Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

As the bridge to Crimea partially opens a wave of patriotism emerges as thousands of cars queue up for hours. These patriots are going from Crimea to Moscow, to show how one can fight remotely (probably they are thinking of using Microsoft Teams) and still be a true believer in victory. Literally, I just saw a video of people fleeing Crimea declaring "I am going to Moscow to wait for victory there."

Repeat with me ... "I am safe in Putin's RF" ...

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[BADecker]

Repeat with me ... "I am safe in Putin's RF" ...

Hope you are happy in Moscow. Lol.     

[Waradlain]

It already becomes tradition, Russian army ''liberates'' Zaitseve village every month. C'mon, Konashnenkov, put some creativity into your work, you're starting to repeat too often.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xwm9wm/russian_draftees_exasperated_abandoned_left_in/

Russia doesn't seem to care about the quality of its cannon fodder too much, lately.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577930442694598657

Russia doesn't cares about their troops and threats them worse than animals - surprises, surprise. And winter is coming. But who needs quality when they have quantity, that's Russian logic

I've always wondered about these "allied forces" constantly mentioned, who they are. I mean, did we miss the moment when the Armenians entered the war? Iranians? The Pope with Mask? BADecker with Branko? Who are these forces?

[BADecker]

It already becomes tradition, Russian army ''liberates'' Zaitseve village every month. C'mon, Konashnenkov, put some creativity into your work, you're starting to repeat too often.
https://i.imgur.com/9JtgIpk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rzFgu2w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/brVeeWb.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xwm9wm/russian_draftees_exasperated_abandoned_left_in/

Russia doesn't seem to care about the quality of its cannon fodder too much, lately.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577930442694598657

Russia doesn't cares about their troops and threats them worse than animals - surprises, surprise. And winter is coming. But who needs quality when they have quantity, that's Russian logic

I've always wondered about these "allied forces" constantly mentioned, who they are. I mean, did we miss the moment when the Armenians entered the war? Iranians? The Pope with Mask? BADecker with Branko? Who are these forces?

Russian forces = BRICS and a few others. US forces = NATO minus some of them.

[LTU_btc]

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/meRGN.jpeg  https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/meTya.jpeg  https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/metKo.jpeg
http://1news.zp.ua/ru/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-posledstvij-nochnyh-raketnyh-udarov-po-zaporozhyu-foto/

This is a residential building destroyed by russian missiles in Zaporozhye. So far, 13 people have died and about 100 have been injured.
The blow was purposefully delivered to the objects of the housing stock, houses of the private sector were damaged.
There are no military facilities there.
The cowardly and vile russian army knows how to fight only with civilians.
russia is a country of pus, a country of terrorists.
And those who support russia are accomplices of terrorists, punishment will be inevitable.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/meFHT.jpeg

That's how terrorist state react to Crimea bridge explosion. Yes, several civilians were killed there, but such things happens every day in Ukraine, and at much bigger scale. We don't even know exaclty what's happening in occupied cities. I'm afraid that with more cities getting deocupied we will see much more terrible things than we saw in Bucha, Izyum and other cities.

Not saying that it is a case here, but previously Amnesty International accused Ukraine of using
schools, kindergartens and hospitals as military objects, so they can accuse Russia if they strike
back...seems like useful PR tool

Yeah, it's useful PR tool for Russia. Now they can justify hitting civilian infrastructures like apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and etc like it was military object, base of Azov nationalists or secret biological weapons lab.

[Waradlain]

It already becomes tradition, Russian army ''liberates'' Zaitseve village every month. C'mon, Konashnenkov, put some creativity into your work, you're starting to repeat too often.
https://i.imgur.com/9JtgIpk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rzFgu2w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/brVeeWb.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xwm9wm/russian_draftees_exasperated_abandoned_left_in/

Russia doesn't seem to care about the quality of its cannon fodder too much, lately.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577930442694598657

Russia doesn't cares about their troops and threats them worse than animals - surprises, surprise. And winter is coming. But who needs quality when they have quantity, that's Russian logic

I've always wondered about these "allied forces" constantly mentioned, who they are. I mean, did we miss the moment when the Armenians entered the war? Iranians? The Pope with Mask? BADecker with Branko? Who are these forces?

Russian forces = BRICS and a few others. US forces = NATO minus some of them.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Whose infantry is involved exactly?

