Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[BobK71]

When the two countries come together in a big tournament they can play but despite these, there is no series between them. There may be political issues between the two countries but it should not bring in cricket. However, ICC does not play any role in this regard. As the controller of cricket, they have no action to solve this problem in this regard.

ICC is just a dummy body, real power is in big 3. There won't be any India Pakistan series in next decade atleast but this has made there encounters in world cup even more interesting. The recent T20I match in worldcup last year was a thriller and no one was expecting Pakistan to win the game and that too with 10 wickets.

It is wrong to expect anything from ICC. They live on the money generated by big boards and therefore they will not take any action against them especially BCCI. Until the political issue is resolved you will not be able to see any bilateral series between Pakistan and India. The only event where these two teams will face each other are ICC tournaments.

I don't find any major political issues between them that would prevent them from arranging the series. However, after the game, there was a kind of reaction between the spectators of the two countries, which sometimes turned into a conflict. But that is nothing more than just a war of words. But it seems to me that there is a feud between the two countries for this reason such series cannot be arranged.

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[Naficopa]

India and Pakistan are not over with what has happened in 1947 and the bitterness will stay there forever.
Obviously when there is a match between India and Pakistan. The crowd is charged and the whole nation is charged too. They can't accept defeat - not at any cost.

I am going to say about India and Pakistan I am actually over with what happened in 1947. At least most of the people are. There are only a certain amount of people in both countries who do not want this war to end. So they chose a path of conflict. And we know that the media of both countries are not independent. So the media does the job of pouring petrol into the fire.
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I am going to throw a little light on it. I think Indian are more rigid. See for example may Pakistani stars go cross border and work there. For example Atif Aslam - Ali Zafar - Mahira Khan. But hardly any artist is allowed to come to Pakistan . Would Amitab Bachan come to Pakistan to visit. No he would never.

[Minor Miner]

When the two countries come together in a big tournament they can play but despite these, there is no series between them. There may be political issues between the two countries but it should not bring in cricket. However, ICC does not play any role in this regard. As the controller of cricket, they have no action to solve this problem in this regard.

ICC is just a dummy body, real power is in big 3. There won't be any India Pakistan series in next decade atleast but this has made there encounters in world cup even more interesting. The recent T20I match in worldcup last year was a thriller and no one was expecting Pakistan to win the game and that too with 10 wickets.

It is wrong to expect anything from ICC. They live on the money generated by big boards and therefore they will not take any action against them especially BCCI. Until the political issue is resolved you will not be able to see any bilateral series between Pakistan and India. The only event where these two teams will face each other are ICC tournaments.

The conflict between Pakistan and India dates back to their independence. And if this conflict is not resolved politically, there is no reason to watch India vs Pakistan bilateral series. Since no team is interested in playing a bilateral series here, I don't think ICC has anything to do here. They cannot force a board to organize a series.

[noormcs5]

Hard to find any concrete solution as far as profits goes. Only 3 nation "Usual suspects" earn money from Tests. Everyone else is losing money if they are not playing against those 3.

How about these three nations play tests with weaker teams like South Africa , Bangladesh or West Indies? Will they still earn the money or is it if they play against themselves?
I guess if these three nations play against Pakistan and New Zealand, they still attract the ICC for profits.

[ilovealtcoins]

Hard to find any concrete solution as far as profits goes. Only 3 nation "Usual suspects" earn money from Tests. Everyone else is losing money if they are not playing against those 3.

How about these three nations play tests with weaker teams like South Africa , Bangladesh or West Indies? Will they still earn the money or is it if they play against themselves?
I guess if these three nations play against Pakistan and New Zealand, they still attract the ICC for profits.

The problem is when they are going to play against each other, these four teams are going to generate more revenue compared to when they are going to play against weaker opponents. So they are obviously not going to be interested in playing against weaker opponents. At this point, the situation is not good with test cricket at all. In this day and age, test cricket is irrelevant wait the regular life of people. I am quite sure that if the big four didn’t have any good statistics in test cricket and if they did not earn as much as they do they also wouldn’t be interested in keeping test cricket as a format of cricket.

[JSRAW]

That is very true. Pakistan is the one who is suffering the most because of not having any India versus Pakistan series. And for a long time, it felt like Pakistan was dependent on others. But right now it feels like Pakistan is trying to get out of that situation and Pakistan is also trying to do things in their own way. I appreciate the approach from Pakistan. But I really doubt that Pakistan will be able to generate the amount of revenue that India is able to generate.

