Astonishing Germany is letting the whole Nordstream sabotage by terrorists Biden/Nuland/Blinken slide. I guess Germany is a slave to the USA as well now.
I'm always surprised how these unfounded hot takes are coming from Putler apologists, who aren't from Europe
and don't know anything about Germany.
As someone from Germany, I can tell you that your claims are 100% laughable and wrong, dear bunny.
Let's collect some reasons who could have blown up the pipeline (hint: Russia has blown up the pipeline):
--- load of waffle ----
Let me know which stories are plausible in your opinion.
1) You make assumptions (wrongly by the way) where someone is from based on their post. That is frankly astonishingly arrogant but above all absurd.
Yes, I like people talking about German history / politics but all their knowledge comes from Kremlin propaganda channels and they are calling themselves "free thinkers" while their viewpoints are often 1:1 from Russian state TV. LOL
We have some Putin apologists sitting in the German parliament as well who are trying to lecture Ukrainians about Ukrainian history.
They are such clowns.
2) My claims are 100% wrong? I claimed nothing, I simply referred to Seymour Hersh, a journalist, who in his material and interviews is stating pretty much everything I have. Instead of debunking his claims you quickly side with the media who have done nothing but nearly destroyed society over the last few decades with their misinformation and scaremongering.
You debunked nothing at all and Hersh's "sources" are a complete joke. Sorry but if he wants to be taken seriously, he needs far more than his dubious "sources".
But due to Putin's loyal serfs, Hersh's dubious "sources" don't matter at all. Logical arguments doesn't matter at all because for Putin's loyal serfs, Putin can even invade another country (Ukraine) and can completely get away with it.
Even more: Putin's loyal serfs are actively defending Putin's invasion. Honestly, that's nuts!
3) You gave a "hint" about who you think is behind the sabotage BEFORE listing the evidence. Sounds like your mind has been made up. Why list all that "evidence". No one gives a fuck. Non of it on first glance seems rational regardless.
Well, we can read what's written again and again by BAdecker, Branko and his friends. They need some
brain jogging, so I wanted to do them a favor and add a
hint. Similar to a tl;dr.
4) Any attack on the west in your eyes will be seen as someone being a "putler" apologist. This is that typical George W. Bush horseshit of "you are with us or against us". Look at where that brought the west and the lies that were told to invade Iraq. Are we any better than that Putin shithead? I doubt it very much. The USA already proved it will go to extreme lengths, despite the NATO alliance or any agreements. And indeed unfortunately the UK is often right behind them. The fact you don't even consider this FACT when it comes to Nordstream is crazy.
As far as I know, Germany didn't participate in Bush's war in Iraq and our foreign minister back then didn't believe Bush's claims about WMD in Iraq. So, what now?
How someone with that ignorant and arrogant mindset can even end up on a Bitcoin forum, unless it is only for trolling - surely in your view the western governments are perfect and existing monetary systems are fantastic OR you are a "Putler" apologist right? - is the mind-boggling thing....
You might be surprised but shouldn't Bitcoiners be against war in general? Call out lies and injustice and do their own due diligence by looking at the people in Ukraine (and in Russia which are opressed by Putins and used as cannon fodder), then making conclusions.
In my opinion, a Bitcoiner shouldn't engage in whataboutism as well, when Putler invades a sovereign country.
Alex Gladstein, a human rights activist has written a great essay about it, where also Ukrainian Bitcoin Core Contributor Gleb Naumenko provided a contribution:
But still, he [Bitcoin Core Contributor Gleb Naumenko] told me that he wanted to be very clear about something: “What happened is a blatant, illegal invasion. I’m tired of hearing how Ukraine’s freedom from Russia is a U.S. intelligence operation, and how helping Ukraine to defend itself is bad,” he said. “To my friends in America, please remember that the Russian oppression of Ukraine is a much longer story than the existence of your entire country. Even as a libertarian, you’re supposed to defend other peoples’ right to defend themselves. This understanding has been lost.”
