Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[TwitchySeal]

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

We're pretending now that you can't read Russian?

What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike.

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO?

As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure.

Things Putin fan boys freak out about:

Zelensky has money in other countries.
Zelensky has big house.
Zelensky made a statement that can be twisted into Nuclear threat.
Azov battalion has ties to neo nazis.

Meanwhile, Wagner group has ties to neo nazi, and they are many times bigger than Azov.
Putin has many times more money than Z.
Putin has many houses many times bigger than Z.
Putin has been making nuclear threats for 10+ years.

What they should be concerned about is who is better looking and who has more global approval. 

The Crimean bridge is 'out of service'.

Sorry for the inconvenience. ROFL.

Looks like Ukraine sent fireworks for Putins 70th birthday.

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[PaperWallet]

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

We're pretending now that you can't read Russian?

What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike.

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO?

As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure.

Things Putin fan boys freak out about:

Zelensky has money in other countries.
Zelensky has big house.
Zelensky made a statement that can be twisted into Nuclear threat.
Azov battalion has ties to neo nazis.

Meanwhile, Wagner group has ties to neo nazi, and they are many times bigger than Azov.
Putin has many times more money than Z.
Putin has many houses many times bigger than Z.
Putin has been making nuclear threats for 10+ years.

What they should be concerned about is who is better looking and who has more global approval. 

The Crimean bridge is 'out of service'.

Sorry for the inconvenience. ROFL.

Looks like Ukraine sent fireworks for Putins 70th birthday.

It's like a mad children argument on who's got the more houses loses. A social justice warrior badge should be given here

[Lucius]

Happy birthday, Mr. President🧯

https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464

Somehow it seems to me that Kennedy enjoyed his gift more

[suchmoon]

and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??  

Given that this is again made up and not at all what I said, I think I'll leave it to your fantasies.

Let's enjoy the birthday fireworks instead.

[nutildah]

It's like a mad children argument on who's got the more houses loses. A social justice warrior badge should be given here

The only reason you ever write anything here is to give yourself the illusion that you have some semblance of power and control over your own life... When you post, you're not really talking to anybody, just re-asserting yourself. It's been kind of fascinating to watch, NGL.

So far the best excuse I've heard for the war from the pro-Putin, pro-invasion and pro-bloodshed side is that "Well America has done bad things, too."

If you're Russian, then I kind of get it. You feel a patriotic duty to support your president. A lot of Americans were tricked into thinking the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11 were necessary, with the government really playing into the patriotism aspect to get the support of the populace. So I don't blame you.

This will be my only post here. Hope the war ends soon. Its been bad for Bitcoin, and pretty much everything else in the world, if you hadn't noticed.

[BADecker]

^^^ Outside of good vs. evil, the bottom-line reason for this war is that Russia won't succumb to the fake fiat money system started by the Federal Reserve Bank, and run by the US. That's it. Period.

Nobody is right or good in the money operations of the world, but...

Russia is better, because it simply wants to trade with other nations...

While the US banking system wants to cheat, lie and steal in their trade relations. If you don't believe it about the US banking system, study this thread >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414658.msg60995801#msg60995801.

[TwitchySeal]

The only reason you ever write anything here is to give yourself the illusion that you have some semblance of power and control over your own life... When you post, you're not really talking to anybody, just re-asserting yourself. It's been kind of fascinating to watch, NGL.

So far the best excuse I've heard for the war from the pro-Putin, pro-invasion and pro-bloodshed side is that "Well America has done bad things, too."

If you're Russian, then I kind of get it. You feel a patriotic duty to support your president. A lot of Americans were tricked into thinking the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11 were necessary, with the government really playing into the patriotism aspect to get the support of the populace. So I don't blame you.

This will be my only post here. Hope the war ends soon. Its been bad for Bitcoin, and pretty much everything else in the world, if you hadn't noticed.

tvbcof hot takes just need a little time to age...

LOCAL IN UKRAINE "NO WAR HERE" & COMPLETELY FAKE ASS MSM NEWS FOOTAGE & NARRATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/htTj6cGnTgZC/

This is turning into a pretty good comedy.  Especially enjoyable is watching the reactions of the (highly vaxxed) mouth breathers who watch the mainstream media and think it's real.

[BADecker]

Has the Ukraine military had any success? If it has, here's why. The US military has been in Ukraine helping them for months.


