ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[bryant.coleman]

Absolutely love the idea. At grass-roots level, he has made a significant impact that cannot be duplicated. His nursing has so far been limited to the Indian B team or the women's team. How long can Dravid continue to develop only junior talent! Only he can shape the Indian National team better than any other coach. He is best suited to coach India's national team, so Ravi Shastri should be replaced.

I don't want to limit his role to coaching. The coach doesn't have much to do with the Indian national team, as the training routine and other details are decided by the captain. If Dravid attempts to enforce some discipline, then there will be rebellion from the players. I think he is best suited for the role of ICC chairman or the BCCI president. He is not money minded (unlike the current ICC chairman) and I am sure that he will do a lot of good things to cricket. Appointing him as the coach will be like under-utilizing him.

[JSRAW]

^^^^ I didn't knew that damaadji's contract is about to end. And the signal from the BCCI was quite clear, when they sent Rahul Dravid as the coach for the India team on Sri Lanka tour. But I am afraid that a soft-spoken guy like Dravid may not be able to adjust himself with the likes of Kohli, Rohit and Pant. Kohli is just the polar opposite of what Dravid is. The former is known as an aggressive player, and even as a bully. While the latter is without an argument regarded as one of the gentleman to have played the game at international level.

Yeah soon after T-20 WC and i don't see BCCI extending his contract. Well IMO Dravid bhai is playing long game for the good reason, he's engaged with the youth and we all know every young player adore him. Many of them already started ranking up and soon they will start replacing old players, may be in next 2-4 years.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Yeah soon after T-20 WC and i don't see BCCI extending his contract. Well IMO Dravid bhai is playing long game for the good reason, he's engaged with the youth and we all know every young player adore him. Many of them already started ranking up and soon they will start replacing old players, may be in next 2-4 years.

In the next 3-4 years, many of the senior players including Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ravichandran Ashwin and Ishant Sharma are going to retire. That makes me a bit worried about the future, as I don't believe that any of the younger players have shown the maturity to replace these seniors. Perhaps with the exception of Shreyas Iyer, none of them has shown the ability to dig in and build partnerships. And we still badly lack a pace bowling all rounder. Shardul comes close, but his batting skills need to improve.

[JSRAW]

Yeah soon after T-20 WC and i don't see BCCI extending his contract. Well IMO Dravid bhai is playing long game for the good reason, he's engaged with the youth and we all know every young player adore him. Many of them already started ranking up and soon they will start replacing old players, may be in next 2-4 years.

In the next 3-4 years, many of the senior players including Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ravichandran Ashwin and Ishant Sharma are going to retire. That makes me a bit worried about the future, as I don't believe that any of the younger players have shown the maturity to replace these seniors. Perhaps with the exception of Shreyas Iyer, none of them has shown the ability to dig in and build partnerships. And we still badly lack a pace bowling all rounder. Shardul comes close, but his batting skills need to improve.

Nothing to worry about bhai, to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

[bryant.coleman]

Nothing to worry about bhai, to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

No one in the cricketing world really worries about the future of Indian cricket. But the big question is about the future of cricket itself. Almost all the other sports have expanded during the last 10-15 years, while cricket is probably the only sport that has contracted. Teams like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka are no longer capable of competing at international level.

FIFA is expanding the world cup from current 32 teams to 48 in the next cycle (2026). Even the Kabaddi World Cup has expanded to 12 teams and the next ODI cricket world cup will feature just 10 teams (2023). The ICC successfully managed to sabotage inclusion of cricket for the 2028 Olympics a few months back and now says that they are dedicated to 2032 edition. That was perhaps the last chance to regain some of the lost ground.

Until some 10-15 years ago, cricket was expanding at a steady pace. Many new members were competing in regional tournaments and most of these teams were comprised of native players. But then ICC did two things - first they reduced the funding for associate nations to almost zero, and then they implemented a laughable eligibility criteria that is unheard in any other sports. Any foreigner who is staying for a few months in another country suddenly became eligible for representing that country. Many decades of hard work put in to globalizing cricket was undone within a very short period.

[7788bitcoin]

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 to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

They are finding new talents and the new players will mature in due time and these young players are getting opportunity when these top players are in the team unlike Sri Lanka who did not find talents when their established players were in the team and when they retired all of a sudden they started struggling and if other teams would find talents when their current crop of players reaches their retirement age then they will get the guidance and it will help them develop their career.

[Vishnu.Reang]

These are the players who will join the squad in England - Prithvi Shaw, Suryakumar Yadav and Abhimanyu Easwaran. Injured trio of Washington Sundar, Shubman Gill and Avesh Khan are excluded from the squad. It is interesting to note that Prithvi Shaw was added to the test squad, after his outburst against the selectors earlier this year (for dropping him from the playing XI in Australia). I would consider neither Prithvi, nor Shubman matured enough to represent India in tests. For the opening pair, I would still prefer Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma.

