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Author Topic: [ANN] ¤ DMD Diamond 3.0 | Scarce ¤ Valuable ¤ Secure | PoS 3.0 | Masternodes 65%  (Read 1260669 times)
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February 25, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
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dmd cloud is doing around 20% of daily volume

the cloud alone is not driving the price upwards

the general demand is rising

thats how market work

and it will get worse (a bird told me someone starts promoting dmd active on multiple forums soon...)

basical i think that once this 0.00071 sell wall is gone there is not much that stop another shift upwards in value

its only 6 BTC up to 0.00100

and 2 btc of that are in that 0.00071 wall

Once again I quit buying, no need nor desire.  IMHO reactor is a crutch for cloudmine.  
U alone are responsible for cloudmining am I correct? U have let it get out of control.
U have stated in multiple posts that U sell DMD ... thus your aim is immediate profit Sad

I have not once seen Cryptonit say he sells DMD.  I know it has been mentioned to slowly sell DMD once the reward drops. - But i could have missed that post.
Do I have to find them before they get deleted LOL
Let's see your personal wallet and related addresses listed on cryptoid for all to examine Smiley
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February 25, 2015, 08:43:54 PM
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dmd cloud is doing around 20% of daily volume

the cloud alone is not driving the price upwards

the general demand is rising

thats how market work

and it will get worse (a bird told me someone starts promoting dmd active on multiple forums soon...)

basical i think that once this 0.00071 sell wall is gone there is not much that stop another shift upwards in value

its only 6 BTC up to 0.00100

and 2 btc of that are in that 0.00071 wall

Once again I quit buying, no need nor desire.  IMHO reactor is a crutch for cloudmine.  
U alone are responsible for cloudmining am I correct? U have let it get out of control.
U have stated in multiple posts that U sell DMD ... thus your aim is immediate profit Sad

I have not once seen Cryptonit say he sells DMD.  I know it has been mentioned to slowly sell DMD once the reward drops. - But i could have missed that post.
Do I have to find them before they get deleted LOL
Let's see your personal wallet and related addresses listed on cryptoid for all to examine Smiley

Mine?  Why?  I never claimed I don't sell DMD. Did I?

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February 25, 2015, 08:47:09 PM
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Not u pokeytex, I want to see cryptonit addresses listed Smiley
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February 25, 2015, 08:52:29 PM
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new hawaii bin in my thread.

Pallas, I commend you for your efforts trying to squeeze more hashing power out of our existing hardware.  However, I gave this new bin a try on my R9 290s and I am sorry to say I did not see any improvement over the optimizations UtahJohn posted last week.  I can get as much as 28 mh/s out of some of my 290s but that's what I was getting before.

Having said that, this is an improvement over your last release so again, thanks and keep this up.  More hashing power from our existing investments in hardware helps us keep up with the increase difficulties.  I just wish my power company would figure out a way to reduce my energy costs!  I don;t understand how with oil prices down so much my cost per kilowatt hour is going up.

It's about 2% faster than the asm version by hetpas and compiled for Tahiti by utahjohn.
The reason I didn't release it before is I was hoping to tweak it further and get some more performance.
Unfortunately I didn't and besides I lost interest because I stopped mining and, apart from utahjohn, nobody seemed interested in it.

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February 25, 2015, 08:56:09 PM
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Ok all asics are now pointed at (1N3TNyPUGUtvk6KD3Gy6WdS8e9P6PmYzPg) - I make about .013 BTC per day and will keep them there until we hit the goal.  Please let me know once we reach the goal so I can go back to Cloudmining  Grin

That s a really a remarkable move. I salute you Pokeytex!!
DMD s really got small but astonishing community.

Awesome! Way to go pokeytex.

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February 25, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
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Ok all asics are now pointed at (1N3TNyPUGUtvk6KD3Gy6WdS8e9P6PmYzPg) - I make about .013 BTC per day and will keep them there until we hit the goal.  Please let me know once we reach the goal so I can go back to Cloudmining  Grin

That s a really a remarkable move. I salute you Pokeytex!!
DMD s really got small but astonishing community.

