Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[sha420hashcollision]

Some groups have something of a culture and a religious zeal for employing scapegoats in association with other secretive and nefarious social engineering efforts.

Like you do with Jews.

Zionists misuse the Jews. But the real Israel is of God, and accepts Jesus, the Messiah, as God.

Unfortunately, Jews who don't accept Jesus, also DO accept the Messiah of the Old Testament. They are split within themselves, each one of them, because Jesus who they don't accept is the Messiah Who they DO accept.

Would be nice if people could read history instead of being outwardly bigoted.

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[BADecker]

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Zionists misuse the Jews. But the real Israel is of God, and accepts Jesus, the Messiah, as God.

Unfortunately, Jews who don't accept Jesus, also DO accept the Messiah of the Old Testament. They are split within themselves, each one of them, because Jesus who they don't accept is the Messiah Who they DO accept.

Would be nice if people could read history instead of being outwardly bigoted.

Would be nice if there was a way to determine which historical writing wasn't fake news.

[tvbcof]

Would be nice if people could read history instead of being outwardly bigoted.

Would be nice if there was a way to determine which historical writing wasn't fake news.

Nice for whom?  It would suck for people who justify even the most repulsive behavior on the basis of fake history.

At least fake history makes life an interesting and challenging puzzle for us 'truthers.'  Most people are not wired for such a puzzle, but for those of us who are there are tangible benefits to be had over and above simple entertainment.  Doing it well provides quite an advantage in tasks which benefit by making accurate forward predictions.

As formal restrictions on 'truth' enjoy a new 'up-wave' in the waning of the age of enlightenment, and progressively fewer people have any practical access or ability to obtain 'truth', the 'advantage gap' widens for those of us who still can.

As Orwell said, "Those who control the present, control the past.  Those who control the past control the future."  Yet another of his insights that took me decades of observation to more fully recognize and appreciate.

[BADecker]

The PEOPLE. Russian and Ukrainian people have always intermingled. After all, they share the some of same border. And often in the past, that border was further into Russia or further into Ukraine. So, the reason for the shelling of the Donbas by the Ukraine military in 2014, doesn't seem to really be clear... except that the Donbas might have already become Russian territory, by agreement of the PEOPLE living there.

It's kinda like if Oregon started shooting at the 30% of its counties that are trying to secede from Oregon to join Idaho - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/339413-2023-02-09-30-of-counties-vote-to-secede-from-oregon.htm.


Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine


https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/02/11/setting-the-record-straight-stuff-you-should-know-about-ukraine/
On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.

We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.
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EDIT: What few people are talking about... from the article:
There are number points we are trying to make in this article:

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Ukraine started the war
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– No, the Russian invasion should be approved under United Nations Article 51
-    Could the war have been avoided if Ukraine declared neutrality and met Putin’s reasonable demands?
    Answer– Yes, the war could have been avoided

    The last point deals with the Minsk Treaty and how the dishonesty of western leaders is going to effect the final settlement in Ukraine. I am convinced that neither Washington nor the NATO allies have any idea of how severely international relations have been decimated by the Minsk betrayal. In a world where legally binding agreements can be breezily discarded in the name of political expediency, the only way to settle disputes is through brute force. Did anyone in Germany, France or Washington think about this before they acted?

[TwitchySeal]

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Russia.  Russia invaded Ukraine.
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously.
-    Could the war have been avoided if Russia didn't invade Ukraine?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously

fyp

Ukraine didn't start the war by attacking itself and somehow justifying Russians invasion.  Just think about how stupid that sounds.  In the weeks before the invasion there was an attempt by Putin to provoke Ukraine and justify the invasion that he already decided was going to happen, but that attempt failed (just like the initial phase of the invasion, when he thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of days) - along with plenty of other failed false flags that were called out publicly ahead of time.
Putin is really doing a number on your already brainwashed brain.