“I know a lot of libertarians in Ukraine and Russia,” Naumenko continued, “and they ALL oppose the invasion and don’t make apologetic arguments. They think supporting Ukraine is good. The Russian libertarians even support providing Ukraine with weapons. They know what Putin is.” One can be a dogmatic libertarian, or an anarcho-capitalist, he said, but this only works if your country isn’t at risk. To paraphrase Mike Tyson, “Everyone has an ideology until they get punched in the mouth.”
The surprisingly common angle in the Bitcoin community that the war isn’t Putin’s fault is important to address. For the purposes of this essay, a short overview of Ukraine’s history will be helpful, to establish the fact that Ukraine has been in the process of statebuilding — and resisting foreign attacks, invasions and occupations — for nearly 1,000 years. This reality is encased in the country’s national anthem, which begins with the words: “Ukraine has not yet perished.”
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/currency-of-last-resortMaybe you are very far away from the conflict and I can understand it, that you aren't really affected by it but the war Putler started (and if he doesn't get stopped, he'll continue), is currently the biggest invasion happening since Hitler did it last time.
The playbook is very similar: Pushing the lie, that some native speakers are opressed in another country; claim that the territory is historically part of your country; invade that country. Insist that you are the good one, blame others. In a speech, Hitler blamed England to start WWII...
https://i.redd.it/c38ywv60w5ja1.jpg ("never forget that England forced this war upon us").
Who stood to gain from the Nordstream pipeline sabotage the most?
Yes, who stood to gain from the Nordstream pipeline sabotage the most? (only 3 out of 4 pipelines were blown up)
UkraineYeah, sure, it has been Ukraine!
Ukraine doesn't has access to the Baltic Sea, because it doesn't share a border (plz do at least some research about geographics), so Ukraine must have sent Klitschko on the back of a dolphin, a bit dynamite on his back and he started his mission in Odessa, where he swam through the Black Sea, past Istanbul, through the Mediterranean Sea, past Gibraltar along the coast of Portugal, Spain and France, through the English channel and his dolphin was re-charged in Amsterdam, that he finally swam past Denmark to dive several 100m to place his dynamite and blow up the pipeline by placing the dynamite all by his bare hands.
Ukraine doesn't has any capabilities to do this
and it would be plain stupid to risk their military aid if their try to blow up NS is detected and Russia could be the big propaganda winner, so yes, it must have been Ukraine!
USA / UK / PolandFor sure, USA / UK / Poland are behind it!
It would make totally sense for them to blow up a useless pipeline because Germany didn't purchase any gas from Russia anymore at the time, when the pipeline was blown up.
It would make totally sense for USA / UK / Poland to do this after Putin messed it up himself, when he showed how unrealiable he has been as a partner when he lied to everyone that he wouldn't invade Ukraine.
It would make totally sense for USA / UK / Poland to do this because Germany planned anyways to stop gas purchases from Russia due to Putin's continued war.
It would make totally sense for USA / UK / Poland to blow up 2 pipelines from Nordstream 1 and 1 pipeline from Nordstream 2, while 1 pipeline of Nordstream 2 remains intact, so that russian gas delieveries would still be possible.
The USA / UK / Poland are completely ready to do such a move to gain exactly nothing from blowing up that pipeline, while risking their entire trust in NATO. No gain at all, but enormous risk, therefore, it must have been USA / UK / Poland!
GermanyGermany is behind it! Who else could it be? It's Germany because Germany is always at fault (because Nazis).
In a secret meeting, Olaf Scholz, chancellor of Germany, discussed together with Robert Habeck (economy) and Christian Lindner (a liberal).
Very concerned, Olaf Scholz asked for solutions why Germany has gotten so dependant on russian Gas. He asked: "Dear Gentlemen, we have a big issue right now. There are 10 Russia apologists demonstrating in Saxonia to open Nordstream 2. It's a very big issue. They aren't relevant at all and nobody listens to them anyways but we need to act. How can we stop it?"