Report: US Special Operations Forces are on the Ground in Ukraine

US special operations forces are on the ground in Ukraine as part of a broad covert operation that includes CIA personnel, The Intercept reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed US intelligence and military officials.

The report said that the US withdrew its CIA and special operations assets from Ukraine shortly before Russia's invasion, although one US official said the CIA "never completely left."

The CIA initially predicted that Kyiv would fall quickly to Russia, but after it became clear that wouldn't happen, the Biden administration sent its covert assets back into Ukraine.

The report said that US clandestine operations inside Ukraine "are now far more extensive than they were early in the war, when US intelligence officials were fearful that Russia would steamroll over the Ukrainian army."

Several current and former intelligence officials said that there "is a much larger presence of both CIA and US special operations personnel and resources in Ukraine than there were at the time of the Russian invasion in February."

Back in June, The New York Times reported that there was a CIA presence in Ukraine, but it made no mention of US special operations forces. The Times report did say that several US allies have special operations troops in Ukraine, including Britain, France, Canada, and Lithuania.

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[tvbcof]

The only reason you ever write anything here is to give yourself the illusion that you have some semblance of power and control over your own life... When you post, you're not really talking to anybody, just re-asserting yourself. It's been kind of fascinating to watch, NGL.

So far the best excuse I've heard for the war from the pro-Putin, pro-invasion and pro-bloodshed side is that "Well America has done bad things, too."

If you're Russian, then I kind of get it. You feel a patriotic duty to support your president. A lot of Americans were tricked into thinking the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11 were necessary, with the government really playing into the patriotism aspect to get the support of the populace. So I don't blame you.

This will be my only post here. Hope the war ends soon. Its been bad for Bitcoin, and pretty much everything else in the world, if you hadn't noticed.

Nice take, but pretty much dead wrong.  I have an unusual amount 'power and control' over my own life (thanks to Bitcoin.)  If you look at my predictions for Russian in Ukraine at the start of this thing, you'll find that I was about the only one (worldwide) who nailed it about what the Rooskies probably wanted and what they would probably do.  I seek mainly to give people an alternate view of what they hear from the 'experts' for the benefit of those who can make some use of it.  Morons make up their own wild fantasies about what the Rooskies want, and then when it doesn't happen they claim it was a failure.  People who listened to the alternate viewpoint (mine) won't have to spin their wheels with such fantasies...but then they miss out on some warm fuzzy feelings on account of their false 'wins' as well I suppose.

America is not really even the America I grew up in, and has become exponentially more evil and has exponentially fewer 'saving graces'.  It makes no sense to fight for a country which has been decapitated and the head replace with little red people with pointed tails (or tiny hats as the case may be.)  That is equally true for the U.S. and Ukraine.  How anyone could sacrifed so much as a toe-nail for either Biden or Zelenski is beyond me.  Russia seems to be generally improving (since Yeltsin) while the U.S. is in free-fall.  That's why I tend to favor Russia generally.  They also don't lie as much and I hate liars.  I never gave two fucks about sports teams and the like.  I'm one of those people who is just wired that way.  I base my preferences on unbiased analysis, or try to, and again it's natural for me.

I took a healthy dose of red-pilling when I was a participant (wearing an American uniform) in Iraq-I.  Within a few days of 9/11 I could see it was a hoax, so of course I was vehemently opposed to the occupations.  I was already familiar with Rumsfeld and Cheney's games from the Bush-I timeframe and they were not fooling me with their bullshit.

I'll be happy when it ends simply because it's largely the wrong people who are being killed on both sides.  Hopefully it evolves into, or promulgates, a world-wide situation where the right people are getting killed.  They richly deserve it and until it does start to go that direction the plebs all around the world will be feeling increasingly dead or enslaved.  Won't likely happen until the 'vax' depopulation really gets rolling though.  Hopefully after that there will be a window of opportunity.

[LTU_btc]

Today morning I haven't checked news and when my father told me that Crimea bridge got destroyed, I thought that he is joking. But damn, that was nice birthday gift and fireworks for Putin.
Now I remember words of drunk clown Dimon Medvedev about judgement day if Ukraine will attack Crimea. Or nothing didn't happened again?

This attack tells a lot about quality of Crimea bridge. Look at Antonivka bridge in Kherson. Ukraine bombing it with HIMARS for few months. It got damaged significantly, but it's still standing. While after one big explosion, part of Crimea bridge decided to leave Russian Federation and join Black Sea. I'm wondering how much money were stolen when they were building this bridge.