IMO lack of Ind vs pak bilateral series is the best thing happened to PCB. Yes they are deprived of making huge amount of money but at the same time this single move made them self reliant and they are the only cricket board, which doesn't depend solely on BCCI for series. That's a commendable achievement, i also believe that they have shown the roadmap to other smaller nation about how to survive if they are not receiving any favor from BCCI.

Hard to find any concrete solution as far as profits goes. Only 3 nation "Usual suspects" earn money from Tests. Everyone else is losing money if they are not playing against those 3.

How about these three nations play tests with weaker teams like South Africa , Bangladesh or West Indies? Will they still earn the money or is it if they play against themselves?
I guess if these three nations play against Pakistan and New Zealand, they still attract the ICC for profits.

They already play plenty of cricket with SA, WI (BAN - Only India play with em regularly), at least Ind does. Also BIG-2 (Eng and Ind) play fair amount of cricket with WI too on regular basis but their financial practices are not good, that's why they are in mess.

Apart from Ind-Eng-Aus, no one else making money in Test cricket. In fact each n every nation lose money that's why they play smaller series (2 matches)

[Sithara007]

They already play plenty of cricket with SA, WI (BAN - Only India play with em regularly), at least Ind does. Also BIG-2 (Eng and Ind) play fair amount of cricket with WI too on regular basis but their financial practices are not good, that's why they are in mess.

Apart from Ind-Eng-Aus, no one else making money in Test cricket. In fact each n every nation lose money that's why they play smaller series (2 matches)

We are no longer living in the 90s. World has become more fast paced and there is hardly any room for 5-day cricket. The only option to move forward is to create separate squads for test cricket and T20 cricket, and to dump ODI cricket altogether. If there is a separate squad for test, then these teams can play 12-13 matches per year without worrying about all these franchise leagues. The problem here is that some of the teams such as Bangladesh and West Indies may not have enough talent pool available for two separate squads.

[JSRAW]

They already play plenty of cricket with SA, WI (BAN - Only India play with em regularly), at least Ind does. Also BIG-2 (Eng and Ind) play fair amount of cricket with WI too on regular basis but their financial practices are not good, that's why they are in mess.

Apart from Ind-Eng-Aus, no one else making money in Test cricket. In fact each n every nation lose money that's why they play smaller series (2 matches)

We are no longer living in the 90s. World has become more fast paced and there is hardly any room for 5-day cricket. The only option to move forward is to create separate squads for test cricket and T20 cricket, and to dump ODI cricket altogether. If there is a separate squad for test, then these teams can play 12-13 matches per year without worrying about all these franchise leagues. The problem here is that some of the teams such as Bangladesh and West Indies may not have enough talent pool available for two separate squads.

ODI bilateral series seems waste to fans. At the same time ODI WC still has vast majority of takers among the fans so i won't mind it if they keep it.

BIG -3 and NZ are almost moved to different squad for different format formula but it's tough for others due to very same reason you mentioned.

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BTW BCCI kinda introduced relegation system in Ranji. I didn't looked at it yet but this does sound interesting. Guess in near future we won't have many mismatch fixtures in domestic. 

[Sithara007]

BTW BCCI kinda introduced relegation system in Ranji. I didn't looked at it yet but this does sound interesting. Guess in near future we won't have many mismatch fixtures in domestic. 

I thought that they already had a promotion-relegation system in Ranji Trophy. For the last season, there was a Plate Group which was consisted of 6 teams (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Sikkim). 4 teams that were earlier part of the Plate Group in previous season were placed in the main group for 2021 (Goa, Puducherry, Chandigarh and Meghalaya). Now I don't have any idea about how they are going to place the teams for this season. Nagaland finished on top of Plate Group last season, so most probably they will be placed in the main group this time.

[Juggy777]

India versus Pakistan cricket has always been a center for various types of people to enjoy cricket. These two teams are the best at attracting people. Two of the best teams in the subcontinent. It’s a shame that they are not currently playing against each other for a long time. That has certainly dropped some viewers and decreased the interest of a lot of people in cricket. This is one of the series which actually attracted a lot of neutral fans. Just because of some dumb politicians cricket is suffering really badly in this region. And I have to say ultimately the blame is going to go to India because Pakistan is trying to do better.

I do not endorse political influence in any kind of sports but with India and Pakistan, the situation is completely different. Both countries have a good amount of talent pool for a lot of sports. At the moment India is able to utilize the talent which is evident with the number of medals India has been getting in the Commonwealth games.

