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Pardon my ignorance if this has been reviewed, but I couldn't find anything in the quickstart guide for the SP20. Is the serial port used to chain units together, and if so is that currently working?
Cheers.
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Tupsu
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January 07, 2015, 12:02:38 AM |
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September 26, 2014 Shipped Nov 02 What a joke! Joke for my was Order #3096 Placed on November 01, 2014 Total: $1,350.00 payd in euros 05.nov.14 Order was still not shipped 12.nov. 12. nov. Spondoolies offered the same SP20 with a 40% discount November 18 shipping for $875.00 with shipping to me. Now that was just a real joke.After a long correspondence and waiting, however, they canceled my order Order - Cancelled on November 25, 2014 I paid more euros and got 2x SP20 for $875.00 pcs.
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January 07, 2015, 12:45:44 AM |
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Might be nice if we can start new threads for each product line. That way Sp3X users have one thread and Sp20 users can have another. Just a thought......
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January 07, 2015, 01:21:03 AM |
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It is not pleasant, when the seller lowers the price with two months, from 1350 USD to 500 USD
Would you feel better if ASIC manufacturers increased the prices of their miners? Lol
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ZiG
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January 07, 2015, 01:51:03 AM |
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It is not pleasant, when the seller lowers the price with two months, from 1350 USD to 500 USD
Would you feel better if ASIC manufacturers increased the prices of their miners? Lol Bull's eye, Zelek...LOL... ZiG
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January 07, 2015, 02:57:07 AM Last edit: January 07, 2015, 03:23:14 AM by Epoch |
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I'd like to limit the SP20 to run at 700W at the wall (so that 2 can run on a single 120V/15A circuit); any tips on how best to achieve that? I'm thinking that reducing the starting/max voltages will be sufficient, but I'd like to hear what others here are doing to run these at lower powers and higher efficiencies.
Ambient/intake temperature will be 25C or a few degrees higher. Noise is not an issue. I have a kill-a-watt meter so that power draw can be easily measured. Thanks in advance.
With 1 SP20 I've managed 730W at the wall (EVGA 1300 G2 Gold) @ 1290GH/s. Settings are 0.62V/0.67V (start/max) and 180W max for each of the 4 PSUs. 20% fan. Front temperature is 30C, back temperature is 70C, and the maximum ASIC temperature is 110C. After several hours, this seems stable. I can run 2 of these units on a single 120V/15A circuit which is as much power as it can sustain without tripping the breaker. YMMV.
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January 07, 2015, 03:04:47 AM |
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It is not pleasant, when the seller lowers the price with two months, from 1350 USD to 500 USD
Would you feel better if ASIC manufacturers increased the prices of their miners? Lol Bull's eye, Zelek...LOL... ZiG actually if they kept them frozen longer it would make the entire network seem more stable. So dropping prices at a slower rate is fine. On the other hand if miners never did a prepaid order that would also help a lot. Lastly buying and spending coins would also help things out. But that is a dream world that we all know does not yet exist.
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January 07, 2015, 04:19:23 AM |
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Loop 1 has failed on one of my new S20s. https://i.imgur.com/BaVcZud.jpg Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this myself, or is this something I have to deal with Spondoolies support directly for? I don't actually see a link to contact support on their site, so I'm hoping they respond to an email. LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:4033) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 77W 113A 45c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 890hz(BL: 890) 2072 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 50c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 850hz(BL: 850) 1961 (E:191) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 2: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 3: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:4020) 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 74W 110A 43c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 860hz(BL: 860) 2055 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 53c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 840hz(BL: 840) 1965 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:4177) 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 76W 113A 60c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 880hz(BL: 880) 2003 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 82W 121A 68c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 940hz(BL: 940) 2174 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
Any ideas?
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January 07, 2015, 04:30:40 AM |
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Loop 1 has failed on one of my new S20s. https://i.imgur.com/BaVcZud.jpg Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this myself, or is this something I have to deal with Spondoolies support directly for? I don't actually see a link to contact support on their site, so I'm hoping they respond to an email. LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:4033) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 77W 113A 45c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 890hz(BL: 890) 2072 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 50c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 850hz(BL: 850) 1961 (E:191) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 2: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 3: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:4020) 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 74W 110A 43c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 860hz(BL: 860) 2055 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 53c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 840hz(BL: 840) 1965 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:4177) 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 76W 113A 60c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 880hz(BL: 880) 2003 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 82W 121A 68c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 940hz(BL: 940) 2174 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
Any ideas? re boot then check. if bad check all 4 cables.. see if loose. then if all seem good. pull one good cable and plug it into the dead loop. if the dead loop stays dead with every cable then ask for rma.