[DaRude]

and you're trying to spin this as if he was talking in past tense, like as if he was answering what NATO should've done before Feb 24??  

Given that this is again made up and not at all what I said, I think I'll leave it to your fantasies.

Let's enjoy the birthday fireworks instead.

Take it you don't read the stuff you yourself quote either?

But it would be phenomenal if Zelensky got this prize after his recent statements about NATO "preemptive strikes" against Russia.
Any reasonable person understands that such actions can lead to a nuclear apocalypse and the destruction of all life on the planet.

Quit making shit up.

In a speech on Oct. 6, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that NATO’s goal was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He made a broad appeal, stating: “I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russians] know what will happen to them and not vice versa.”

Top Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the foreign minister, and Dmitry Peskov, a spokesperson for the Kremlin, charged Zelensky with inciting nuclear war.

Trying to provide reassurance that Ukraine would never advocate the deployment of nuclear weapons, Zelensky’s spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov clarified that the president was in fact referring to precautionary sanctions to be implemented prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion.

“Colleagues, you have come a little far away with your nuclear hysteria and now you hear nuclear strikes even where that was not said. The president spoke about the period until February 24. Then it was necessary to apply measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preventative sanctions,” Nykyforov stressed.

“Only the terrorist state of Russia allows itself to blackmail the world… and hint in every possible way at the use of nuclear weapons. You will never hear such calls from Ukraine,” he added.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the President’s Office, said that Zelensky didn’t mention anything about a preemptive nuclear strike and that it was just another Russian fake.

“Another Russian fake. Not a single word from Zelensky about a preemptive nuclear strike on the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said. “Zelensky just reminded listeners of Russian nuclear blackmail and suggested that the world preemptively outline the consequences for Russia and strengthen strikes against the Russian Federation – sanctions and armed assistance.

For his part, Russian president Vladimir Putin has already threatened the Ukrainian counteroffensive with nuclear weapons.

On Sep. 21, Putin made a veiled nuclear weapons reference, stating: “When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can – this is not a bluff.”

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On a bright side all the nuclear talk means we're reaching the pinnacle of this conflict. Believe most agree that this is an existential threat for Russia and Biden's Armageddon speech as well as Z himself claiming that Russia isn't bluffing on using tactical nukes means that positions are clear and everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA. We went through RU partial mobilization and taking UA territories, and luckily no commitment to send tanks (they announced a weak military aid package with 18 new HIMARS which everyone realizes is not enough to counter, but even that came with the caveat The highly-prized HIMARS artillery system in the US’s latest $1.1 billion security assistance package for Ukraine will take a few years to be built, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.). To no ones surprise we're reaching the culmination of this conflict, and no one seems to want a nuclear war over this. This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin. Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off

Ukrainian officials have called on world leaders to issue a firm warning to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, making it clear that any attempt to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine would result in catastrophic consequences for Russia.
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“The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory – in this case the territory of Ukraine – there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,” said Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior aide to Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, in an interview at the presidential administration in Kyiv.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/21/kyiv-urges-west-to-spell-out-how-it-would-respond-to-russian-nuclear-strike

I believe he got his answer, UA attempt to fast-track to NATO was shut down with “not the right time” so no article 5. This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply.

[paxmao]

I would need a few clear verifiable sources to believe  that Zelensky is asking from preventive strikes or for that matter, anything that means using or attacking  with or to nuclear weapons or the systems that enable a nuclear response.  In a nuclear war there is no winner. The first strike is guaranteed to be followed by a response (it could even not be a nuke, but certainly proportional and devastating)... and from there nobody knows.

A different thing is asking about readiness in case Putin and the Psychos think they have nothing to loose and recur to a tactical nuke or a limited nuclear mid range cruise.

RE bridge of Crimea, in my understanding it simply means that the US and possibly allies have made clear that they can also destroy expensive and critical infrastructure "outside-ish RF territory" as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response.

On the tactical side, that bridge down means that it will be slightly more difficult to reinforce or trade with Crimea and more expensive to maintain it as RF controlled territory.

Oh, by the way, the orc slaves seem to be having patriotism issues with the Rodina. They insist on eating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWLYcfRC0jE

[suchmoon]

everyone knows what happens if US/EU escalates and sends tanks to UA.