[BADecker]

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Russia.  Russia invaded Ukraine.
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously.
-    Could the war have been avoided if Russia didn't invade Ukraine?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously

fyp

Ukraine didn't start the war by attacking itself and somehow justifying Russians invasion.  Just think about how stupid that sounds.  In the weeks before the invasion there was an attempt by Putin to provoke Ukraine and justify the invasion that he already decided was going to happen, but that attempt failed (just like the initial phase of the invasion, when he thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of days) - along with plenty of other failed false flags that were called out publicly ahead of time.
Putin is really doing a number on your already brainwashed brain.

Blah, blah, blah...

If you read the rest of the article, and follow the links, and understand that the US has been using Ukraine all along, you will see that it makes total sense.

[TwitchySeal]

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Russia.  Russia invaded Ukraine.
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously.
-    Could the war have been avoided if Russia didn't invade Ukraine?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously

fyp

Ukraine didn't start the war by attacking itself and somehow justifying Russians invasion.  Just think about how stupid that sounds.  In the weeks before the invasion there was an attempt by Putin to provoke Ukraine and justify the invasion that he already decided was going to happen, but that attempt failed (just like the initial phase of the invasion, when he thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of days) - along with plenty of other failed false flags that were called out publicly ahead of time.
Putin is really doing a number on your already brainwashed brain.

Blah, blah, blah...

If you read the rest of the article, and follow the links, and understand that the US has been using Ukraine all along, you will see that it makes total sense.

It makes total sense only if you don't know anything else about the situation.

Like, for example, Putin had been amassing hundreds of thousands of troops directly on the border with Ukraine for months before the invasion.

Do you think it was just a coincidence that he happened to have all those troops in place when Ukraine decided to do something that would justify being invaded?

Don't be so gullible.

[BADecker]

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Russia.  Russia invaded Ukraine.
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously.
-    Could the war have been avoided if Russia didn't invade Ukraine?
    Answer– Yes. Obviously

fyp

Ukraine didn't start the war by attacking itself and somehow justifying Russians invasion.  Just think about how stupid that sounds.  In the weeks before the invasion there was an attempt by Putin to provoke Ukraine and justify the invasion that he already decided was going to happen, but that attempt failed (just like the initial phase of the invasion, when he thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of days) - along with plenty of other failed false flags that were called out publicly ahead of time.
Putin is really doing a number on your already brainwashed brain.

Blah, blah, blah...

If you read the rest of the article, and follow the links, and understand that the US has been using Ukraine all along, you will see that it makes total sense.

It makes total sense only if you don't know anything else about the situation.

Like, for example, Putin had been amassing hundreds of thousands of troops directly on the border with Ukraine for months before the invasion. 

Do you think it was just a coincidence that he happened to have all those troops in place when Ukraine decided to do something that would justify being invaded?

Prudent of Putin. After all, the Ukraine military has been shooting at the Donbas since at least 2014. And the US has been manipulating Ukraine long before that.

Thank Goodness that we had President Trump to stave off the war - through logical negotiations - that would have happened a lot sooner if he wasn't there.

[TwitchySeal]

Russia gets humiliated...again.  Prudent Putin just can't stop winning.

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, FEBRUARY 11, 2023

Russian milbloggers continue to appear demoralized at the Kremlin’s prospects for executing a major offensive. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) commander Alexander Khodakovsky questioned why Russian forces are wasting their limited resources on small-scale grinding advances rather than accumulating combat force to launch larger-scale offensives.[4] Another milblogger amplified Khodakovsky’s concern, accusing Russian presidential administration officials of creating unattainable expectations for Russian offensives.[5]

Russian forces’ reported culmination and tactical failures around Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, have likely further weakened the Russian ultranationalist community’s belief that Russian forces are able to launch a decisive offensive operation. A prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Russian forces failed to quickly advance in the first days of their offensive to capture Vuhledar and that Russian forces had lost the initiative by the end of January due to Ukrainian forces’ rapid transfer of reserves to the area.[6] The milblogger made his assessment that the Russian offensive to capture Vuhledar has likely culminated in response to viral footage showing Ukrainian forces destroying a disorderly column of Russian mechanized forces in the Vuhledar area.[7] Russian milbloggers seized on the footage to criticize the Russian military command for repeating the same failures that have plagued the Russian military throughout the war in Ukraine, with one prominent milblogger arguing that such incidents illustrate that the Russian army is unable to conduct an offensive along the entire Donetsk front.[8]  