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Digitalmocking
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January 07, 2015, 04:39:19 AM |
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Loop 1 has failed on one of my new S20s. https://i.imgur.com/BaVcZud.jpg Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this myself, or is this something I have to deal with Spondoolies support directly for? I don't actually see a link to contact support on their site, so I'm hoping they respond to an email. LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:4033) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 77W 113A 45c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 890hz(BL: 890) 2072 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 50c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 850hz(BL: 850) 1961 (E:191) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 2: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 3: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:4020) 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 74W 110A 43c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 860hz(BL: 860) 2055 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 72W 107A 53c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 840hz(BL: 840) 1965 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:4177) 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 76W 113A 60c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 880hz(BL: 880) 2003 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:677) 82W 121A 68c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 940hz(BL: 940) 2174 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
Any ideas? re boot then check. if bad check all 4 cables.. see if loose. then if all seem good. pull one good cable and plug it into the dead loop. if the dead loop stays dead with every cable then ask for rma. Thank you for the reply Philip, I'll head to the datacenter tomorrow and check all the cables and whatnot.
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January 07, 2015, 04:40:09 AM Last edit: January 07, 2015, 04:55:17 AM by sloopy |
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Hooked this one up tonight and having about half hash as well. I'll do everything you said above.
2.5.64 Uptime:470 | FPGA ver:100 | BIST in 164 -----BOARD-0----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(258w/258w)[258 258 258] (->258w[258 258 258]) (lim=1350) 0c 407GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-1----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(276w/276w)[276 275 276] (->276w[276 275 276]) (lim=1350) 0c 424GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-2----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-3----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:29) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:722 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 100W 137A 66c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 1020hz(BL:1020) 15 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 109W 149A 85c] ASIC:[100c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:37) 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 114W 156A 99c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1110hz(BL:1110) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:718 vlt2:722(DCl:794 Tl:722 Ul:727) 109W 152A 105c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 23 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[2] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 4: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 5: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[3] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 6: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 7: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)
[H:HW:831Gh (500),W:432,L:0,A:4,MMtmp:0 TMP:(29/29)=>=>=>(78/78 , 0/0)] Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)! min:44 wins:66[this/last min:11/5] bist-fail:97, hw-err:0 leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:349gh/s asic-count:36 (wins:11+0) Fan:90, conseq:200 AC2DC BAD: 0 0 R/NR: 449/0 RTF asics: 0 FET: 0:5 1:255 0 restarted 0 reset 0 reset2 0 fake_wins 0 stuck_bist 0 low_power 0 stuck_pll 0 runtime_dsble 0 purge_queue 0 read_timeouts 0 dc2dc_i2c 0 read_tmout2 0 read_crptn 0 purge_queue3 0 bad_idle 0 err_murata
Checked cables and swapped one. I may throw a different PSU at it, right now 1 emax 750 1 corsair 750 1 ps on 1 and 2 and the other on 3 and 4
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Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function. Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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January 07, 2015, 04:56:56 AM |
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Hooked this one up tonight and having about half hash as well. I'll do everything you said above.
2.5.64 Uptime:470 | FPGA ver:100 | BIST in 164 -----BOARD-0----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(258w/258w)[258 258 258] (->258w[258 258 258]) (lim=1350) 0c 407GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-1----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(276w/276w)[276 275 276] (->276w[276 275 276]) (lim=1350) 0c 424GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-2----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-3----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:29) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:722 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 100W 137A 66c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 1020hz(BL:1020) 15 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 109W 149A 85c] ASIC:[100c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:37) 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 114W 156A 99c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1110hz(BL:1110) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:718 vlt2:722(DCl:794 Tl:722 Ul:727) 109W 152A 105c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 23 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[2] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 4: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 5: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[3] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 6: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 7: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)
[H:HW:831Gh (500),W:432,L:0,A:4,MMtmp:0 TMP:(29/29)=>=>=>(78/78 , 0/0)] Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)! min:44 wins:66[this/last min:11/5] bist-fail:97, hw-err:0 leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:349gh/s asic-count:36 (wins:11+0) Fan:90, conseq:200 AC2DC BAD: 0 0 R/NR: 449/0 RTF asics: 0 FET: 0:5 1:255 0 restarted 0 reset 0 reset2 0 fake_wins 0 stuck_bist 0 low_power 0 stuck_pll 0 runtime_dsble 0 purge_queue 0 read_timeouts 0 dc2dc_i2c 0 read_tmout2 0 read_crptn 0 purge_queue3 0 bad_idle 0 err_murata
You should also change your MAX PSU to 288 or less, then try again. What power supply are you using?