Awesome! Way to go pokeytex.


Yes indeed ! But that won't be enough. Maybe we could get more miners to do the same. DMDcreeper, utahjohn ?
Happy to hear that u have abandoned PnD efforts and actually try to contribute to community Smiley  YES there will be an improved kernel for DMD direct mining but u have to understand DMD history, YES I work on this with a deadline for the end of DMD golden age, but if u keep mining the rewards will be great I think.  I do this FOR the community, Pallas continued work on OCL kernel which is broken on AMD releases greater than 14.7RC3 for newcomer entry, I work on ASM version because it is version independent Smiley   
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February 25, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
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I still see some large buy walls, not good for new entries into DMD please remove them before a major PR release which will come soon, preferably after reward reduction Smiley   
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February 25, 2015, 10:22:34 PM
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I still see some large buy walls, not good for new entries into DMD please remove them before a major PR release which will come soon, preferably after reward reduction Smiley   

I think releases will come before reward reducion or maybe at the same time.

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February 25, 2015, 11:44:29 PM
Last edit: February 25, 2015, 11:59:47 PM by popshot
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Ok all asics are now pointed at (1N3TNyPUGUtvk6KD3Gy6WdS8e9P6PmYzPg) - I make about .013 BTC per day and will keep them there until we hit the goal.  Please let me know once we reach the goal so I can go back to Cloudmining  Grin

That's great pokeytex!


Community members, support the cause Smiley

Your name needs to be on this list!

You can do it! Cheesy





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February 26, 2015, 12:09:36 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.

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February 26, 2015, 01:43:06 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age
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February 26, 2015, 05:24:31 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age

mitache365 asked an interesting question.
I think that the wallet itself should choose when sending the newest coin.
The user should not lose income Pos. I'm new here, but judging by previous statements utahjohn he can not be trusted.
Perhaps we should wait for an expert.
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February 26, 2015, 06:33:34 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age

mitache365 asked an interesting question.
I think that the wallet itself should choose when sending the newest coin.
The user should not lose income Pos. I'm new here, but judging by previous statements utahjohn he can not be trusted.
Perhaps we should wait for an expert.

Howdy Alisher (and mitache too)

Well, in this case he is actually correct. You can activate coin control in your wallet and then choose which coins to send. It can be very useful so utah was right this time. That doesn't mean you should trust him in other matters though.... Wink

Also waiting for an expert to answer if this coin selection you suggest can be easily automated or not. On the other hand I prefer the freedom of choice Grin
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February 26, 2015, 06:40:08 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age

mitache365 asked an interesting question.
I think that the wallet itself should choose when sending the newest coin.
The user should not lose income Pos. I'm new here, but judging by previous statements utahjohn he can not be trusted.
Perhaps we should wait for an expert.

Hi Alisher,

Welcome, nice to see you here.

utahjohn can in fact be trusted, and he is correct in this instance. He could probably be classed an expert.

We don't always agree on things here, but we seem to be a fairly trusting and trustworthy lot of people.

I hope you join our community, I am sure you will find a place here.

Kind Regards

chilo

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February 26, 2015, 07:01:58 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age

mitache365 asked an interesting question.
I think that the wallet itself should choose when sending the newest coin.
The user should not lose income Pos. I'm new here, but judging by previous statements utahjohn he can not be trusted.
Perhaps we should wait for an expert.

Howdy Alisher (and mitache too)

Well, in this case he is actually correct. You can activate coin control in your wallet and then choose which coins to send. It can be very useful so utah was right this time. That doesn't mean you should trust him in other matters though.... Wink

Also waiting for an expert to answer if this coin selection you suggest can be easily automated or not. On the other hand I prefer the freedom of choice Grin

Hey guys,

according to my experience, the wallet performs coins selection quite fine by itself. It s a great wallet after all. Smiley)

What the wallet does is selecting the least mature and the newest pile from which to send coins so the actual maturity loss is minimal. Alternatively, you can turn on coin selection as Utahjohn suggest and do it manually if you are a bit more experienced and you like to play with your coins.