[icopress]

Burial of the civilian population (video not for the faint of heart). 

Code:

https://t.me/catars_is/20252

[DaRude]

...In a nuclear war there is no winner. The first strike is guaranteed to be followed by a response (it could even not be a nuke, but certainly proportional and devastating)... and from there nobody knows...

Can we stop pretending that instead of protecting its members NATO countries signed up to start a nuclear Armageddon for any tactical nuclear blast in any country around the globe? I realize that that's what UA has been desperately asking for but literally no NATO general or leader of ANY NATO country agreed to anything close to that. That's not how article 5 works

RU nuke attack in UA != RU nuke attack on NATO

Edit: I'm not saying RU should nuke UA, and i'm against all nuke attacks, but distinction must be made

everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA.

What happens is that Russians start retreating. 200+ tanks have already been sent from the EU and NATO to Ukraine so it's not a hypothetical question like you're trying to make it sound.

It would be very helpful if you'd educate yourself on a subject before commenting. Or you should let Z know that they need to stop asking for tanks as their highest priority. Because Putin is not bluffing about retaliating with a nuke

As Ukraine pleads for tanks, the West holds back
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Ukraine is asking urgently for modern tanks to help their forces seize on rapid gains in the northeast and take additional territory, but the West is dragging its feet
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The tanks have shot to the top of Kyiv’s wish list
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The request took on new urgency this week after Vladimir Putin announced that he would mobilize 300,000 additional troops for the fight in Ukraine, a major escalation of the campaign.
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The more modern American-made M-1 Abrams and German-made Leopard tanks would add a powerful punch that could help Kyiv’s forces capture and hold more ground, compared to the old Soviet-era tanks they currently operate, say experts and Ukrainian advisers
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But Germany has repeatedly rejected Ukraine’s request for the tanks
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“It’s top of their list now, it didn’t used to be,” said one congressional staffer familiar with the request
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One adviser to the Ukrainian government said “the Ukrainians definitely want the Leopards” and have been frustrated that Germany has denied the permits to Spain and other countries that were willing to donate them
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German defense company Rheinmetall also requested government approval to export 88 Leopard tanks to Ukraine, but Berlin refused to grant permission.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-requests-american-tanks-counteroffensive-00058303

This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin.

Putin can deescalate any time he wants. Until then nothing is being dropped.

Sure, technically he can also decide just to gift Crimea to UA again on Z's birthday, and many other things, by why would he? I understand that propaganda would like everyone to think that RU can just turn around, drink some tea at home and everything goes back to normal, but everyone realizes that backing out would mean dissolution of RU as we know it, there is no off ramp for Russia on this. That's why mobilization and talks about nukes, that's what an existential threat means, RU has no choice but stand till the end on this one way or the other), hypothetically even if for some reason Putin goes mad and decides just to say sorry and turn the troops around, as was discussed previously, chances are there would be a military coup and a military general or a communist take over that same day. The illusion that there's some opposition in Russia that is anti-war, green, liberal, and EU loving second in line waiting to jump in, is just that, an illusion. Now Biden on the other hand, can deescalate any time he wants (lack of new significant military commitments is an indication to me that he already started)

Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off

Funny how you kremlinists fantasize about nukes and yet are looking for ways to blame the other side for it. Just admit it that the conventional war is lost and get out of there while you can still save your country. Nuking Ukraine (and Russia in the process) is not going to win the war.

RU is just going through it's first partial mobilization but sure i have no problem admitting that RU's regular military force was not enough to counter all of NATO's military equipment that's depleting US & EU stock with pretty much fully mobilized Ukraine

This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply.

Blowing up Russian supply lines is an important ongoing project for Ukrainian military and unlikely to have anything to do with desperation or some nuclear fantasies. But there is no Biden speech and no tweets from Polish politicians on the subject so your standards of proof are slipping. Are you sure the truck wasn't carrying sugar from Ryazan?

We seem to be in between the denial and anger stages now. As things get more desperate for UA their attack will completely stall before reversing within a month or so. We'll enter the anger stage with more pointless attacks inside RU and more and more radical statements (about preemptive nukes, someone providing MAD assurances to UA etc...) and straight up radical accusations from Z and his team towards the west. If by January UA is still taking land from RU I'll fully agree that my assessment was wrong

This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing.

