big deal. This is supposed to be a no envy movement.

Ok, I'm off to bed. I'll be back tomorrow.

Another idea is to signup with the micro-lending charity Kiva. Bitcoin already has a team.
http://www.kiva.org/team/bitcoin

We will be kiva.org/team/NEM

In addition to receiving fiat, the borrowers will also receive a portion in NEM directly to their wallet. Later to be traded with each other or sold on an exchange. This would be good exposure for NEM and could develop into the first major introduction of cryptocurrency to the thousands in need of a loan.

KIVA is a great idea. Still, they do charge excessive interest to the people they lend money too. That being said, I lend on Kiva.

[2Kool4Skewl]

I am supposed to publish the unified stakeholder list today but I have just finished thread 1. I apologize for the delay but I do need some sleep now so will be back at work tomorrow. Be patient  

UP

Are you going to kick anyone else out of the genesis block?

Yes everyone who joined nem by mistake and now think it is not a good idea.

At your discretion, you mean, right?  I still want my stake, but you are forcefully kicking me out.

At the discretion of the development team. Read the disclaimer.

LOL

So, you will just kick out anyone if you don't like what they say.  Wow.

A movement for economic liberty that doesn't allow free speech is worthless.

Free speech is fine. I think you can pretty much say anything you want. We just don't like you. This is voluntary association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association; we cant force the community to stay with you.

You don't like me because of what I said.

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

it is not government. it is free association. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association

Free association, but you get to decide who can associate, right?

I can decide who I associate with. A private association/ community can decide what kind of member is accepted within the association/ community.

That's not true.  I'm associating with the community.  Under your logic, they should decide if I should stay.  They are holding a mob vote.  The voting results are currently in favor that I can stay, but you said it was only your decision.

[Eadeqa]

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

Exactly. It was you taking personal offence. There is no evidence this decision was made by other "developers" or the community. It was just YOU deciding you were going to kick out someone after the IPO ended.

[utopianfuture]

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

Exactly. It was you taking personal offence. There is no evidence this decision was made by other "developers" or the community. It was just YOU deciding you were going to kick out someone after the IPO ended.

Again it is not an IPO. Read my earlier post to understand what NEM is. New Economy Movement is an community/ association/ movement. You paid a fee to join NEM not to buy a stake.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg5329947#msg5329947

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430467.msg5329482#msg5329482

[xtester]

Utopianfuture thanks for all the hard work.

Go get some sleep now, you sure deserve it.

Take your time with the list, we'll be here waiting when you're ready anyway.

[2Kool4Skewl]

You paid a fee to join NEM not to buy a stake.

This is the same thing.  By joining Nem, you get a stake.  Supposedly.

You paid a fee to ask to join NEM not to buy a stake.

FIFY

[j23a]

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

Exactly. It was you taking personal offence. There is no evidence this decision was made by other "developers" or the community. It was just YOU deciding you were going to kick out someone after the IPO ended.

Why is it that when 2kool starts complaining on this thread he has like an entourage of people coming in here with him?

Utopian decided because he's the one running this thing the way he set it up, with support of everyone in the community who were complaining about 2kool bashing and putting down NEM. Calling Nem a scam.

Then 2kool comes with more of his irrational arguments, but this time with his buddy trolls.

[utopianfuture]

Utopianfuture thanks for all the hard work.

Go get some sleep now, you sure deserve it.

Take your time with the list, we'll be here waiting when you're ready anyway.

Yeah, I think it is times. I am 2 hour late for the bedtime

[utopianfuture]

You paid a fee to join NEM not to buy a stake.

This is the same thing.  By joining Nem, you get a stake.  Supposedly.

You paid a fee to ask to join NEM not to buy a stake.

FIFY

By joining NEM, you are supposed to support NEM's first principle of " building a new decentralized platform" as well.

[Thingamajig]

That's not true.  I'm associating with the community.  Under your logic, they should decide if I should stay.  They are holding a mob vote.  The voting results are currently in favor that I can stay, but you said it was only your decision.

Lmao - since when did mobs cast votes? (especially ones that are clearly in favor of the "victim")

Kool, seriously, whats your agenda? (Divide and conquer, perhaps? ) I for one think this entire thing is completely unnecessary.

[conbos]

I am supposed to publish the unified stakeholder list today but I have just finished thread 1. I apologize for the delay but I do need some sleep now so will be back at work tomorrow. Be patient  

UP

Are you going to kick anyone else out of the genesis block?

Yes everyone who joined nem by mistake and now think it is not a good idea.

At your discretion, you mean, right?  I still want my stake, but you are forcefully kicking me out.

At the discretion of the development team. Read the disclaimer.

LOL

So, you will just kick out anyone if you don't like what they say.  Wow.

A movement for economic liberty that doesn't allow free speech is worthless.