However, there is another issue to be aware of. If you have a pile of coins, not the total amount of coins but the pile inside your DMD address, and this pile contains 1000 DMD which are 2 weeks old for example and you decide to send 500 DMD from that pile, the result is that the entire pile loses its maturity and starts aging from 0 again. So, if you use coin control, always try to select the pile which matches the amount you want to send as close as possible.

I hope this helps.

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February 26, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
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Question!
Example: I have 1000DMD in my wallet witch are staking because they have more than 7 days there. After that I put another 1000DMD in my wallet, they will need 7 days to get matured and start staking. 2 days after the second 1000DMD arrived I want to send 500DMD somewhere. So I will have 1500DMD in my wallet. 1000DMD matured and 500DMD not ? Or ? Its interesting from witch coins my wallet will send.
Use coin-control feature in wallet, u can select less mature coins to send so u lose less coin-age

mitache365 asked an interesting question.
I think that the wallet itself should choose when sending the newest coin.
The user should not lose income Pos. I'm new here, but judging by previous statements utahjohn he can not be trusted.
Perhaps we should wait for an expert.

Howdy Alisher (and mitache too)

Well, in this case he is actually correct. You can activate coin control in your wallet and then choose which coins to send. It can be very useful so utah was right this time. That doesn't mean you should trust him in other matters though.... Wink

Also waiting for an expert to answer if this coin selection you suggest can be easily automated or not. On the other hand I prefer the freedom of choice Grin

Hey guys,

according to my experience, the wallet performs coins selection quite fine by itself. It s a great wallet after all. Smiley)

What the wallet does is selecting the least mature and the newest pile from which to send coins so the actual maturity loss is minimal. Alternatively, you can turn on coin selection as Utahjohn suggest and do it manually if you are a bit more experienced and you like to play with your coins.

However, there is another issue to be aware of. If you have a pile of coins, not the total amount of coins but the pile inside your DMD address, and this pile contains 1000 DMD which are 2 weeks old for example and you decide to send 500 DMD from that pile, the result is that the entire pile loses its maturity and starts aging from 0 again. So, if you use coin control, always try to select the pile which matches the amount you want to send as close as possible.

I hope this helps.
I tried to keep my answer simple as possible, yes u must enable coin-control, and the example of selecting coins is quite correct.  You must use this feature with consideration of the piles u are playing with Smiley
For a newb to criticize age and experience is just foolish and the parties who questioned my ability have been ignored, expect no further help from me Smiley
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February 26, 2015, 09:10:58 AM
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coin control is a expert tool that is not required to be used at dmd diamond

but u can if u want

basical the wallet itself have a logic that it try to select the coin pile where less coin age is destroyed for outgoing transactions

u have to keep in mind that normal POS age is 30 days not 7 days

between 7-30 days only big or lucky coin pile mint successfull a POS block and the split stake methode is used

which will cut ur coinpile into two

after 30 days coin age big coin pile above 100 dmd mint normaly

amd small coin pile below 100 dmdm size try to group together with other coin pile over 30 days age and below 100 dmd size and try to group stake

if a group stake is successful the coins merge together into one pile


this full automated POS handling need no coin-control by user

in fact what utahjohn do is by a lot of micromanagement increase his pos earning around 1%
because he make sure he instant  merge coin pile after minting at 7 days together to a big pile again

if one or a few people to this it create no danger

if all people would do this it just counter the pos mechanism

because it create the risc of "nothing to stake" at network

the split coin pile mechanic and later merge coin pile mechanic have one reason

to automatic cut the coins in network into enought pieces that always someone have something to mint

and merge coin piles together if enought pieces are existing (it dedect this by coin age)

this way never a status appear where noone have coin-age to spend minting and pos diff would fall very low and open doors for harmfull activities


DMD Doiamond pos explained in details http://bit.diamonds/community/index.php/topic,46.msg376.html#msg376

How is POS working:

there is a easy and a complex answer

easy:
each year ur coins will increase as much as the pos reward percentage say if u regulary (once a month) open ur wallet in minting mode for at least a day


complex:

following is true for DMD POS
not all coins use the same
and some (most) coin devs dont full understand what i describe here
and so their code isnt utilizing POS in its full power or values not adapted to fit their coin amount

to test other coins just ask them to explain u how POS works in detail
u will get lot different and most of them are wrong answers (copycoder alarm .....)