What are you talking about.  You know Russia literally invaded and is occupying parts of Ukraine right now, right? This is what happens when one country invades another country on it's border and attempts long term occupation despite failing to conquer the other countries military or being capable of both occupying the other country and defending it's own infrastructure.  Shit starts blowing up on both sides of the border.

And anyone  that is genuinely outraged that Ukraine would behave this way, or feels like Russia is in any way the innocent victim is delusional.

Yes, i'm aware. It's quiet natural to go after the supply lines of the opponent and it would be dumb not to, but the problem is when attacks continue on a nuclear power plant even after RU took over the territory and was forced to shut all 6 reactors of the nuclear power plant. Guess propaganda logic dictates that's what just Orcs do, attack their own disabled power plant risking nuclear contamination of their own land now? And all of the gloating and instigation about nuclear retaliation on Putins birthday (for still functioning bridge) just don't seem right (don't have to go too far even in this thread)

...Now I remember words of drunk clown Dimon Medvedev about judgement day if Ukraine will attack Crimea. Or nothing didn't happened again?...

[TwitchySeal]

Can we stop pretending that instead of protecting its members NATO countries signed up to start a nuclear Armageddon for any tactical nuclear blast in any country around the globe?

Are you pretending that other people are pretending that?  It doesn't even make sense.  Why would someone pretend that countries want a nuclear Armageddon, and if that's what NATO wanted, why wouldn't it of already happened?

[suchmoon]

It would be very helpful if you'd educate yourself on a subject before commenting. Or you should let Z know that they need to stop asking for tanks as their highest priority. Putin is not bluffing about retaliating with a nuke.

Retaliating for what? Ukraine has been getting tanks, AFV/IFV, artillery, SAM and other missiles, and a bunch of other stuff from NATO countries for many months now. But sending some additional tanks now would justify a nuclear response? Rhetorical question BTW. It wouldn't. Trying to spin into "Ukrainians fault for getting nuked" is still as absurd as it always was.

Sure, technically he can also decide just to gift Crimea to UA again on Z's birthday, and many other things, by why would he? I understand that propaganda would like everyone to think that RU can just turn around, drink some tea at home and everything goes back to normal, but everyone realizes that backing out would mean dissolution of RU as we know it, there is no off ramp for Russia on this.

All other things being equal, losing the war would result in the same or worse outcome, except after more months or years of costly war.

That's why mobilization and talks about nukes, that's what an existential threat means, RU has no choice but stand till the end on this one way or the other), hypothetically even if for some reason Putin goes mad and decides just to say sorry and turn the troops around, as was discussed previously, chances are there would be a military coup and a military general or a communist take over that same day.

Oh no, the horror, the dictator could be replaced, possibly with another dictator. How will we ever get over this.

The illusion that there's some opposition in Russia that is anti-war, green, liberal, and EU loving second in line waiting to jump in, is just that, an illusion. Now Biden on the other hand, can deescalate any time he wants (lack of new significant military commitments is an indication to me that he already started)

Lend-lease just barely started. That's about as big of a commitment as it gets.

RU is just going through it's first partial mobilization but sure i have no problem admitting that RU's regular military force was not enough to counter all of NATO's military equipment that's depleting US & EU stock with pretty much fully mobilized Ukraine.

That's quite pathetic, pretty much copypasta from Kremlins excuse list. After months of losing military equipment and personnel, Russia can't plug these holes with untrained cannon fodder. Mobilized drunks can't fly airplanes and can't make airplanes. The best they can do is get a rusty Kalash and shoot it the general direction of the enemy.

We seem to be in between the denial and anger stages now. As things get more desperate for UA their attack will completely stall before reversing within a month or so. We'll enter the anger stage with more pointless attacks inside RU and more and more radical statements (about preemptive nukes, someone providing MAD assurances to UA etc...) and straight up radical accusations from Z and his team towards the west. If by January UA is still taking land from RU I'll fully agree that my assessment was wrong

Nuclear fantasies aside (again), Ukrainians have been bombing the shit out of Russian supply routes and depots etc for months now, while Russian response has fizzled. There is a reason they're using Iranian mopeds and had to modify C300 for surface-to-surface use and keep blatantly targeting high-density residential buildings. Let's see if you can figure that reason out before January.

[DaRude]

Can we stop pretending that instead of protecting its members NATO countries signed up to start a nuclear Armageddon for any tactical nuclear blast in any country around the globe?