Regarding cricket, I do not think Indian cricket or BCCI is suffering for not playing against Pakistan in a bilateral series. The Indian board has been churning a lot of money through IPL and the Indian team has been playing a lot of cricket globally when compared with the number of games being played by Pakistan. No one cares what the Pakistan board is trying as long as BCCI generates the highest revenue from cricket and donates a part of it to ICC.

Yes these days whole cricket world including ICC is under BCCI and primary reason is IPL. India has given new life to cricket which has very limited money but now a days IPL is paying cricketers equivalent to what English Premier league is paying. PCB ha lots of talent but doesnt generate much money thats why no one cares for Pakistan.

What you said these words are right but what Pakistan said here I think the reason they may not participate here is that there is a conflict between India and Pakistan but if we look here we can see that India and Pakistan  The reason we don't get to see a game is because I think there's a problem between them that's why we never get to see their team play

I believe that the political scenario in India and Pakistan is not good for a home and away series, hence it makes sense why these two are not playing against each other in a test series. Furthermore had they been playing regular test cricket then I feel that Pant could have done what Sehwag did in Pakistan i.e. score a triple century, because at times Pant reminds me of him.

[JSRAW]

BTW BCCI kinda introduced relegation system in Ranji. I didn't looked at it yet but this does sound interesting. Guess in near future we won't have many mismatch fixtures in domestic.  

I thought that they already had a promotion-relegation system in Ranji Trophy. For the last season, there was a Plate Group which was consisted of 6 teams (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Sikkim). 4 teams that were earlier part of the Plate Group in previous season were placed in the main group for 2021 (Goa, Puducherry, Chandigarh and Meghalaya). Now I don't have any idea about how they are going to place the teams for this season. Nagaland finished on top of Plate Group last season, so most probably they will be placed in the main group this time.

Elite Group: 32 teams will be divided into 4 groups

Plate Group : Same as last year i suppose, mainly northeast ( 6 teams)

- This time they will move bottom 2 teams from Elite group to Plate group and similarly Top 2 teams from Plate group will replace the Bottom Elite teams in next season.
- Also there will be 2 Ranji winners for each group and no Elite vs Plate fixtures.

[rugrats]

That is very true. Pakistan is the one who is suffering the most because of not having any India versus Pakistan series. And for a long time, it felt like Pakistan was dependent on others. But right now it feels like Pakistan is trying to get out of that situation and Pakistan is also trying to do things in their own way. I appreciate the approach from Pakistan. But I really doubt that Pakistan will be able to generate the amount of revenue that India is able to generate.

IMO lack of Ind vs pak bilateral series is the best thing happened to PCB. Yes they are deprived of making huge amount of money but at the same time this single move made them self reliant and they are the only cricket board, which doesn't depend solely on BCCI for series. That's a commendable achievement, i also believe that they have shown the roadmap to other smaller nation about how to survive if they are not receiving any favor from BCCI.

That Indian cricket board knew that if they do not play with Pakistan and can show the problem of terrorism to be the main cause of it, the Pakistan cricket world is going to suffer a lot. And that did happen. The Pakistan cricket board and Pakistan cricket as a whole suffered a lot because the other cricket boards also began to be a lot concerned and did not want to play with Pakistan especially when Pakistan wanted to be the hosting team. But now Pakistan is trying to overcome that. And now they are trying to be independent which I think they are going to be successful in doing.

[Sithara007]

BTW BCCI kinda introduced relegation system in Ranji. I didn't looked at it yet but this does sound interesting. Guess in near future we won't have many mismatch fixtures in domestic.  

I thought that they already had a promotion-relegation system in Ranji Trophy. For the last season, there was a Plate Group which was consisted of 6 teams (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Sikkim). 4 teams that were earlier part of the Plate Group in previous season were placed in the main group for 2021 (Goa, Puducherry, Chandigarh and Meghalaya). Now I don't have any idea about how they are going to place the teams for this season. Nagaland finished on top of Plate Group last season, so most probably they will be placed in the main group this time.

Elite Group: 32 teams will be divided into 4 groups

Plate Group : Same as last year i suppose, mainly northeast ( 6 teams)

- This time they will move bottom 2 teams from Elite group to Plate group and similarly Top 2 teams from Plate group will replace the Bottom Elite teams in next season.
- Also there will be 2 Ranji winners for each group and no Elite vs Plate fixtures.

