Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

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I am all for looking at conflicts from a historical perspective in oder to understand the reasoning behind certain actions, but there are actions that regardless of their historical context can't ever be justified. Perhaps Hitler got bullied by a Jewish boy in elementary school, well, sure, then kill a whole nation later on as revenge. Makes perfect sense to some here on this forum as it seems.

At first, Hitler hated Jews because at that time they have taken German and Austrian art institutions' leadership and he thought that he was unfairly rejected. Then, Jews were well-represented in finance and business.

The Russian population at large isn't too blame, considering that Putin puts even children into prison (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-children-detained-in-kremlins-crackdown-on-dissent-cfqj8qxv3)

No, no! The government of Russia represents the Russian population and society. They should change the government, doesn't matter what they have to sacrifice, Russian population should do everything to get rid of Putin and end the war, otherwise, they are 100% into this.
If I try to squeeze your neck until you die, I believe you'll do everything to get rid of my hands and escape from me, even if I am a tall, muscular, and very strong boy. If you squeeze the neck of your brother and you can stop me but you won't stop me, then it means that you are into this and the final result is acceptable for you.

Edit: The only person using civilians as a shield here is Putin by causing a famine, blaming the West for it, and watch Africans and others slowly die their death until the very last breath, until the body is too weak to breath once more because of malnutrition. That to me is using "civilians as a shield". Civilians that really, really never ever can't be blamed for anything.

He waged the war! If he wouldn't start, then nothing would happen and he waged it for his crazy thoughts and ambitions. Average Russian citizens don't analyze that doesn't matter what happens, Putin, his people and his family won't even be affected in this war but the average citizens, they are paying and will pay a huge price.

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[LTU_btc]

Konashenkov pointed out that the store was closed.

I'm not sure that's worth wasting time debunking Konashnenkov lies, but ok. Yesterday I posted screenshot from store telegram channel made week before attack where they said that from that date they're not going to close store during air alerts. Offcourse, someone who made such stupid decision will have to take responsibility for it.

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store telegram channel made week before attack where they said that from that date they're not going to close store during air alerts.

How many killed did they count 1,000 or 18?

[LTU_btc]

How many killed did they count 1,000 or 18?

I don't know from where did you got that number 1000 killed. It was said that there was about 1000 people inside, but it's only estimate numbers. And 18 people killed is only initial number. Many were not found under wreckings, so, this number is likely to grow.

[paxmao]

Interesting news.

Fucking anarchists have posted instructions on how to stage terrorist attacks.
And you're reposting it.

You seem very confused about the concept of terrorism. The Russia Federation is at war with Ukraine. Railways, refineries, weapons factories and anything that supports the war effort is a legitimate target (as opposed for example to targeting a shopping centre, which is terrorism). What is the problem? It feels different when someone does it to you in your territory uh? Is war no longer fun and glorious for you?

I can tell the guy who did this had training. He made sure there was electrical contact between the rails so that the section circuit was closed and there was not indication at the control centre.

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I don't know from where did you got that number 1000 killed.

Пo cлoвaм пpeзидeнтa Bлaдимиpa Зeлeнcкoгo, нa тoт мoмeнт в тopгoвoм цeнтpe мoглo нaxoдитcя oкoлo тыcячи людeй. Пoзжe cтaлo извecтнo, чтo мнoгиx ycпeли вывecти пepeд yдapoм.

https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/kremenchug-postradal-ot-raketnogo-udara-rf-pod-ogon-popal-trc-mnogo-zhertv-novosti-ukrainy-50252678.html

This is some kind of riddle, did they know about the "hit"?
The rocket parts are metal, when they find them, show them here.

1,000 killed it seemed to me, no one wrote that.

anything that supports the war effort is a legitimate target

It shows how to derail trains, it's an instruction manual.
What is a legitimate target for anarchists is a mystery to me.

[suchmoon]

Fucking anarchists have posted instructions on how to stage terrorist attacks.

That's what happens when your government lies to you and doesn't call things by their real names. You get confused and you think that the "not a war" won't come to Russia. It already has. If it helps, call it a special railroad operation.

Meanwhile Russian military continues targeting civilians:



(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

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(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

And what do the anti-battery radars say? Where was the gunfire coming from?
As far as I know, missiles don't fly alone, there are shots by the dozen.
There was a recent video of a rocket returning to the launch site.
And surely the locations of the malls are known, why hit only one if genocide is the goal?

[suchmoon]

(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

And what do the anti-battery radars say? Where was the gunfire coming from?
As far as I know, missiles don't fly alone, there are shots by the dozen.
There was a recent video of a rocket returning to the launch site.
And surely the locations of the malls are known, why hit only one if genocide is the goal?

Really?



https://t.me/novinach/25076
https://t.me/novinach/25083

[mv1986]

Fucking anarchists have posted instructions on how to stage terrorist attacks.

That's what happens when your government lies to you and doesn't call things by their real names. You get confused and you think that the "not a war" won't come to Russia. It already has. If it helps, call it a special railroad operation.