[Swordsoffreedom]

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 to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

They are finding new talents and the new players will mature in due time and these young players are getting opportunity when these top players are in the team unlike Sri Lanka who did not find talents when their established players were in the team and when they retired all of a sudden they started struggling and if other teams would find talents when their current crop of players reaches their retirement age then they will get the guidance and it will help them develop their career.

India management has sent the second tier team against Sri Lanka because they know the Sri Lankan team is not experienced now. They did not have to perform well. So India sent their young players to the series against Sri Lanka to make them more experienced. In the future, even if a series is played against Bangladesh or Afghanistan, I think India will give a chance to their young players.

[kro55]

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 to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

They are finding new talents and the new players will mature in due time and these young players are getting opportunity when these top players are in the team unlike Sri Lanka who did not find talents when their established players were in the team and when they retired all of a sudden they started struggling and if other teams would find talents when their current crop of players reaches their retirement age then they will get the guidance and it will help them develop their career.

India management has sent the second tier team against Sri Lanka because they know the Sri Lankan team is not experienced now. They did not have to perform well. So India sent their young players to the series against Sri Lanka to make them more experienced. In the future, even if a series is played against Bangladesh or Afghanistan, I think India will give a chance to their young players.

This seems to be an effective step to build the experience of young players. Sri Lanka is a weak team, so against them India has arranged a squad with inexperienced and young players. As a result, they may be able to win the series and build on the experience of young players. Teams like New Zealand, England and Australia may also form a second tier team and send the second tier squad against the weaker team.

[JSRAW]

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Another reason imo is ICC's rigidness and over the top romanticism towards the test cricket. I love test cricket and follow almost every Indian tour but if we're being realistic then test cricket is not future and its hurting overall expansion of Cricket in the different part of the world. Would be great if ICC give choice to all cricket boards if they want to play Test or not.

Let em choose, if some one doesn't want to play test cricket then let them replace test format with the League, franchise cricket so that they can increase intensity on T-20 or may be The 100 ball or 10 overs cricket. This wouldn't solve every problem but at least cricket board won't go bankrupt because of loss making test series and might able to focus on other issues.

[UmerIdrees]

Nothing to worry about bhai, to me Indian cricket future looks bright and i'm sure that management will take care of transition period because BCCI's past record is not bad in this regard when comparing to other boards. When Sachin, Gangully,Dravid,Laxman took retirement transition was smooth, same thing happened when Dhoni, Raina, Zaheer, , Sehwag etc took retirement. Just give enough time to young blood.

No one in the cricketing world really worries about the future of Indian cricket. But the big question is about the future of cricket itself. Almost all the other sports have expanded during the last 10-15 years, while cricket is probably the only sport that has contracted. Teams like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka are no longer capable of competing at international level.

You can also add Pakistan and West Indies in the list of countries losing the momentum too. The big 3 cricketing nation only focus on the development of their teams and if this continue they won't have any competition. Due to this factor, the franchise cricket like IPL, PSL, BBL is gaining more popularity.

Just analysis the outcome of the last few series or tours being played. No one wants to see the one-sided series and tours.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Another reason imo is ICC's rigidness and over the top romanticism towards the test cricket. I love test cricket and follow almost every Indian tour but if we're being realistic then test cricket is not future and its hurting overall expansion of Cricket in the different part of the world. Would be great if ICC give choice to all cricket boards if they want to play Test or not.

Let em choose, if some one doesn't want to play test cricket then let them replace test format with the League, franchise cricket so that they can increase intensity on T-20 or may be The 100 ball or 10 overs cricket. This wouldn't solve every problem but at least cricket board won't go bankrupt because of loss making test series and might able to focus on other issues.

In the modern world, who has the time to spend 5 continuous days in front of the TV? On top of that, if the match takes place in the subcontinent, then there is a good chance that it will end in a draw. I hardly ever watch test cricket. Apart from rare occasions such as the Ashes and Border-Gavaskar, I don't even bother about test cricket. And in my neighborhood, I have never seen anyone younger than 30 years old watching test cricket. For them it is not interesting enough. Now tell me what is the point in having a test series between Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, or one between West Indies and South Africa?

[JohnBitCo]

The final ODI between West Indies and Australia will be played in few hours from now. I am not sure which team will win this final battle as the batting of both the teams is uncertain and the one who played better will win the series. I would want to bet on this match. By looking at the history, betting on Australia may be somewhat safe.

[UmerIdrees]

Another reason imo is ICC's rigidness and over the top romanticism towards the test cricket. I love test cricket and follow almost every Indian tour but if we're being realistic then test cricket is not future and its hurting overall expansion of Cricket in the different part of the world. Would be great if ICC give choice to all cricket boards if they want to play Test or not.