Christian Lindner, the liberal, suggested: "we can nuke the Russia apologists in Saxonia." But Robert Habeck quickly objected: "that would be bad for our economy." He suggested instead:
"Let's blow up Nordstream 1 and 2, we wouldn't solve any problems because we won't purchase any gas from Russia anyways and we are safe already that we have enough Gas for the upcoming winter, but we should blow up Nordstream 1 and 2."Olaf Scholz objected: "that's a good idea but you need to consider that we are Germany and my party likes Putin somehow, it was Gerhard Schröder who got us dependant on russian gas and Schröder is on Rosneft supervisory board. We can't let him down. We should blow up 2 pipelines from Nordstream 1 and 1 pipeline from Nordstream 2, that Putin can still blackmail us to open it again and that Putin gets his prestige project, which he really cares about."
The other two: "that's not a good idea because it would not solve any of our issues. It wouldn't shut down the Putin apologist protests in Saxonia and questions about opening Nordstream 2!"Olaf Scholz replied: "Do you have better ideas?"
The other two: "unfortunately not, but we won't gain anything from your strategy"Olaf Scholz: "What did you say, I didn't hear you? Well, let's turn my suggestion into reality, dear Gentleman!"...
And they proceeded to blow up 2 pipelines from Nordstream 1 and 1 pipeline from Nordstream 2...Sure, Germany must be behind it!
RussiaImpossible, Russia never does bad things! And Russia never lies!
Russia might have made a big mistake to start the
war special military operation (because it wasn't succesful, which really angered Russia's trolls), and which Russia didn't want to start and it was only a coincidende, why Russia was amassing troops on the Ukrainian border for more than 2 months. So, it was completely unavoidable that these troops should also be used in the region (as cannon fodder).
However, since Russia
invaded Ukraine performed a special military operation, which
failed was regrouped because Ukrainians didn't want to get
shot and enslaved liberated, the master strategist Putin has messed up completely and exposed Russia as what it is: a corrupt regional power.
The nation of Germany, previously highly dependend on russian Gas, got completely rid of russian gas due to Putin's war and Putin's prestige project Nordstream 2 was set to be a big fail once again.
What should Putin do with a useless pipeline? He was planning to proceed in his useless war, so he already know that Germany wouldn't purchase any russian gas as long as he and his cronies will stay in power.
Outin run out of options and by blowing up NS1 while leaving one pipeline of NS2 intact, he could try to blackmail Germany in case of a cold winter to finally open Nordstream 2 (from which one pipeline was left intact, surprisingly) and potentially send gas to Germany, which would be a huge propaganda victory for him in Russia. In addition, maybe he wanted to divide the pro-ukrainian alliance against his war by sowing discord and relying on his conspiracy war criminal supporting trolls such like BAdecker or Branko to spread bullshit claims that Ukraine / USA / UK / Poland / Germany would be behind it. Because Putin knows how reliable his trolls are because his trolls are never blaming Russia (as we know from some idiots on Bitcointalk, right). 
In addition, maybe Putin just wanted to make sure that no Oligarch could decide to remove Putin and his cronies because a new government could stop the war in Ukraine + use Nordstream again for gas? (which would threaten Putin and make a removal of Putin more likely). These are just coincidences and Russia has, with a huge margin, far the biggest potential to gain from their pipeline being blown up, which got useless anyways due to Russia's war against Ukraine. So let's be fair, Russia might be lying all day but it's not Russia blowing up their useless pipeline.
Gas pipeline sabotage, net zero goals, hundreds of windfarms and solar farms popped up out of the ground across Europe BUT Shell, BP and almost any single large energy reseller/middleman still made record profits.
Sure, nothing fishy.... AT ALL.
Congratulations, you've found out that companies are greedy!
