Coronavirus Outbreak

[franky1]

You are so silly. Deaths from Covid and deaths from other things don't just happen that way because they are suddenly diagnosed. If that were the case, you could say that people around the world barely die, because doctors don't diagnose the cause of death of millions of people. Those people aren't really dead. No doctor said they were. They only act like they are dead, right?

Covid in January = 0
Covid in April = 8,219

Nobody know that for sure. Doctors could easily have been misdiagnosing or misreporting the numbers for either month. Get some proof already.

the idot again thinks its the 1800's where doctors diagnose by sight alone
there is proof. theres tests, scans, blood tests. lots of diagnostic tools
you have been told this a dozen times

but old badecker will always be out of date with his thoughts
catch up to reality of May 2020.. stop being stuck in the past

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[BADecker]

You are so silly. Deaths from Covid and deaths from other things don't just happen that way because they are suddenly diagnosed. If that were the case, you could say that people around the world barely die, because doctors don't diagnose the cause of death of millions of people. Those people aren't really dead. No doctor said they were. They only act like they are dead, right?

Covid in January = 0
Covid in April = 8,219

Nobody know that for sure. Doctors could easily have been misdiagnosing or misreporting the numbers for either month. Get some proof already.

the idot again thinks its the 1800's where doctors diagnose by sight alone
there is proof. theres tests, scans, blood tests. lots of diagnostic tools
you have been told this a dozen times

but old badecker will always be out of date with his thoughts
catch up to reality of May 2020.. stop being stuck in the past

But what does the proof show? Flu? Pneumonia? Heart Disease? Cancer? Diabetes? Does any of it show CV19 at all? Come on! Show some proof. All we hear from you is blabber so far.

[TECSHARE]

With the newly revised CDC death rates, the percentages are even lower than that in the US.

"No, The CDC Did Not Revise Down The Number Of COVID-19 Deaths"
Several tweets went viral that falsely claimed the CDC had drastically revised down the number of deaths in the US from the coronavirus — but it seems some people didn't read to the end of the page.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/coronavirus-death-toll-cdc-misinformation


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Lol, Buzzfeed, and you have the nerve to criticize my sources.

"Total Deaths   44,016"

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

[suchmoon]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Did you even read it? Data for the week ending 5/2 and lagging by 1-2 weeks. Other sources, like the Johns Hopkins map, had 44k deaths around April 23 so it all adds up. 10 days from now CDC will show 60k+ like currently shown by real-time (or close to it) sources.

[TECSHARE]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Did you even read it? Data for the week ending 5/2 and lagging by 1-2 weeks. Other sources, like the Johns Hopkins map, had 44k deaths around April 23 so it all adds up. 10 days from now CDC will show 60k+ like currently shown by real-time (or close to it) sources.

These stats are still inflated no matter how you cut it, because they include "with COVID" deaths as dictated by CDC reporting standards.


"It  is  important  to  remember  that  death  certificate  reporting  may  not  meet  mandatory  reporting  requirements  for  reportable  diseases;  contact  the  local  health  department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.In  cases  where  a  definite  diagnosis  of  COVID–19  cannot  be  made,  but  it  is  suspected  or  likely  (e.g.,  the  circumstances  are  compelling  within  a  reasonable  degree  of  certainty),  it  is  acceptable  to  report  COVID–19  on  a  death  certificate  as  “probable” or “presumed.”"

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

[suchmoon]

These stats are still inflated no matter how you cut it, because they include "with COVID" deaths as dictated by CDC reporting standards.

125% of expected deaths roughly matches the 13k reported COVID-19 deaths for the week of 4/11 so no, it's very unlikely to be inflated by any significant amount. More recent weeks are incomplete but trending the same way.

[BluePowder]

Interesting article, could be unrelated but you never know. A man close to some CV research breakthrough shot in the head, presumed killer then went to his car and shot himself in the head. I'd say its a little out of the ordinary snice both are chinese and one is working on CV

Medical Researcher on “Verge of Making Very Significant” Coronavirus Breakthrough Shot to Death
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/medical-researcher-verge-making-significant-coronavirus-breakthrough-shot-death/

These stats are still inflated no matter how you cut it, because they include "with COVID" deaths as dictated by CDC reporting standards.

125% of expected deaths roughly matches the 13k reported COVID-19 deaths for the week of 4/11 so no, it's very unlikely to be inflated by any significant amount. More recent weeks are incomplete but trending the same way.

[TwitchySeal]

With the newly revised CDC death rates, the percentages are even lower than that in the US.

This did not happen.

Do you understand?

[TECSHARE]

With the newly revised CDC death rates, the percentages are even lower than that in the US.