Let em choose, if some one doesn't want to play test cricket then let them replace test format with the League, franchise cricket so that they can increase intensity on T-20 or may be The 100 ball or 10 overs cricket. This wouldn't solve every problem but at least cricket board won't go bankrupt because of loss making test series and might able to focus on other issues.

In the modern world, who has the time to spend 5 continuous days in front of the TV? On top of that, if the match takes place in the subcontinent, then there is a good chance that it will end in a draw. I hardly ever watch test cricket. Apart from rare occasions such as the Ashes and Border-Gavaskar, I don't even bother about test cricket. And in my neighborhood, I have never seen anyone younger than 30 years old watching test cricket. For them it is not interesting enough. Now tell me what is the point in having a test series between Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, or one between West Indies and South Africa?

Think of Waseem Akram, Glenn McGrath , Shoaib Akhtar bowling in full swing in the test match. Watch Tendulkar ,Sanath Jayasuriya and Brain Lara making double centuries and playing orthodox cricket. These were more entertaining to watch then these Pinch hitters of the today's T20 format.

[ene1980]

The final ODI between West Indies and Australia will be played in few hours from now. I am not sure which team will win this final battle as the batting of both the teams is uncertain and the one who played better will win the series. I would want to bet on this match. By looking at the history, betting on Australia may be somewhat safe.

If it was a T20 i would have picked West Indies but in ODI they will only perform well once in a full moon against the top teams, so my bet is with Australia to win the match.
 
I did not notice that the match already started. West Indies is struggling as they already lost 3 wickets for 47 runs and that too in 15 overs  and one player is retired hurt, so it is more than enough to understand where the match is going .

[Rigon]

The final ODI between West Indies and Australia will be played in few hours from now. I am not sure which team will win this final battle as the batting of both the teams is uncertain and the one who played better will win the series. I would want to bet on this match. By looking at the history, betting on Australia may be somewhat safe.

If it was a T20 i would have picked West Indies but in ODI they will only perform well once in a full moon against the top teams, so my bet is with Australia to win the match.
 
I did not notice that the match already started. West Indies is struggling as they already lost 3 wickets for 47 runs and that too in 15 overs  and one player is retired hurt, so it is more than enough to understand where the match is going .

West indies already lost 10 wickets collecting only a tiny collection 152 runs which very easy for Australian batsman.
Australia already started their match and collect 15 runs in first over with losing one wicket.
See scores: https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-commentary/37552/wi-vs-aus-3rd-odi-rescheduled-match-australia-tour-of-west-indies-2021

[NicNacCoin]

In my writing time Australia collect( continue) 52 runs losing two wickets after 12 overs. For seeing Cricbuzz reports summarize , Australia have big possibility to win this match. Because west indies through a small target.

[Sithara007]

Both the teams were not impressive. Australia was chasing such a low total, and yet they were at 99/4 when Alex Carey got out. They won the match thanks to good performance from their bowlers (Mitchell Starc seems to be back in form, and he was backed up by Josh Hazlewood). And it was surprising to see the three spinners (Ashton Agar, Ashton Turner and Adam Zampa) bowling a majority of the overs for Australia (28 out of 45.1). Apart from Evin Lewis, none of the West Indian batsmen could get a score of over 20. 

[onecall123]

After watching a couple of the games, I thought that the pitch somewhat inconsistent and very hard to score on. That may be the reason for a low scoring match. Australia's bowlers performed well, and their performance smashed WI's batting line-up. It is important for WI batsmen to be patient when pitches are not perfect, as they blame over pitch. Additionally, WI should focus on longer formats, they completely flip when the format is shifted from T20 to ODI. That's strange, nah!

[kro55]

Both the teams were not impressive. Australia was chasing such a low total, and yet they were at 99/4 when Alex Carey got out. They won the match thanks to good performance from their bowlers (Mitchell Starc seems to be back in form, and he was backed up by Josh Hazlewood). And it was surprising to see the three spinners (Ashton Agar, Ashton Turner and Adam Zampa) bowling a majority of the overs for Australia (28 out of 45.1). Apart from Evin Lewis, none of the West Indian batsmen could get a score of over 20.  

The entire match was dominated by the Australian bowlers. The West Indies would be in such a great form now, and as they are performing so well against Australia, I don't think anyone could have imagined that they would have a batting disaster like this. However, the Australian team may have returned to their old form. Australia won the ODI series. For the T20 format, they need to better organize themselves if they want to do well in the upcoming T20 World Cup.

In my writing time Australia collect( continue) 52 runs losing two wickets after 12 overs. For seeing Cricbuzz reports summarize , Australia have big possibility to win this match. Because west indies through a small target.

At the end, Australia won the match, and won very easily. A 153-run target is a very easy target for a team like Australia in the ODI format. If West Indies could have scored more than 200 runs, they might have been able to put up a good fight to win the match. Ashton Agar bowled well, he was able to pick up the wickets of important batsmen. West Indies opener Evin Lewis batted very responsibly.