Free speech is fine. I think you can pretty much say anything you want. We just don't like you. This is voluntary association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association; we cant force the community to stay with you.

You don't like me because of what I said.

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

it is not government. it is free association. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association

Free association, but you get to decide who can associate, right?

I can decide who I associate with. A private association/ community can decide what kind of member is accepted within the association/ community.

That's not true.  I'm associating with the community.  Under your logic, they should decide if I should stay.  They are holding a mob vote.  The voting results are currently in favor that I can stay, but you said it was only your decision.

I am going to give my personal opinion here...
Freedom of speech is important and should be preserved and defended at any cost. But, come on 2Kool4Skewl , you have an obvious conflict of interest here. Your opinion has an agenda; and I would like to read a disclaimer from you about it. In that case, your opinion can be weighted properly for the rest of the community and the newbies that are out of context

[utopianfuture]

That's not true.  I'm associating with the community.  Under your logic, they should decide if I should stay.  They are holding a mob vote.  The voting results are currently in favor that I can stay, but you said it was only your decision.

Lmao - since when did mobs cast votes? (especially ones that are clearly in favor of the "victim")

Kool, seriously, whats your agenda? I for one think this entire thing is completely unnecessary.

He is one of 10 million + nxt stakeholder so he doesnt really need or want nem stake. It is just a pure act of sabotaging. But I would like to see how good his reasoning is holding up.
I have many friends in next community and some of them  holds millions of nxt so his acting is kind of an anomaly. It is kind of dissapointing that he may think he acts in the benefit of nxt.

[2Kool4Skewl]

You paid a fee to join NEM not to buy a stake.

This is the same thing.  By joining Nem, you get a stake.  Supposedly.

You paid a fee to ask to join NEM not to buy a stake.

FIFY

By joining NEM, you are supposed to support NEM's first principle of " building a new decentralized platform" as well.

I am going to give my personal opinion here...
Freedom of speech is important and should be preserved and defended at any cost. But, come on 2Kool4Skewl , you have an obvious conflict of interest here. Your opinion has an agenda; and I would like to read a disclaimer from you about it. In that case, your opinion can be weighted properly for the rest of the community and the newbies that are out of context

All I said was that I didn't think it was ethical to be collecting Nxt / Btc and giving them little innovation.

[2Kool4Skewl]

That's not true.  I'm associating with the community.  Under your logic, they should decide if I should stay.  They are holding a mob vote.  The voting results are currently in favor that I can stay, but you said it was only your decision.

Lmao - since when did mobs cast votes? (especially ones that are clearly in favor of the "victim")

Kool, seriously, whats your agenda? I for one think this entire thing is completely unnecessary.

He is one of 10 million + nxt stakeholder so he doesnt really need or want nem stake. It is just a pure act of sabotaging. But I would like to see how good his reasoning is holding up.

You make a lot of assumptions.  How do you know how much I have?

[gu7008]

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

Exactly. It was you taking personal offence. There is no evidence this decision was made by other "developers" or the community. It was just YOU deciding you were going to kick out someone after the IPO ended.

Why is it that when 2kool starts complaining on this thread he has like an entourage of people coming in here with him?

Utopian decided because he's the one running this thing the way he set it up, with support of everyone in the community who were complaining about 2kool bashing and putting down NEM. Calling Nem a scam.

Then 2kool comes with more of his irrational arguments, but this time with his buddy trolls.

I think 2kool simply just want be a troll here. And deliberately so, not passionately. He don't like NEM, he don't want it succeed out in the world. He is not here for an argument, and nobody can wake a man pretending to be in sleep.

He just want to sow as much discord here as he can. I suggest, don't waste any energy on him any more and move on.

[ashapasa]

I think he loves the attention , please ignore and lets move foward.

[2Kool4Skewl]

Yeah I don't like what you said about NEM.

Exactly. It was you taking personal offence. There is no evidence this decision was made by other "developers" or the community. It was just YOU deciding you were going to kick out someone after the IPO ended.

Why is it that when 2kool starts complaining on this thread he has like an entourage of people coming in here with him?

Utopian decided because he's the one running this thing the way he set it up, with support of everyone in the community who were complaining about 2kool bashing and putting down NEM. Calling Nem a scam.

Then 2kool comes with more of his irrational arguments, but this time with his buddy trolls.

I think 2kool simply just want be a troll here. And deliberately so, not passionately. He don't like NEM, he don't want it succeed out in the world. He is not here for an argument, and nobody can wake a man pretending to be in sleep.

He just want to sow as much discord here as he can. I suggest, don't waste any energy on him any more and move on.

I think he loves the attention , please ignore and lets move foward.

You are wrong.  I raised my objection, because I was looking out for the interests of the community.  I didn't see a lot of innovation imo and I saw a lot of Nxt / Btc being collected.