Are you pretending that other people are pretending that?  It doesn't even make sense.  Why would someone pretend that countries want a nuclear Armageddon, and if that's what NATO wanted, why wouldn't it of already happened?

Glad we agree that RU nuclear strike on UA doesn't mean there will be a nuclear response or a war between NATO and RU. No you missed my point, NATO doesn't want Armageddon (in fact this is exactly the reason why they're refusing to send modern tanks to UA).

It would be very helpful if you'd educate yourself on a subject before commenting. Or you should let Z know that they need to stop asking for tanks as their highest priority. Putin is not bluffing about retaliating with a nuke.

Retaliating for what? Ukraine has been getting tanks, AFV/IFV, artillery, SAM and other missiles, and a bunch of other stuff from NATO countries for many months now. But sending some additional tanks now would justify a nuclear response? Rhetorical question BTW. It wouldn't. Trying to spin into "Ukrainians fault for getting nuked" is still as absurd as it always was.

Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

Sure, technically he can also decide just to gift Crimea to UA again on Z's birthday, and many other things, by why would he? I understand that propaganda would like everyone to think that RU can just turn around, drink some tea at home and everything goes back to normal, but everyone realizes that backing out would mean dissolution of RU as we know it, there is no off ramp for Russia on this.

All other things being equal, losing the war would result in the same or worse outcome, except after more months or years of costly war.

Agreed. So RU options are either take a chance to hold on to their resources and deliveries to EU or a guaranteed dissolution. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why they're doing what they're doing

That's why mobilization and talks about nukes, that's what an existential threat means, RU has no choice but stand till the end on this one way or the other), hypothetically even if for some reason Putin goes mad and decides just to say sorry and turn the troops around, as was discussed previously, chances are there would be a military coup and a military general or a communist take over that same day.

Oh no, the horror, the dictator could be replaced, possibly with another dictator. How will we ever get over this.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

The illusion that there's some opposition in Russia that is anti-war, green, liberal, and EU loving second in line waiting to jump in, is just that, an illusion. Now Biden on the other hand, can deescalate any time he wants (lack of new significant military commitments is an indication to me that he already started)

Lend-lease just barely started. That's about as big of a commitment as it gets.

I suggest you check new commitments and deliveries to UA after RU declared partial mobilization

RU is just going through it's first partial mobilization but sure i have no problem admitting that RU's regular military force was not enough to counter all of NATO's military equipment that's depleting US & EU stock with pretty much fully mobilized Ukraine.

That's quite pathetic, pretty much copypasta from Kremlins excuse list. After months of losing military equipment and personnel, Russia can't plug these holes with untrained cannon fodder. Mobilized drunks can't fly airplanes and can't make airplanes. The best they can do is get a rusty Kalash and shoot it the general direction of the enemy.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?    

We seem to be in between the denial and anger stages now. As things get more desperate for UA their attack will completely stall before reversing within a month or so. We'll enter the anger stage with more pointless attacks inside RU and more and more radical statements (about preemptive nukes, someone providing MAD assurances to UA etc...) and straight up radical accusations from Z and his team towards the west. If by January UA is still taking land from RU I'll fully agree that my assessment was wrong

Nuclear fantasies aside (again), Ukrainians have been bombing the shit out of Russian supply routes and depots etc for months now, while Russian response has fizzled. There is a reason they're using Iranian mopeds and had to modify C300 for surface-to-surface use and keep blatantly targeting high-density residential buildings. Let's see if you can figure that reason out before January.

hope you're right and we won't see more IEDs blowing up in Russia

[TwitchySeal]

Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

Right now you're pretending that NATO has only sent old Soviet era junk to Ukraine.

It seems like risk of escalation is not a major factor in why NATO has yet to send any modern tanks.  It is *a* factor, as it would be an escalation, but not as big of a factor as long range missiles for example. Tank supplies are more limited compared to other weapons, they require more training and maintenance, and the US is concerned about transfer of technical knowledge of their Abrhams to Russia. 

Also, Russia has been giving Ukraine more tanks than they know what to do with.