Meanwhile Russian military continues targeting civilians:



(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

No, they are trying to break through Nazi Ukrainian's defense technology, aka "shields"...

[mv1986]

(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

And what do the anti-battery radars say? Where was the gunfire coming from?
As far as I know, missiles don't fly alone, there are shots by the dozen.
There was a recent video of a rocket returning to the launch site.
And surely the locations of the malls are known, why hit only one if genocide is the goal?

Genocide is a goal you can work towards in different ways right? It is "the way to go", the genocide, the result of a process. Hitler just forced people onto the streets, shot them in the head and threw them into mass graves (digged out by those who then got shot in the head). Even Putin knows that there are limits to the process that is supposed to lead to nothing else but genocide. If you fire one missile, you could still argue in front of the United Nations that it was an accident or what not. Or that it was the Ukrainians themselves. Or some other Russian troll shit from Kremlin.

Putin isn't stupid. He knows how to proceed in order to keep people like you brain-fucked. He must avoid at all costs that his troll army consisting of people like you doesn't have at least a tiny chance to twist the facts such that they fit into his narratives and somehow nurture the insane propaganda context spread on the state controlled media.

You see it works? You are so stupid that sometimes I think even Putin can't believe how easy it is to manipulate people. Just shoot one missile and the trolls will say "why only one missile if genocide?" Putin understands the slippery slope game. He is conducting a tightrope act in a certain way. Always push the boundaries a little further. If he decided to pull off a second Hitler, he'd probably get into military trouble. He makes a mini Hitler now that is snowballing step by step, hence making the decision harder for outside forces when to pull the trigger.

HAHA, omg, I am seriously shaking my head right now. I am wondering whether I should take a lesson with Putin on how to be smart and manipulate trolls or whether I should take one with trolls like you on how to be stupid and be manipulable. Both not very tempting and desirable, yet depressingly impressive in a very peculiar way. You are special, my friend. That's something, really!


@suchmoon: "only one". If you read a comment like that, do you have a comprehensible psychological explanation as to how someone could come up with that thought process? I am trying to, but I am puzzled, seriously. I feel like I am lacking a special kind of brain cells and synapses in order to reproduce the impulse and the following thought process to come to the conclusion that "only one" missile is "proof against genocide". My lord...

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Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

[paxmao]

(missile hits an apartment building in Mikolaiv)

And what do the anti-battery radars say? Where was the gunfire coming from?
As far as I know, missiles don't fly alone, there are shots by the dozen.
There was a recent video of a rocket returning to the launch site.
And surely the locations of the malls are known, why hit only one if genocide is the goal?

Again, confusing concepts. Genocide is the deliberate efforts to destroy a race, culture or religion. Destroying schools, hospitals, shopping centres and civil infrastructure in called "wanton destruction", which only seeks to impoverish the adversary and cause damage unrelated to the war.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though). The "Russification", imposing RF passports to access to services, imposing the rouble are quite borderline as of now.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”

Article 6(b) of the 1945 IMT Charter (Nuremberg) lists “wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity” as a war crime

ICC Statute
Under Article 8(2)(a)(iv) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[e]xtensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly” is a war crime in international armed conflicts. Under Article 8(2)(b)(xiii), “[d]estroying or seizing the enemy’s property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war” is also a war crime in international armed conflicts.

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The "Russification"

Forced Ukrainianization and name-changing is a long-standing fact.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”

And what is the military need for eight years of shelling Luhansk and Donetsk?
Or is it just for fun?

[paxmao]

The "Russification"

Forced Ukrainianization and name-changing is a long-standing fact.

Wanton destruction is still a war crime:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule50

Under Article 23(g) of the 1907 Hague Regulations, it is especially forbidden “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war”

And what is the military need for eight years of shelling Luhansk and Donetsk?
Or is it just for fun?

"Ukraniza??" whatever? Source please.

We have gone over this a number of times. The RF had effectively two army corps, led by RF officials in those two regions of Ukraine, so there was an effective undeclared war (sounds familiar) caused by Adolf Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#:~:text=Russian%20separatist%20forces%20in%20Donets,Luhansk%20People%27s%20Republic%20(LPR).

It is widely believed that the separatists are supported by the Russian Armed Forces.[13] Ukraine, the United States, and some analysts consider 1st and 2nd Army Corps to be Russian formations under the command of the 8th Combined Arms Army,[14][15][16][17] which was formed in 2017 in Novocherkassk, Rostov oblast. Although the Russian government often denies direct involvement, saying their soldiers were there voluntarily and not under orders, some of them have been captured with documents that said otherwise.[18] The separatists have admitted receiving supplies from Russia and being trained there. BBC reported that separatist ranks are composed of thousands of Russian citizens.[18][19] Registered Cossacks of the Russian Federation are also supporting the separatists. DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko claimed in August 2014 that there were around 3,000 to 4,000 Russian volunteers fighting for his militia, which included serving and retired Russian Army servicemen.[20] It is alleged that since September 2015, the separatist units, at the battalion level and up, are acting under direct command of Russian Army officers, with former local commanders sometimes serving as their deputies.[21]

Yes, shelling military objectives is part of war. Smashing a shopping mall full of people is a crime.

