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Author Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread  (Read 661424 times)
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May 13, 2014, 04:13:17 PM
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Perhaps "I belong to gifex" would do the trick. Smiley
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May 13, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
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The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


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May 13, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
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Perhaps "I belong to gifex" would do the trick. Smiley

Alright, ready. i have maked message "I belong to gifex". And i got one long signature text, what is this text for? i must sent this signature text to utopian or what?
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May 13, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
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Perhaps "I belong to gifex" would do the trick. Smiley

Alright, ready. i have maked message "I belong to gifex". And i got one long signature text, what is this text for? i must sent this signature text to utopian or what?

You can put it here and I can verify it. It is an instructive exercise as well. May I ask why does it take you so long to do this? because the duplicate hash table has been up more than 2 months I think. It is worrying because if the pre-launch option has been enabled then the fraudster could cash out and I would not be able to put you back in.


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May 13, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
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The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


I am skeptical about bitshare economic model. I don't think the way they peg bitusd arbitrarily to $ could work in practice. Lending business is pretty difficult to do with bitcoin because of its deflation nature so i am interested so see if anyone can come up with a viable model.     


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May 13, 2014, 05:24:59 PM
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The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


I am skeptical about bitshare economic model. I don't think the way they peg bitusd arbitrarily to $ could work in practice. Lending business is pretty difficult to do with bitcoin because of its deflation nature so i am interested so see if anyone can come up with a viable model.    

well it has worked in the past, i don't see any reason why it couldn't work in a decentralized manner.

Lets say you have 100 NEM, you put it in the bank, bank gives you 100 BANKNEMS, NEM value drops from $1 too $0.50, you withdraw your nems, you end up with 200NEM. BANKNEMS are what you would use for day to day transactions as there is no volatility.

This way you have the option too:
1. Hold nem, in order to speculate on the price and make money
2. hold banknems for a safe and stable currency

This model fails when a bank run occurs. There are ways to mitigate this, such as a portion of the transaction fees and/or mined nem go towards the nem bank.

Another option is to have an autonomous system to buy and sell nem (increase and decrease the supply of nem) in order to stabalize the price. A better option but much more difficult to pull off, you would also need a significant amount of funds.

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May 13, 2014, 05:38:51 PM
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The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.


I am skeptical about bitshare economic model. I don't think the way they peg bitusd arbitrarily to $ could work in practice. Lending business is pretty difficult to do with bitcoin because of its deflation nature so i am interested so see if anyone can come up with a viable model.     

Maybe a NEM stabilization fund would do the trick for volatility.

As for Bitcoin lending, here is a startup trying to do just that. https://btcjam.com/
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May 13, 2014, 06:14:29 PM
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Perhaps "I belong to gifex" would do the trick. Smiley

Alright, ready. i have maked message "I belong to gifex". And i got one long signature text, what is this text for? i must sent this signature text to utopian or what?

You can put it here and I can verify it. It is an instructive exercise as well. May I ask why does it take you so long to do this? because the duplicate hash table has been up more than 2 months I think. It is worrying because if the pre-launch option has been enabled then the fraudster could cash out and I would not be able to put you back in.

Hi, signature text are: HNJhDEw/4+4kanq48ePtRKiOL4wprAAo0WnjaBo+l0iYntyOWRS3iptxGkbxDlT4ns3z+uBsmU6tqPZLEBoRyOo=

and "May I ask why does it take you so long to do this? because the duplicate hash table has been up more than 2 months I think."

i have sent you message about this scammer 2 months ago (PM on Bitcointalk) but you have not respont it. i very sorry for that, i have needed at once to post about this problem in this theard. i hope i will get my NEM stake.
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May 13, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

NEM - New Economy Movement - http://blog.nem.io/overview/ | www.reddit.com/r/nem | https://www.facebook.com/ourNEM | https://twitter.com/nemcoin
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May 13, 2014, 07:12:35 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

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May 13, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

Premine is the wrong term. There is no mining and since all coins are created at one point in time there is no "pre".
Who in their right mind would harm a project - by dumping - after putting in countless hours of their free time?