[paxmao]

https://i.imgur.com/Qo8Il1d.jpg  https://i.imgur.com/6hK6EXz.jpg  https://i.imgur.com/QtSul4U.jpg
http://1news.zp.ua/ru/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-posledstvij-nochnyh-raketnyh-udarov-po-zaporozhyu-foto/

This is a residential building destroyed by russian missiles in Zaporozhye. So far, 13 people have died and about 100 have been injured.
The blow was purposefully delivered to the objects of the housing stock, houses of the private sector were damaged.
There are no military facilities there.
The cowardly and vile russian army knows how to fight only with civilians.
russia is a country of pus, a country of terrorists.
And those who support russia are accomplices of terrorists, punishment will be inevitable.

https://i.imgur.com/7lxgXUE.jpg

That's how terrorist state react to Crimea bridge explosion. Yes, several civilians were killed there, but such things happens every day in Ukraine, and at much bigger scale. We don't even know exaclty what's happening in occupied cities. I'm afraid that with more cities getting deocupied we will see much more terrible things than we saw in Bucha, Izyum and other cities.

Not saying that it is a case here, but previously Amnesty International accused Ukraine of using
schools, kindergartens and hospitals as military objects, so they can accuse Russia if they strike
back...seems like useful PR tool

Yeah, it's useful PR tool for Russia. Now they can justify hitting civilian infrastructures like apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and etc like it was military object, base of Azov nationalists or secret biological weapons lab.

It would be ideal to be able to hit a bridge, which is (in this case) critical war infrastructure, minus anyone travelling on it. Quite different from hitting a school or a shopping mall IMO. Not to mention killing the Skripals in a foreign country not at war, in case people are forgetting.

This links with the expelling of the "legal" spies (diplomatic status) and an intensified pressure on the rest of the networks - this is putting pressure on intelligence. It also speaks of how Adolf Putin's regime of cleptocracy fails to provide patriotic incentives to the spies even at a commanding level, which means that they are much more into getting a bigger car and a larger dacha than in defending the country. Cooking the intelligence, faking reports and getting info publicly available in internet is everyday, as well as taking cuts from informants payments.

On another matter, from an Ukrainian soldier in training: "The assault tactics of the Russians are well known: they place the newly recruited and unexperienced cannon fodder at the front, hoping to keep us busy killing them while trying to flank or surprise". DO NOT DIE FOR PUTIN. DO NOT LET YOURSELF BE DRAFTED.

Repeat with me ... "I am safe in Putin's RF" ...

Hope you are happy in Moscow. Lol.    

You are no longer even trying to makes sense, are you? You have to quit it or start taking it, which ever of the two you are not doing.

[suchmoon]

Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  

Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces.

The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it.

[paxmao]

Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  

Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces.

The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it.

Pretty much spot on. He takes Crimea, then Easter Ukraine and the Fakepublics of the Dombas, then a corridor to the Fakepublic of Transnistria, they liberating the oppressed Russian living un Hungary, then a corridor to Konigsberg, ... From the European perspective, this has to end here and now. From the Ukrainian perspective, they do not want to be drafted as slaves, not having to survive the next Holodomor nor be the buffer for Putin's aggressions. And believe that some of the fighters in Ukraine speak well of the Commies, so Adolf Putin must have gotten something really wrong here.

Regarding soviet equipment, some people say that it is running thin, my personal take is that there is still a lot of rusty old iron. It is not fit for a modern war, but it kills when used and they do have a shitload of it. The issue is if in modern RF there is still space for a forceful recruiting of an army of slaves - Adolf Putin may have gotten that wrong too.

[BADecker]

Right now we're pretending to not know the difference between old Soviet junk and modern tanks? But please entertain us with your version of why NATO is not sending modern tanks to UA? Perhaps they're too busy playing Dota? Or requests just keep getting lost? Or they can send millions of 155mm shells but logistics to send tanks are just too hard? Or they're secret RU Orcs too?

It's the same old Soviet junk that Russia is planning to win the war with, or better. I still don't know why you're so obsessed with tanks - or only specific brands of tanks - as if that constitutes a worse threat to Russia than e.g. HIMARS, but Russia already lost a shitload of tanks (being captured or destroyed by Ukraine) and can't make anymore, so it doesn't really take a math genius to see where the balance shifting.

Sure let's extend all this effort for a high probability of a worse outcome? Worked so great in Afghanistan and Libya right?

I think you've missed the point. There is no "good" outcome. Let's say Putin takes Ukraine. Then he wants Poland. The whole thing starts over, just much worse.

Right how mobilized Russians with previous combat experience could possibly compare with super mega ultra warrior conscripts of Ukraine and super sober uber special forces of the 8th? mobilization wave of Ukraine?  