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"Ukraniza??" whatever? Source please.

Ask any Russian in Crimea and Donbass what became of their names in Ukrainian documents.

Yes, shelling military objectives is part of war. Smashing a shopping mall full of people is a crime.

Donetsk and Lugansk are what?


Picture of the missile that hit KredMash.
https://i.imgur.com/0kBvevx.jpg

[suchmoon]

Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)

[Waradlain]

Remembering how the EUput pressure on Lithuania during the conflict with China, I have a damn doubt they support their ally in the conflict with Russia. In the place of Lithuania, I wont count on anything from the EU other than requests/threats to cede to Russia.

Lithuania is in NATO, so it's unlikely to cede anything tangible. If the Baltic states hadn't joined NATO I'm sure Putin would have invaded them first and not Georgia or Ukraine.

Economically there is also not much to lose. Trade with Russia is under massive sanctions for decades to come.

I think you underestimate the readiness of some (many) European countries to continue cooperation with the Russians as before. There are no sanctions when it comes to Russian money. I personally spoke with a large European company that told me, to paraphrase, "if Gaddafi was alive, we would sell him too. But we prefer cash and quiet deals".

Germany never disappoints being a Russian dick rider.

[paxmao]

Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)

Neither do I, it would have to be a systematic attempt to kill or make impossible to survive based on culture, race, religion,... It may get to the point that it is possible to have specific proof that Ukrainians of non-Russian background are being targeted in the captured areas. It may not require a massive number of deaths, they can, like Uyghurs in China, be "encouraged" to leave their language or uses and marry a "Russian", go into "re-education" camps, or the children impeded from speaking their native tongue,... and killed or imprisoned if they do not abide.

One of the possibilities I can see more clearly fringing in the genocide is the "filtration" processes of people (forcefully) evacuated to the RF. We will read horror stories when Adolf Putin's regime fades.

Historically, Russia is expert at "conquering" territory by massive migration. Konigsberg (Kaliningrad now) is currently an enclave because, believe it or not, other countries did not want anything to do with it. This is completely serious, the USSR moved above a million Russ in there and after the dis-integration of the USSR, the surrounding countries (Including Lithuania and Poland) did not want to incorporate it!

For those interested, there are many videos (if you are young and do not read) available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K4tq-9osc

[BADecker]

Really?

And what about the genocide, how many were killed?
How many of these buildings were in use by the military at the time of the strike?

You claimed that "only one" shopping mall was attacked by the Russian military. That is obviously false. Nice job moving the goalposts though. At this point I can say "20k in Mariupol", you will spit out something from Channel 1 again, etc. We've been through this numerous times before you showed up in this thread.

As of now, genocide itself does not seem proven in Ukraine at large scale (there are instances at local level though).

I don't known what it takes to "prove" it officially but to me this type of thing does it - not the words themselves, but the facts matching those words, people being executed with their hands tied etc:

If you messed up, then try not to leave witnesses among the locals.
[...]
And what did you want salo-eaters?
War of extermination.
And we do not advise nonsense.

(telegram group of one of the "contract" units similar to Wagner; actual proper nazis so there's a great deal of irony here but I digress)

Neither do I, it would have to be a systematic attempt to kill or make impossible to survive based on culture, race, religion,... It may get to the point that it is possible to have specific proof that Ukrainians of non-Russian background are being targeted in the captured areas. It may not require a massive number of deaths, they can, like Uyghurs in China, be "encouraged" to leave their language or uses and marry a "Russian", go into "re-education" camps, or the children impeded from speaking their native tongue,... and killed or imprisoned if they do not abide.

One of the possibilities I can see more clearly fringing in the genocide is the "filtration" processes of people (forcefully) evacuated to the RF. We will read horror stories when Adolf Putin's regime fades.

Historically, Russia is expert at "conquering" territory by massive migration. Konigsberg (Kaliningrad now) is currently an enclave because, believe it or not, other countries did not want anything to do with it. This is completely serious, the USSR moved above a million Russ in there and after the dis-integration of the USSR, the surrounding countries (Including Lithuania and Poland) did not want to incorporate it!

For those interested, there are many videos (if you are young and do not read) available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K4tq-9osc

You just don't get it, do you. Russia today is not the same as the Russia of the USSR. Russian leaders today have seen that the USSR style of governing didn't work. Rather than using force, today's Russia is using fair trade to become friends with everybody.

But the Ukraine government hasn't learned what happened to Hitler in the end. The NAZI government was destroyed, or it went so far underground that it couldn't be effective. But here it is surfacing in the form of the government of Ukraine. And its surfacing is the same as Hitler would have it. It's like WW2 all over again.

Revelation 13:3

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

The head of the beast that had the fatal wound was Hitler's NAZIs. Now it is being healed, and the whole world (almost) is following the healing. When China and India offer their support of Ukraine, we will know that the head of the beast has been healed, and that NAZIs rule the world.

We have a whole bunch of NAZI supporters like paxmao Nazi-Hitler, who are way worse than any Adolf Putin could ever dream of being.