This did not happen.

Do you understand?

So you are arguing this CDC page is lying?

"It  is  important  to  remember  that  death  certificate  reporting  may  not  meet  mandatory  reporting  requirements  for  reportable  diseases;  contact  the  local  health  department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.In  cases  where  a  definite  diagnosis  of  COVID–19  cannot  be  made,  but  it  is  suspected  or  likely  (e.g.,  the  circumstances  are  compelling  within  a  reasonable  degree  of  certainty),  it  is  acceptable  to  report  COVID–19  on  a  death  certificate  as  “probable” or “presumed.”"

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

[TwitchySeal]

With the newly revised CDC death rates, the percentages are even lower than that in the US.

This did not happen.

Do you understand?

So you are arguing this CDC page is lying?

"It  is  important  to  remember  that  death  certificate  reporting  may  not  meet  mandatory  reporting  requirements  for  reportable  diseases;  contact  the  local  health  department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.In  cases  where  a  definite  diagnosis  of  COVID–19  cannot  be  made,  but  it  is  suspected  or  likely  (e.g.,  the  circumstances  are  compelling  within  a  reasonable  degree  of  certainty),  it  is  acceptable  to  report  COVID–19  on  a  death  certificate  as  “probable” or “presumed.”"

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Those aren't newly revised death rates.

You need to read the words.  The provisional death count of 44k refers to the certified deaths.  It takes 1-2 weeks to certify a death, which means the number we're seeing today is lagging 1-2 weeks..

Do you understand the difference between provisional death rates, which are lagging 1-2 weeks behind and the reported deaths?

It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks.

You shouldn't put so much faith in the media.  Do your own research.

[BADecker]

Governor Whitmer
     [das Fuher]
Isn't Happy With Her Lockdown Backfiring


Governor Whitmer [das Fuher] Isn't Happy With Her Lockdown Backfiring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cElOPXmRtx0

[suchmoon]

Interesting article, could be unrelated but you never know. A man close to some CV research breakthrough shot in the head, presumed killer then went to his car and shot himself in the head. I'd say its a little out of the ordinary snice both are chinese and one is working on CV

Don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/university-of-pittsburgh-coronavirus-research-murder-suicide/

According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.

Ross Township Police released their findings on Wednesday, saying they believe the apparent murder-suicide was the result of a “lengthy dispute regarding an intimate partner.”

[BluePowder]

That's why I started the post with " could be unrelated " .. but a news article isn't exactly fact.

Interesting article, could be unrelated but you never know. A man close to some CV research breakthrough shot in the head, presumed killer then went to his car and shot himself in the head. I'd say its a little out of the ordinary snice both are chinese and one is working on CV

Don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/university-of-pittsburgh-coronavirus-research-murder-suicide/

According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.

Ross Township Police released their findings on Wednesday, saying they believe the apparent murder-suicide was the result of a “lengthy dispute regarding an intimate partner.”

[TwitchySeal]

That's why I started the post with " could be unrelated " .. but a news article isn't exactly fact.

Interesting article, could be unrelated but you never know. A man close to some CV research breakthrough shot in the head, presumed killer then went to his car and shot himself in the head. I'd say its a little out of the ordinary snice both are chinese and one is working on CV

Don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/university-of-pittsburgh-coronavirus-research-murder-suicide/

According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.

Ross Township Police released their findings on Wednesday, saying they believe the apparent murder-suicide was the result of a “lengthy dispute regarding an intimate partner.”

That's why suchmoon called it a conspiracy theory instead of a conspiracy law.

[Gyfts]

This story's circulating widely among conservative circles and hit mainstream media sources and I don't understand the outrage - https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/shelley-luther-dallas-salon-owner-jailed-trnd/index.html

TL;DR - Some deranged Karen disobeyed lockdown orders in Texas and prematurely re-opened her nail salon business and knowingly broke the law. When put in front of the judge, this lady directly said to the judge that she would continue to operate her business despite the lock down orders and therefore she was put in jail.

The argument the lady makes to the judge during her hearing as to why she should be able to operate her business and not wait a few more days until she can legally re-open is that the lady needs to "feed her kids" and that her employees apparently need to feed their kids.

I have not seen such utter bullshit in my entire life. This lady's kids aren't starving, she's pandering to people's emotions and knows exactly what she's doing. She put on a publicity stunt, knowing it would go viral, and now the right wing circle are throwing money at her in a gofundme which has nearly half a million dollars -- all to someone who did this debacle on purpose for public attention.

This story seems to shed light onto the bigger issue of re-opening. Governors should be the one to ease restrictions, not small business owners breaking the law by opening prematurely and then putting law enforcement officers in a shitty situation including judges that are forced to comply with the law.