Not the best of your straw people. I'm talking about the Russian forces.

The 200k invasion army was supposedly better trained and better equipped and had other advantages like robust air support and still functioning supply lines. What happened to those soldiers? No one cares, let's throw another 300k into it, just with less of everything, and see how that works out. Maybe shift some generals around, yeah, that'll do it.

Pretty much spot on. He takes Crimea, then Easter Ukraine and the Fakepublics of the Dombas, then a corridor to the Fakepublic of Transnistria, they liberating the oppressed Russian living un Hungary, then a corridor to Konigsberg, ... From the European perspective, this has to end here and now. From the Ukrainian perspective, they do not want to be drafted as slaves, not having to survive the next Holodomor nor be the buffer for Putin's aggressions. And believe that some of the fighters in Ukraine speak well of the Commies, so Adolf Putin must have gotten something really wrong here.

Regarding soviet equipment, some people say that it is running thin, my personal take is that there is still a lot of rusty old iron. It is not fit for a modern war, but it kills when used and they do have a shitload of it. The issue is if in modern RF there is still space for a forceful recruiting of an army of slaves - Adolf Putin may have gotten that wrong too.

Thank goodness that somebody finally released these people from US slavery.

It is said that Stalin might have killed as many as 60 million people in Soviet Union lands. This has been the focus of the media as the US goes to other nations around the world and kills people there... way more than Stalin could have ever thought of doing. Russia changed with the fall of the USSR, realizing that force doesn't get things done like Stalin was trying to do.

In the Ukraine, Russia has released the people of about 20% of Ukraine from the US-style of killing. But the rest of the Ukraine is still under murderous US control. And Zelensky is proving it by using his people for human shields, and often by directly bombing and harming people in his attempt to oust Russia so that his US bosses are happy.

[coolcoinz]

Not saying that it is a case here, but previously Amnesty International accused Ukraine of using
schools, kindergartens and hospitals as military objects, so they can accuse Russia if they strike
back...seems like useful PR tool

According to Russian logic if you keep wounded soldiers in a hospital it becomes a military object. This means that if people see a wounded soldier they should ignore him and let him die instead of taking him to a nearby hospital. A hospital where there's 100 civilians and 20 wounded soldiers is going to be targeted because Russians will say it's a military target.
I say bomb the Kremlin because there's a number of military personnel present there at all times, therefore it's a military target.

[Sheriff Woody]

From all what is happening in Russia, what are the citizens saying about the current happenings Why cant they put down Mr X and all this will be history, because millions of people have been displaced, thousands injured and hundeds killed, all this all because of selfish desires by a few individuals. The world is bigger than one man or should i say a few individuals! Peace and Love must win this fight.

[af_newbie]

From all what is happening in Russia, what are the citizens saying about the current happenings Why cant they put down Mr X and all this will be history, because millions of people have been displaced, thousands injured and hundeds killed, all this all because of selfish desires by a few individuals. The world is bigger than one man or should i say a few individuals! Peace and Love must win this fight.

A vast majority really supports Putin, the rest is scared of the consequences of not supporting him.

Some brave and smarter ones already left the country.

As Putin continues to target civilian infrastructure to appease his fervent supporters, leaders of civilized countries will distance themselves
from him.

Only terrorists would talk to this gnome during the G20 meeting next month.

[darkangel11]

From all what is happening in Russia, what are the citizens saying about the current happenings Why cant they put down Mr X and all this will be history, because millions of people have been displaced, thousands injured and hundeds killed, all this all because of selfish desires by a few individuals. The world is bigger than one man or should i say a few individuals! Peace and Love must win this fight.

The number of people detained in Russia for protesting against the country's partial military mobilization has risen to nearly 2,500 people across the country, as prominent pro-Kremlin voices have begun questioning the way the draft is being conducted.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-protests-mobilization-ukraine-war/32052011.html


They are protesting but in Russia they have special police trained to fight protesters and these guys are brutal. They don't care if you're a woman or a child, everybody gets hit with batons and sprayed with tear gas the same way and then they drag you to a prison transport and you don't get a phone call to family like in the US, or a hot meal. More likely they'll make you take your clothes off and leave you naked for the night or come back in a few hours to beat you. You don't get to experience this in "normal" countries. You need big balls to be an anti government protester in Russia or Belarus.