pile
coin weight
coin age
burn coin age
min time
max time
split stake
group stake
pos difficulty
pos block time
pos reward


pile = if u check coin control u see u have lot pile of coins
each pile try to POS on his own (only group stake act different)

coin weight=determined by amount of coin in pile and his age used to calculate ur chance to mint coin weight stop to grow once ur coins reach max time is reached (this is to prevent someone gather lot coin weight and be able do some kind of attack(no guide for attack here...) (which wont work anyway at DMD because of hybrid security))

coin age=determined by amount of coin in pile and his age used to calculate ur reward when u mint successful
coin age doesnt stop to grow and so do ur rewards get bigger and bigger until
u mint successful then ur coin age of the involved coin pile is set to zero

burn coin age/coin weight happens also for all coins in a pile which is involved in a transaction
that mean that pile get his coin weight and coin age reset to zero
if u have only one big pile of coins and u send every 5 days a little outgoing transaction
u will never ever be able to mint because u always destroy the coin weight before its big enough u get a minting possibility

min time is 7 days for DMD which mean once ur pile of coins is at least 7 days old he can compete to try mint a block if ur wallet is unlocked
between mint time and max time every successful minting will be split stake

max time is 30 days for DMD which means coin weight dont grow even if ur coins are older than 30 days (but ur coin age grow without limit even after 30 days)
any minting with coins  older than 30 days will use group stake mechanism

split stake means when a pile of coins successful mint a block and is below 30 days old he will be split in 2 pile of coins where both pile will be increased with half of pos rewards u earned

group stake will be attempted by coin pile below 100 dmd and older than 30 days the they no longer are forced to try mint alone but can group with other coin pile also older than 30 days and below 100 dmd size
up to 100 DMD can group up and try to mint together. if successfull they merge together forming a single pile and get the earned pos rewards added to that pile. coin pile above 100 coins cant group but when they mint the group stake mechanism will prevent them from beeing split in 2 pile

pos difficulty u can see when u enter getdifficulty into console
it determine the chance that u will be able to mint
similar to POW but this time not pure hashrate of complex hashes and luck determine who able create next block
instead simple hashes created by  wallet via cpu  and modified with the coin weight of pile which try to mint compete against each other on the network

pos block time a diff adjusting will try to raise and lower pos difficulty to reach target pos block time (in case of DMD its 600sec because of our hybrid POW/POS setup we need no faster POS block generation and it helps keep ur wallet clean of POS spam (lot small pos rewards) instead u generate less but bigger minting rewards.

pos reward determined by coin age and actual pos stage of coin
example 50% per anno  pos reward means a pile with 1000 dmd and age 30 days will if he mint successfull be
1000+(1000/100*50/12)= 1041.67 dmd



why?
why POS works this way have the reason all this mechanics try to make sure coin opile size is small enought to make sure always someone try to mint and so we never run out of attempts to solve a  POS block. and the group coin mechanic try to counter that coins get endless split and in the are so small pile which have hardly a chance to mint successfull
a POS coin which utilize split stake but not group stake will run sooner or later in troubles where people forced to manually do something to fix the mess
DMD POS setup allow endless POS without any manual merge of coins or transactions between addresses are required to get rid of the lot little coin pile


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im pretty sure this answer is overkill for whatever u wanted to know
but it describe the prove of stake mechanism as detailed as possible

and i lead to more confusion in the face of people i explain it  Cool

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BELOW Coin specs so u see how POS changes over time:

Proof of Stake
From 450,000 to 1,500,000 of total coins PoS is set to 50% per annum.
From 1,500,000 of total coins PoS is reduced to 25% per annum.
From 2,500,000 of total coins PoS is reduced to 5% per annum.
From 3,500,000 of total coins PoS is reduced to 1% per annum.