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January 07, 2015, 05:47:29 AM |
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You should also change your MAX PSU to 288 or less, then try again. What power supply are you using?
+1. try lowered settings just so you can see if the unit is better if not pushed 100%
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January 07, 2015, 10:06:07 AM |
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I think the power to 3rd connector not connected.
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January 07, 2015, 10:07:35 AM |
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Hooked this one up tonight and having about half hash as well. I'll do everything you said above.
2.5.64 Uptime:470 | FPGA ver:100 | BIST in 164 -----BOARD-0----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(258w/258w)[258 258 258] (->258w[258 258 258]) (lim=1350) 0c 407GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-1----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(276w/276w)[276 275 276] (->276w[276 275 276]) (lim=1350) 0c 424GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-2----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 -----BOARD-3----- PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(5w/5w)[5 5 5] (->5w[5 5 5]) (lim=1350) 0c 0GH cooling:0/0x8 LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:29) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:722 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 100W 137A 66c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 1020hz(BL:1020) 15 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 109W 149A 85c] ASIC:[100c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:37) 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:727(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 114W 156A 99c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1110hz(BL:1110) 14 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:718 vlt2:722(DCl:794 Tl:722 Ul:727) 109W 152A 105c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 23 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[2] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 4: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 5: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) LOOP[3] OFF TO:0 (test serial failed or something) 6: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!) 7: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)
[H:HW:831Gh (500),W:432,L:0,A:4,MMtmp:0 TMP:(29/29)=>=>=>(78/78 , 0/0)] Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)! min:44 wins:66[this/last min:11/5] bist-fail:97, hw-err:0 leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:349gh/s asic-count:36 (wins:11+0) Fan:90, conseq:200 AC2DC BAD: 0 0 R/NR: 449/0 RTF asics: 0 FET: 0:5 1:255 0 restarted 0 reset 0 reset2 0 fake_wins 0 stuck_bist 0 low_power 0 stuck_pll 0 runtime_dsble 0 purge_queue 0 read_timeouts 0 dc2dc_i2c 0 read_tmout2 0 read_crptn 0 purge_queue3 0 bad_idle 0 err_murata
You should also change your MAX PSU to 288 or less, then try again. What power supply are you using? "i2c bad, BTW" means the DC2DC is not getting 12V power. Yes, I know it is not the most intuitive error message . Check your power.
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January 07, 2015, 01:59:46 PM |
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SP35 arrived this morning. door to door from Spondoolies to Scotland in ~24hrs.
great stuff.
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tips 1APp826DqjJBdsAeqpEstx6Q8hD4urac8a
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January 07, 2015, 02:05:12 PM |
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Got 1 SP20 from a UK seller. Took advantage of the mining farm of 3 with free shipping, hopefully I'll receive it soon ! (UK based)
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January 07, 2015, 06:23:23 PM |
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Got 1 SP20 from a UK seller. Took advantage of the mining farm of 3 with free shipping, hopefully I'll receive it soon ! (UK based)
I would love to take advantage of the 15 sp20 farm deal but thats like 35btc (with the 15 required psus) all to make around 5btc a month after electricity. And with diff going up 12% next month it will make even less ROI is like six months lol.
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January 07, 2015, 06:23:57 PM |
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SP35 arrived this morning. door to door from Spondoolies to Scotland in ~24hrs.
great stuff.
What do you wonder ? You write that the business owner is your friend. Look at how long does it with "free postings" for not business owner friend customer. Shipment picked up Monday, December 22, 2014 , Delivered Monday, December 29, 2014 http://www.dhl.com/en/express/tracking.html?AWB=6661533336&brand=DHLIf I had not gone by DHL and picked it up, would be more 1 day longer from Spondoolies door to my door.
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January 07, 2015, 06:40:56 PM |
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SP35 arrived this morning. door to door from Spondoolies to Scotland in ~24hrs.
great stuff.
What do you wonder ? You write that the business owner is your friend. Look at how long does it with "free postings" for not business owner friend customer. Shipment picked up Monday, December 22, 2014 , Delivered Monday, December 29, 2014 http://www.dhl.com/en/express/tracking.html?AWB=6661533336&brand=DHLIf I had not gone by DHL and picked it up, would be more 1 day longer from Spondoolies door to my door. 25th was a Holiday, 26th in some countries is considered a holiday and some carriers don't move shipments on the 24th / 26th.
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