OK.. so the promotion/relegation system was not implemented for this season. Another thing the BCCI should take in to account is the trend where some of the smaller states and union territories (Puducherry, Chandigarh.etc) field teams where 90% of the players are mercenaries (i.e originally from other states). This has enabled them to progress to the Elite group, at the expense of the teams that field native players (such as Manipur and Mizoram). There should be a limit on the number of players from other states who can represent these teams. 

[JSRAW]

IMO lack of Ind vs pak bilateral series is the best thing happened to PCB. Yes they are deprived of making huge amount of money but at the same time this single move made them self reliant and they are the only cricket board, which doesn't depend solely on BCCI for series. That's a commendable achievement, i also believe that they have shown the roadmap to other smaller nation about how to survive if they are not receiving any favor from BCCI.

That Indian cricket board knew that if they do not play with Pakistan and can show the problem of terrorism to be the main cause of it, the Pakistan cricket world is going to suffer a lot. And that did happen. The Pakistan cricket board and Pakistan cricket as a whole suffered a lot because the other cricket boards also began to be a lot concerned and did not want to play with Pakistan especially when Pakistan wanted to be the hosting team. But now Pakistan is trying to overcome that. And now they are trying to be independent which I think they are going to be successful in doing.

BCCI didn't showed anything. It was on live tv for everybody to see when Sri Lankan team got attacked. Pakistan cricket did suffered immensely but terror attack on cricketers wasn't yahodi or hindu sajis (figure of speech). And after that we can't blame other cricketing nations to not send their teams.

As of now Rambo is doing good for Pakistan cricket and i hope he keep going like this in coming years.
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Btw that wasn't my overall point. My main point was to highlight that other smaller cricket boards can learn thing or 2 from the PCB specially new management.

Elite Group: 32 teams will be divided into 4 groups

Plate Group : Same as last year i suppose, mainly northeast ( 6 teams)

- This time they will move bottom 2 teams from Elite group to Plate group and similarly Top 2 teams from Plate group will replace the Bottom Elite teams in next season.
- Also there will be 2 Ranji winners for each group and no Elite vs Plate fixtures.

OK.. so the promotion/relegation system was not implemented for this season. Another thing the BCCI should take in to account is the trend where some of the smaller states and union territories (Puducherry, Chandigarh.etc) field teams where 90% of the players are mercenaries (i.e originally from other states). This has enabled them to progress to the Elite group, at the expense of the teams that field native players (such as Manipur and Mizoram). There should be a limit on the number of players from other states who can represent these teams. 

Already implemented from this season but changes will come after the final result ofc.

I won't use word "mercenaries" as i don't mind players relocating due to lack of opportunities in their home states.

[Sithara007]

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Already implemented from this season but changes will come after the final result ofc.

I won't use word "mercenaries" as i don't mind players relocating due to lack of opportunities in their home states.

I am not comfortable with teams such as Puducherry and Chandigarh playing in the elite group, solely due to players sourced from other states. If any of the players feel that they are not getting enough opportunities, then let them play for lower ranking teams such as Goa or Tripura. What is the point in having separate teams for these small UTs? In that case, even Andaman, Ladakh and Lakshadweep needs to have its own team. In case of Delhi, I don't have a problem because it is always considered as a separate state. But Chandigarh for example, is definitely not a state.

[BobK71]

That is very true. Pakistan is the one who is suffering the most because of not having any India versus Pakistan series. And for a long time, it felt like Pakistan was dependent on others. But right now it feels like Pakistan is trying to get out of that situation and Pakistan is also trying to do things in their own way. I appreciate the approach from Pakistan. But I really doubt that Pakistan will be able to generate the amount of revenue that India is able to generate.

IMO lack of Ind vs pak bilateral series is the best thing happened to PCB. Yes they are deprived of making huge amount of money but at the same time this single move made them self reliant and they are the only cricket board, which doesn't depend solely on BCCI for series. That's a commendable achievement, i also believe that they have shown the roadmap to other smaller nation about how to survive if they are not receiving any favor from BCCI.

That Indian cricket board knew that if they do not play with Pakistan and can show the problem of terrorism to be the main cause of it, the Pakistan cricket world is going to suffer a lot. And that did happen. The Pakistan cricket board and Pakistan cricket as a whole suffered a lot because the other cricket boards also began to be a lot concerned and did not want to play with Pakistan especially when Pakistan wanted to be the hosting team. But now Pakistan is trying to overcome that. And now they are trying to be independent which I think they are going to be successful in doing.