What happens is that Russians start retreating. 200+ tanks have already been sent from the EU and NATO to Ukraine so it's not a hypothetical question like you're trying to make it sound.

This means that support for Ukraine is being dropped and deescalation can finally begin.

Putin can deescalate any time he wants. Until then nothing is being dropped.

Of course this is not good for UA government and they're well aware of this, ironically the only way out of this for them at this stage is a full nuke stand off

Funny how you kremlinists fantasize about nukes and yet are looking for ways to blame the other side for it. Just admit it that the conventional war is lost and get out of there while you can still save your country. Nuking Ukraine (and Russia in the process) is not going to win the war.

This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing. It happened around 6am so appears that caution was taken to limit civilian casualties, this gives me hope that there won't be any mass scale IEDs on Russia to really push for a reply.

Blowing up Russian supply lines is an important ongoing project for Ukrainian military and unlikely to have anything to do with desperation or some nuclear fantasies. But there is no Biden speech and no tweets from Polish politicians on the subject so your standards of proof are slipping. Are you sure the truck wasn't carrying sugar from Ryazan?

[TwitchySeal]

This symbolism of blowing up a bridge with an VBIED supposedly on Putins birthday feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to get RU to react, but looks like cooler heads are prevailing.

What are you talking about.  You know Russia literally invaded and is occupying parts of Ukraine right now, right? This is what happens when one country invades another country on it's border and attempts long term occupation despite failing to conquer the other countries military or being capable of both occupying the other country and defending it's own infrastructure.  Shit starts blowing up on both sides of the border.

And anyone  that is genuinely outraged that Ukraine would behave this way, or feels like Russia is in any way the innocent victim is delusional.

[goldkingcoiner]

Why would nuclear launch site strikes even mean that Russia cannot use nukes anymore? Both Russia and US have nukes and launch systems moving around secretly and swiftly. And anyway nukes is a suicide button that cannot be unpressed. At this point, I do not even care anymore since neither country is dumb enough or desperate enough to light up the world over some land. Thats what the world leaders think to themselves, I would bet. Still, playing with fire like this is dangerous and needs to be stopped before something happens that everyone regrets.

[tvbcof]

Globalists Upset That StarLink Goes Down In Ukraine after Calling Elon Hitler
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NaNMSNTtTBbm/

[TwitchySeal]

If you look at my predictions for Russian in Ukraine at the start of this thing, you'll find that I was about the only one (worldwide) who nailed it about what the Rooskies probably wanted and what they would probably do.

I looked.  You basically have just been parroting back the kremlin line - although sometimes a with a lag of a few weeks.

You went from "the whole thing is fake bc the media"  (When Putin was denying he had any plans to invade, he said the same thing....you just kept saying it after he invaded) + "vaccines!"

to

"the whole thing is orchestrated with a predetermined outcome"

to

Russian Flag over your bed + "Russia didn't lose any battle for kiev, everything is going according to plan" + some anti-Semitic garbage + "Putin is a straight shooter, the only leader not part of (whatever you call the big conspiracy that exists only in your mind)" + more anti-Semitic stuff

And now, you seem to have missed the part where even Putin has admitted things aren't going according to plan, because you're still spreading that now out of date propaganda.  Just like when you were saying there was no invasion.

[cryptomaxsun]

   
http://1news.zp.ua/ru/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-posledstvij-nochnyh-raketnyh-udarov-po-zaporozhyu-foto/

This is a residential building destroyed by russian missiles in Zaporozhye. So far, 13 people have died and about 100 have been injured.
The blow was purposefully delivered to the objects of the housing stock, houses of the private sector were damaged.
There are no military facilities there.
The cowardly and vile russian army knows how to fight only with civilians.
russia is a country of pus, a country of terrorists.
And those who support russia are accomplices of terrorists, punishment will be inevitable.

[Branko]

The cowardly and vile russian army knows how to fight only with civilians.

Not saying that it is a case here, but previously Amnesty International accused Ukraine of using
schools, kindergartens and hospitals as military objects, so they can accuse Russia if they strike
back...seems like useful PR tool

[BADecker]

I'm glad I have a car. If there were a war zone here, I could drive away. Other people could walk in the seven months since this war started.

I like the convenience of modern living. But the convenience of modern warfare is kinda dangerous. So, I'd be moving.

The people in those pictures two posts up, should move to where it is safe... Russia.



EDIT: The insurance companies on those buildings will probably get out of it by calling it an act of God.