Russia may have lost an entire elite brigade near a Donetsk coal-mining town

KYIV — As Russia probes Ukraine’s defensive lines ahead of an expected offensive, it might have lost the entire elite 155th naval infantry brigade while storming Vuhledar, a coal-mining town in the Donetsk region.  

“A large number of enemy forces, including the command staff, were destroyed near Vuhledar and Mariinka in Donetsk Oblast,” Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi, head of the united press center of the Tavriskiy District of Ukrainian defense forces, told POLITICO. “In addition, over the past week, the enemy lost about 130 units of equipment, including 36 units of tanks.”

Russian tactical failures around Vuhledar have likely further weakened the Russian ultranationalist community’s belief that Moscow’s forces are able to launch a decisive offensive operation, the Institute for the Study of War reported in its latest update. Pro-Kremlin military bloggers have been mourning huge losses and criticizing the Russian command for sending the elite troops in frontal attacks.

[BADecker]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in. Ukraine, itself, is essentially dead militarily. If the public of the US and Nato countries don't take active, willing part in the war, the whole thing will collapse shortly.

Seems like the US is starting to back off in their support of Ukraine. And the people of the Nato countries are getting fed up with their forced involvement by their leaders.

[TwitchySeal]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in.

Actually Russian troops are fighting Ukrainian troops.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  No other country has deployed troops to fight in Ukraine, they're just sending weapons.

Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine.

[BADecker]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in.

Actually Russian troops are fighting Ukrainian troops.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  No other country has deployed troops to fight in Ukraine, they're just sending weapons.

Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine.

Actually, Ukrainian troops are long gone. The few who look like Ukrainian troops, and are really from Ukraine, are really boys, often under the age of 16.

Just like the US has done in loads of places around the world. Not an invasion. Simply a police action. It's the US interference that is making this into a drawn-out police action.

[Branko]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in.

Actually Russian troops are fighting Ukrainian troops.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  No other country has deployed troops to fight in Ukraine, they're just sending weapons.

Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine.

Actually, Ukrainian troops are long gone. The few who look like Ukrainian troops, and are really from Ukraine, are really boys, often under the age of 16.

Just like the US has done in loads of places around the world. Not an invasion. Simply a police action. It's the US interference that is making this into a drawn-out police action.

And as long as they can print USD as much as they want, they can continue to use proxies to do dirty stuff for them.
Thats why we need BTC to replace USD and why we came to this forum...well, at least some of us

[shahzadafzal]

This is what's happening in Ukraine.

Just imagine yourself or imagine it's your house or your area in those pics...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4t2saPEYw8

[Betwrong]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in. Ukraine, itself, is essentially dead militarily. If the public of the US and Nato countries don't take active, willing part in the war, the whole thing will collapse shortly.

Seems like the US is starting to back off in their support of Ukraine. And the people of the Nato countries are getting fed up with their forced involvement by their leaders.

Any real evidence of that, or is it just what you want to believe?

People of the civilized world will not stop supporting Ukraine until the last Russian soldier leaves the occupied areas(Crimea included), because what Putin's regime did was a brutal attack on civilized world, which Russia itself used to be a part of not that long ago. And if such thing goes unpunished, then other barbarians might start thinking they could try to do the same.

[TwitchySeal]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in.

Actually Russian troops are fighting Ukrainian troops.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  No other country has deployed troops to fight in Ukraine, they're just sending weapons.

Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine.

Actually, Ukrainian troops are long gone. The few who look like Ukrainian troops, and are really from Ukraine, are really boys, often under the age of 16.

Just like the US has done in loads of places around the world. Not an invasion. Simply a police action. It's the US interference that is making this into a drawn-out police action.