[franky1]

This story's circulating widely among conservative circles and hit mainstream media sources and I don't understand the outrage - https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/shelley-luther-dallas-salon-owner-jailed-trnd/index.html

i think the only outrage there should be. is that she is not poor. if starving she could sell valuables(ebay still works in lockdown). if she was starving she could show proof of $0 bank balance and foodbank deliveries. which would have helped her case.
yet.. she actually recently just received government grants.
even shelley whos a business owner could receive some funds, which she received recently
which are supposed to be used for businesses to stay closed. thus it can lead to a fraud case later too because she claimed government money she didnt deserve.. in short she cant have it both ways claim stay at home money but not stay at home

i have seen cases where shoplifter who has a large LCD screen and gold necklaces get jailtime. but another shoplifter who was using the foodbank but told only allowed 3 parcels in a season so could no longer get foodbank parcels, had no bank balance and no valuables at home. was let off.
..
however with that said. when it comes to 'constitutional' debates. the solution is very simple. instead of making it criminal(jailtime) make it civil(a large fine) that way there is no constitutional right breach
for taking someone to court for a civil issue.

which was the case. she was fined for the civil disorder(having store open).. and jailed only for contempt of court(not apologising/disregarding the judges orders)

..
but anyway if she cared about her kids the question is. who the hell was looking after the kids while she was working/in jail. i guess she didnt care much about the kids and cared more about profiting from this whole saga

[atticus_t]

To be honest, I have long forgotten that there is now some kind of epidemic. I don't read the news, I live my life and go about my business. I like to live in peace and harmony.

(In any case, I can not miss the important news on which my life depends).

[Naida_BR]

To be honest, I have long forgotten that there is now some kind of epidemic. I don't read the news, I live my life and go about my business. I like to live in peace and harmony.

(In any case, I can not miss the important news on which my life depends).

This is not absolutely good.
Now that you don't read the news you are doing good to your mental health as you might have less depression. However, it is good to know what it is going on in society and be able to protect yourself if any virus comes to your relatives.

[BADecker]

To be honest, I have long forgotten that there is now some kind of epidemic. I don't read the news, I live my life and go about my business. I like to live in peace and harmony.

(In any case, I can not miss the important news on which my life depends).

This is not absolutely good.
Now that you don't read the news you are doing good to your mental health as you might have less depression. However, it is good to know what it is going on in society and be able to protect yourself if any virus comes to your relatives.

Protecting self and relatives is an easy thing up to the point where government comes after you. If government wants to shut you down for this fake pandemic, that's when you need to be prepared to protect yourself.

That's why I started the post with " could be unrelated " .. but a news article isn't exactly fact.

Interesting article, could be unrelated but you never know. A man close to some CV research breakthrough shot in the head, presumed killer then went to his car and shot himself in the head. I'd say its a little out of the ordinary snice both are chinese and one is working on CV

Don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/university-of-pittsburgh-coronavirus-research-murder-suicide/

According to police, the two victims knew each other. Investigators say they believe the male found in his car shot and killed the man in the Elm Court home before coming back to his car and taking his own life.

Ross Township Police released their findings on Wednesday, saying they believe the apparent murder-suicide was the result of a “lengthy dispute regarding an intimate partner.”

That's why suchmoon called it a conspiracy theory instead of a conspiracy law.

"Conspiracy Theory" is a term started by the CIA, to throw doubt on people who don't want to take an official story that has nothing conclusive in it to be true, so that they (the CIA) can lie to everybody, and yet keep people from seeing the truth.

The point is, everybody conspires all the time. You, me, BluePowder, and everybody else talks to others about what we think and believe, and/or the facts. These are conspiracies. Conspiracies are all around and through us all the time. Conspiracy is absolutely not a theory.

Or do you think that the government, media, doctors, and other people don't talk to each other... don't conspire... even if they don't do anything with their conspiracies. How in the world dense are you?

If Trump calls his personal secretary on the phone, if Pelosi calls her private secretary on the phone, if Trump and Pelosi talk, if any other government people talks... all of this is conspiracies!

However, you may continue to stay dense.



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[franky1]

UK media is trying to push a 'trend' that black/indian people are more at risk
yet UKs statistics show

deaths due to covid in NHS England march-april
                           Deaths   Percent   
White                     14781   82.73
Mixed                     130      0.73
Indian                     560      3.13
Bangl'shi & Pa'stani   501      2.80
Chinese                  66      0.37
Black                     1022   5.72
Other ethnic group   806      4.51

sorry but BAME (black and middle eastern) are only ~11%.
media is saying BAME's are ~90% more at risk.. um no . just no