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May 13, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

Premine is the wrong term. There is no mining and since all coins are created at one point in time there is no "pre".
Who in their right mind would harm a project - by dumping - after putting in countless hours of their free time?

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May 13, 2014, 07:38:03 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

Premine is the wrong term. There is no mining and since all coins are created at one point in time there is no "pre".
Who in their right mind would harm a project - by dumping - after putting in countless hours of their free time?

BCNext



yeah well, tantrums are always a possibilty Smiley

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May 13, 2014, 07:43:58 PM
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It sounds like a lot but further ongoing development is not going to be cheap. Marketing costs an arm and a leg these days. Having looked around forums there is no end to people pissed that they have to keep parting with their own personal $$$ to pay for such.

I would much rather the capital be there and used to advance our cause than more given to those that don't really care.
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May 13, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
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Man i still remember the IPO forum thread of NXT, i read his post asking people to donate bitcoin into his bitcoin address. It was so unprofessional and felt like it was just another scam. He had a prototype and i had no idea what i was looking at.

Damn do i regret not investing...

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May 13, 2014, 08:12:53 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

Premine is the wrong term. There is no mining and since all coins are created at one point in time there is no "pre".
Who in their right mind would harm a project - by dumping - after putting in countless hours of their free time?

Pat is correct. Everything is allocated on launch so there is no "pre" or "post", however 10% under development team control is committed to be used AFTER V1 blockchain completion. That amount would probably take quite sometimes (NXT took 6-7 months since the genesis block to launch the distributed AE) to get into the market.


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May 13, 2014, 08:16:18 PM
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Perhaps "I belong to gifex" would do the trick. Smiley

Alright, ready. i have maked message "I belong to gifex". And i got one long signature text, what is this text for? i must sent this signature text to utopian or what?

You can put it here and I can verify it. It is an instructive exercise as well. May I ask why does it take you so long to do this? because the duplicate hash table has been up more than 2 months I think. It is worrying because if the pre-launch option has been enabled then the fraudster could cash out and I would not be able to put you back in.

Hi, signature text are: HNJhDEw/4+4kanq48ePtRKiOL4wprAAo0WnjaBo+l0iYntyOWRS3iptxGkbxDlT4ns3z+uBsmU6tqPZLEBoRyOo=

and "May I ask why does it take you so long to do this? because the duplicate hash table has been up more than 2 months I think."

i have sent you message about this scammer 2 months ago (PM on Bitcointalk) but you have not respont it. i very sorry for that, i have needed at once to post about this problem in this theard. i hope i will get my NEM stake.

Thanks. I will swap you in. I might have missed your pm. sorry for that but it is better you post the complaint in public and we have the complaint thread for that purpose.


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May 13, 2014, 08:45:48 PM
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The team is working on this part time while we have our regular jobs as well. That being said, we are getting really close to have a stable platform that will form the testnet. I think people will be impressed by our work once the alpha is out.

I wouldn't go that far...
I mean from a normal's person/computer user POV, I don't think there will be much "on the outside" to be really impressed.

But as the saying goes, you don't judge the book by it's cover.

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May 13, 2014, 08:55:09 PM
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I've added recent updates to the F.A.Q. thread.

hmmm...

Lets just hope the developers don't dump their 25% premine.

Premine is the wrong term. There is no mining and since all coins are created at one point in time there is no "pre".
Who in their right mind would harm a project - by dumping - after putting in countless hours of their free time?

By now, it should be obvious to every sensible person that this project has a quite different dynamic and purpose, not only compared to any shitcoin/scam coin project out there but even compared to the other promising and interesting projects.
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May 13, 2014, 08:59:08 PM
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It sounds like a lot but further ongoing development is not going to be cheap. Marketing costs an arm and a leg these days. Having looked around forums there is no end to people pissed that they have to keep parting with their own personal $$$ to pay for such.

I would much rather the capital be there and used to advance our cause than more given to those that don't really care.

Totally agree.

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