And as long as they can print USD as much as they want, they can continue to use proxies to do dirty stuff for them.
Thats why we need BTC to replace USD and why we came to this forum...well, at least some of us

Have you heard the same thing as BADecker about how there aren't any Ukrainians fighting in Ukraine, it's all troops from US military and other NATO forces?

Yes yes, I know, no need to post the stories about the people from other countries that have joined Ukrainian forces to help on their own.  That's not what I'm talking about.  

Just trying to figure out if this stuff is coming from BADeckers imagination or if the Right Wing/Conspiracy/MAGA-Putin circles are laying the groundwork for future talking points if Putin continues to fail.

[BADecker]

Note that Russian troops are essentially fighting Nato troops, with a few US troops thrown in. Ukraine, itself, is essentially dead militarily. If the public of the US and Nato countries don't take active, willing part in the war, the whole thing will collapse shortly.

Seems like the US is starting to back off in their support of Ukraine. And the people of the Nato countries are getting fed up with their forced involvement by their leaders.

Any real evidence of that, or is it just what you want to believe?

People of the civilized world will not stop supporting Ukraine until the last Russian soldier leaves the occupied areas(Crimea included), because what Putin's regime did was a brutal attack on civilized world, which Russia itself used to be a part of not that long ago. And if such thing goes unpunished, then other barbarians might start thinking they could try to do the same.

This isn't the first that I have seen. However, it's possibly the first formal move I have seen in Congress. I have posted a few other posts that suggest the same thing in other ways.

Congressman Matt Gaetz and 10 others are making this formal. Nobody knows how much success they will have. Watch the video of Gaetz on the House floor at the site.


Gaetz Files 'Ukraine Fatigue Resolution' To Stop Funding Proxy War


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaetz-files-ukraine-fatigue-resolution-stop-funding-proxy-war
Co-sponsored by 10 House members, the "Ukraine Fatigue Resolution," cites the enormous US support to Ukraine, noting that America is the "top contributor of military aid to Ukraine compared to its counterparts," having "appropriated more than $110,000,000,000 of military, financial, and humanitarian aid to Ukraine."

The resolution adds that "on February 3, 2023, the Department of Defense announced $2,000,000,000 in additional security assistance for Ukraine."

As of that announcement, the US has committed more than $32 billion in "security assistance" to Ukraine since 2014, with $30 billion of that pledged since the start of the Biden administration, and $29.3 billion "since the beginning of Russia's unprovoked, full-scale invasion on February 24, 2022."

Gaetz' resolution includes itemized descriptions of weapons and material support.

"Joe Biden, and even some who have taken this stage, say defending freedom in Ukraine has costs for America," Gaetz said in a speech just two days after Russia invaded Ukraine. "Why should Americans have to pay the costs for freedom elsewhere when our own leaders won't stand up for our freedom here?"

Testifying on the House floor on Feb. 6, Gaetz compared threats to U.S. citizens posed by drug outlaws in Mexico to those of Russian soldiers, and, what he believes, is an overeagerness to back a conflict that does not present serious and imminent peril to the United States. -Epoch Times
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Actually, Ukrainian troops are long gone. The few who look like Ukrainian troops, and are really from Ukraine, are really boys, often under the age of 16.

Just like the US has done in loads of places around the world. Not an invasion. Simply a police action. It's the US interference that is making this into a drawn-out police action.

And as long as they can print USD as much as they want, they can continue to use proxies to do dirty stuff for them.
Thats why we need BTC to replace USD and why we came to this forum...well, at least some of us

All printing of USD ultimately hurts everybody who uses it. How? Through inflation. But Americans are hurt most, because it is their money... although there are several Latin American countries with strong ties to the USD, two of them being Ecuador and Panama.

The people who gain monetarily, are the people who skim off some of this money in this big money laundering scheme... Biden and some of the people in Congress, to say nothing about Zelensky and other Ukrainian leaders.