Proof of Work
The reward is 1.05 DMD per solved block.
1 DMD is granted to the miner while 0.05 DMD is contributed to coin support.
From 1,000,000 of total coins reward is reduced to 0.1 DMD per solved block.
From 2,500,000 of total coins reward is reduced to 0.02 DMD per solved block.
After that there will be no further reductions to the reward per solved block.
Foundation support will be decreasing with each consecutive switch.

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VISUALIZATION OF DIAMOND ROLL-OUT PLAN
(TOTAL COINS AND POW/POS COINS PER MONTH)




RED LINE = new coins each month produced by POW (numbers on right side)
GREEN LINE = new coins produced each month by POS (numbers on right side)
TOTAL COINS (numbers on left side)
numbers on bottom of graphic are the months (the graphic represent a 30 year timeline)

i think for now market price is driven by insta-selling miners
daily *1500 diamonds have to be bought if people would sell instant

but keep a closer eye on coin specs and check how coin roll-out will develop over next 30 years

beginning with total coins 450000 a 50% POS will be simultaneous active with the 1 DMD POW reward each block
and start the diamond rush (BLUE CIRCLE) on pic

if u analyze that u can see that this POW mining paradise only last a few months
(to be exact until 1 million total diamond are existing)
later most of coins are produced by POS  (GREEN ARROW) and to do so u need to have diamonds

everyone who sell 1 diamonds instant lose like at least 2 diamonds.....
because every diamond u mine now would at least double if u keep holding and pos it over time

the whole design of diamond is to be a wealth storage coin aimed to be a good investment

i  hope this visualization of coin specs long-term effect of  on coin roll-out
can help u realize how valuable diamonds will be once POW is reduced by 90%
and high POS will be main source of coin creation

that coins are required to create more coins (POS)
will be the reason for lower availability of coins on exchanges and increasing prices
remember only coins in ur wallet gather coin-age and can generate POS rewards

 
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February 26, 2015, 09:26:23 AM
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What Cryptonit just posted is correct, however in my experience keeping LARGE piles is advantageous.  And I see no danger of PoS mechanism failing because of a few who really understand the coin-mechanics and take advantage of them.  
IMO the complainers about me are dumpers anyway  Undecided 
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cryptonit... a bit OT but I'm just curious... don't get mad on me... but is there a special reason why you always put an additional carriage return on every line? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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February 26, 2015, 09:43:56 AM
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coin control is a expert tool that is not required to be used at dmd diamond

in fact what utahjohn do is by a lot of micromanagement increase his pos earning around 1%
because he make sure he instant  merge coin pile after minting at 7 days together to a big pile again

if one or a few people to this it create no danger

if all people would do this it just counter the pos mechanism

because it create the risc of "nothing to stake" at network

the split coin pile mechanic and later merge coin pile mechanic have one reason

to automatic cut the coins in network into enought pieces that always someone have something to mint

and merge coin piles together if enought pieces are existing (it dedect this by coin age)

this way never a status appear where noone have coin-age to spend minting and pos diff would fall very low and open doors for harmfull activities

Warning this post may make you think, if you blindly follow DMD,
Please ignore as it may give you a headache.

What UtahJohn is doing is smarter than just leaving the coins alone ,as he will gain more diamonds at a slightly faster rate, with very little effort. But just to be clear DMD Devs added the coin control feature, so you have no one to blame but yourselves. Also your merge coin pile feature decreases the number of total blocks in your network, so it also weakens DMD POS security, a feature you have no one to blame but yourselves.
The Real Reason you will have Nothing to Stake is you don't have enough coins to run POS by itself safely.
That is the real reason behind the reactor, an attempt to make your POS more secure.
Once your POW miners start dropping out , your security will depend on your POS.
At the limited # of coins (trying to be scarce), also Devs decision , decent security will not be possible with POS alone.
As pow miners drop , that also will become a security issue, leaving you open to a 51% attack on the POW side. The only way to keep DMD safe is to keep the POW mining at a level where they stay , because POS wise you don't have enough coins to secure the network otherwise.
Just my trolling for the day.
Ignore if it does not make sense to you.
Please Return to the Praise Diamond Hour.


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