Cricket Associates in their country, including the Pakistan Cricket Board, is trying to get Pakistan back to its previous level. When no foreign player wanted to play in their country, they left their country and arranged to host the game in the United Arab Emirates. Even the T20 League PSL organizes in UAE. They are very passionate about cricket which we can reflect in their game. In the meantime, Pakistan has once again made a good position in the world cricket. We should not thought cricket as a political arms.

[JSRAW]

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Already implemented from this season but changes will come after the final result ofc.

I won't use word "mercenaries" as i don't mind players relocating due to lack of opportunities in their home states.

I am not comfortable with teams such as Puducherry and Chandigarh playing in the elite group, solely due to players sourced from other states. If any of the players feel that they are not getting enough opportunities, then let them play for lower ranking teams such as Goa or Tripura. What is the point in having separate teams for these small UTs? In that case, even Andaman, Ladakh and Lakshadweep needs to have its own team. In case of Delhi, I don't have a problem because it is always considered as a separate state. But Chandigarh for example, is definitely not a state.

Many of the players already do exactly this. We all know populated States like UP has only 1 team, where will young players will go and build up their career? Not everyone is equipped to go abroad and play for another country like Unmukt chand etc so the best these young players can do is to migrate other states.

Yes, current state board system has it flaws but two wrongs don't make one right.

[Sithara007]

Many of the players already do exactly this. We all know populated States like UP has only 1 team, where will young players will go and build up their career? Not everyone is equipped to go abroad and play for another country like Unmukt chand etc so the best these young players can do is to migrate other states.

Yes, current state board system has it flaws but two wrongs don't make one right.

First and foremost, a first-class domestic system can never be effective if there are a total of 38 teams. 38 teams means around 500 first class players and the standard get automatically diluted as a result. Even in England, they have only 18 first class teams, although these county sides have been playing for hundreds of years. For me, my argument will be exactly the opposite. Rather then good players opting to play for smaller states, the system is encouraging below average players to leach off the BCCI funds. 

[posi]

Many of the players already do exactly this. We all know populated States like UP has only 1 team, where will young players will go and build up their career? Not everyone is equipped to go abroad and play for another country like Unmukt chand etc so the best these young players can do is to migrate other states.

Yes, current state board system has it flaws but two wrongs don't make one right.

First and foremost, a first-class domestic system can never be effective if there are a total of 38 teams. 38 teams means around 500 first class players and the standard get automatically diluted as a result. Even in England, they have only 18 first class teams, although these county sides have been playing for hundreds of years. For me, my argument will be exactly the opposite. Rather then good players opting to play for smaller states, the system is encouraging below average players to leach off the BCCI funds. 

But that is a problem that will come because India has a huge population. Cricket is so popular that almost every other kid is interested in playing cricket professionally. There are also a lot of states in India. So it is obvious that there are going to be a lot more teams.

In India people really try to show their local power at times. so that is a reason for so many teams. At this moment it feels like first-class cricket does not have too many effective decision-making capabilities. What I mean is BCCI is just picking players based on first-class scores. And those players are playing for the IPL and if they do well they are in the team, if they don't they are out.

[rugrats]

That Indian cricket board knew that if they do not play with Pakistan and can show the problem of terrorism to be the main cause of it, the Pakistan cricket world is going to suffer a lot. And that did happen. The Pakistan cricket board and Pakistan cricket as a whole suffered a lot because the other cricket boards also began to be a lot concerned and did not want to play with Pakistan especially when Pakistan wanted to be the hosting team. But now Pakistan is trying to overcome that. And now they are trying to be independent which I think they are going to be successful in doing.

BCCI didn't showed anything. It was on live tv for everybody to see when Sri Lankan team got attacked. Pakistan cricket did suffered immensely but terror attack on cricketers wasn't yahodi or hindu sajis (figure of speech). And after that we can't blame other cricketing nations to not send their teams.
As of now Rambo is doing good for Pakistan cricket and i hope he keep going like this in coming years.

So, a terror attack happened and everybody just stopped sending their team to Pakistan because of security issues. Let's just drop the bullshit and cut to the chase.

Pakistan was treated like that just because it is a Muslim majority country. In any other country, if something like this happened, it wouldn't have been so severe punishment. And in one or two years people probably would have forgotten about that. Just because Pakistan is a Muslim country, and the Western media has already put the terrorist tag on Muslims,  people were very quick to jump to conclusions even though Pakistan Reassured people that they can send their team and will be given the highest security they were not sending their teams. But right now I really like what Pakistan is doing. they are basically saying that they don't care about anyone and they are going to move forward from here on.