[paxmao]

Would be nice if people could read history instead of being outwardly bigoted.

Would be nice if there was a way to determine which historical writing wasn't fake news.

Nice for whom?  It would suck for people who justify even the most repulsive behavior on the basis of fake history.

At least fake history makes life an interesting and challenging puzzle for us 'truthers.'  Most people are not wired for such a puzzle, but for those of us who are there are tangible benefits to be had over and above simple entertainment.  Doing it well provides quite an advantage in tasks which benefit by making accurate forward predictions.

As formal restrictions on 'truth' enjoy a new 'up-wave' in the waning of the age of enlightenment, and progressively fewer people have any practical access or ability to obtain 'truth', the 'advantage gap' widens for those of us who still can.

As Orwell said, "Those who control the present, control the past.  Those who control the past control the future."  Yet another of his insights that took me decades of observation to more fully recognize and appreciate.

Hey seekers of "truth", you may find interesting some Truth:

Some of the most prominent marshals --- the majority of marshals of the USSR were said to be Ukrainians --- and generals were Ukrainians and many were born in Ukraine. These included Marshal Simon Timoshenko, Marshal Rodion Malinovsky, Marshal Ivan Konev, Marshal Yakiv Fedorenko, Marshal Kiril Maoskalenko, Marshal Serhiy Rudenko, General Andrey Grechko, Marshal Peter Koshoviy, Marshal Petro Leliushenko, Marshal Kliment Voroshilov, Marshal Andrey Yeremenko, General Yakiv Cherevichenko, General Fyodor Kostenko, Col. General Micahael Kirponos, Col. General Andrey Kravchenko, Admiral Mykola Basisty, General Iosif Apanesenko, and Marshal Alexander Vasilevsky.

Even the greatest hero of World War II, the brilliant Marshal Georgi Zhukov who signed the German surrender, was apparently of Ukrainian origin. He received the major credit for the Battle of the Dnieper and the capture of Berlin (which the Ukrainian Front Army of Ivan Konev almost captured before him).

Please notice that even some of them were not born in Ukraine, they were from Ukrainian origin.

Although born in Kaluga, Zhukov's original family name was Zhuk and his Ukrainian family was from Birky village in Poltava region of Ukraine according to the information of Zhukov's relative Varvara Hryshko (Molod' Ukrainy 14.X.1994, p. 2). When he was on the verge of taking Berlin Zhukov promised Nikita Khrushchev, who was then Head of the Communist Party of Ukraine, that when he captured Adolf Hitler he would first ship him in a cage to Kiev so that Ukraine could see him before Moscow. However, Hitler's suicide left only the Fuehrer's charred remains to be found by the Soviet Army. The search party, which found Hitler's remains in Berlin, was led by a Ukrainian, Lt. General Ivan Klimenko.

As said, Ukraine in territory and troops fought the Nazis - the real Nazis, not the "Putin Nazis". The RF is now an independent dictatorship instead of part of the Reich because hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians fought and gave the lives for it.

That is The Truth: you are ranting and name-calling and asking for the death of the descendants of those who saved you, your country and your own lives.

[BADecker]

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As said, Ukraine in territory and troops fought the Nazis - the real Nazis, not the "Putin Nazis". The RF is now an independent dictatorship instead of part of the Reich because hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians fought and gave the lives for it.

That is The Truth: you are ranting and name-calling and asking for the death of the descendants of those who saved you, your country and your own lives.

You forget the part that Ukraine was part of Russia at the time of WW2, and had a whole lot of direct-Russian fighters working with her to fight the Nazi's. Things are different nowadays.

Now it is the US banking Ponzi system using Ukraine as the battlefield to fight Russia.

[OgNasty]

The order has been given for all American citizens to leave Russia immediately. It appears that we are on the brink of World War III. I’m not sure what is planned for the near future, but I’m concerned. We need to get new leadership in the White House immediately before it’s too late. There’s no reason Americans should be dying so Hunter Biden can be a millionaire and we can have biolabs in Ukraine.