[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[kasman5]

So when's the new forums live? I'm not been funny but I could have one live within the hour, this waiting around is getting boring!

[ScottAllyn]

Also, since it seems you are concerned about the atmosphere of this thread, I would be interested in your view on the personal attacks and insults targeted to any and even the more civil criticisms in this thread or is that your concern at all? Knowing you, I am sure you disagree with the personal attacks and insults and you wish to address that issue as well.

Nobody in their right mind believes that the behavior that we've seen here in the past 24 hours is acceptable. As far as I'm concerned, ofp and ereborltc have earned themselves pre-bans on the new forum. Just don't pretend that you're innocent in all of this. You've dirtied your hands in this forum with minimal provocation in the recent past; the fact that it wasn't as aggressive or foul-mouthed does not make it any more acceptable.

Everybody who's been bickering here and getting into flame-wars and angry arguments over the past couple of weeks, do me a favor. Get the hell off these forums for a few days. Find something productive to do with your time for a change.

[mrgags9]

Another pumped and dumped coin a shame really it has poten.

[ereborltc]

So when's the new forums live? I'm not been funny but I could have one live within the hour, this waiting around is getting boring!

i think within the week there will be a new moderated thread but it won't be on btct... hopefully the devs shut this one down and open a moderated one here aswell, lots of ppl naturally go to btct, i think its necessary imo

[jeffright]

So when's the new forums live? I'm not been funny but I could have one live within the hour, this waiting around is getting boring!

i think within the week there will be a new moderated thread but it won't be on btct... hopefully the devs shut this one down and open a moderated one here aswell, lots of ppl naturally go to btct, i think its necessary imo

Hopefully

[Isokoira]

also if ppl want to see in short what altcoinUK really is about go check out his twitter @altcoinUK ...says it all in a nutshell

Yeah looks like nothing but positive talk about Vericoin, NOT.  Bashing it completely, think you need to take any offers here seriously and just leave this thread.  

Funny how you did a complete 360 starting early/mid August up to now as you were originally for Vericoin and now do everything you can to bash it and everyone who believes in it.

[altcoinUK]

Also, since it seems you are concerned about the atmosphere of this thread, I would be interested in your view on the personal attacks and insults targeted to any and even the more civil criticisms in this thread or is that your concern at all? Knowing you, I am sure you disagree with the personal attacks and insults and you wish to address that issue as well.

Nobody in their right mind believes that the behavior that we've seen here in the past 24 hours is acceptable. As far as I'm concerned, ofp and ereborltc have earned themselves pre-bans on the new forum. Just don't pretend that you're innocent in all of this. You've dirtied your hands in this forum with minimal provocation in the recent past; the fact that it wasn't as aggressive or foul-mouthed does not make it any more acceptable.

Everybody who's been bickering here and getting into flame-wars and angry arguments over the past couple of weeks, do me a favor. Get the hell off these forums for a few days. Find something productive to do with your time for a change.

You are absolutely right ScottAllyn, I have to agree with you.

One minor element that I would disagree on, that my intention was not provoking any one but hoping that the DEVs will say, it's enough, it's really not good investors are unhappy, it's sucks that we failed, lets start working and put the coin to the level that we have promised it's going to be.

I am sure you know I was one of the biggest supporters of the DEVs. It's clear from my posts in this thread and tweets that until the price has not reached the (in my opinion) critical 10k (Aug 12) I had unconditionally supported anything the DEVs did from software development to Wall Street trips to Conference attendance. However, once the price reached the critical 10k level, I believe there is no place for accepting the failure and the not delivering DEVs must be questioned by investors: why there is no progress as well as the investors must demand progress. I thought, since the DEVs asked my investment, it is very reasonable to demand work if the project is failed - which is clearly the case. Well my strategy to demand work didn't work out :-))) and it seems the DEVs are not interested in the opinion of disappointed investors and instead of start delivering they move to another forum.

Again, apart from this aspect of the happenings you are quite right what you said.

[Xosihc]

Mainly because of work - I haven't had the time to post on here to the degree I would like to.

I would however like to take a moment and chime in my 2 cents on the recent debates and say NO WAY should we moderate these threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (both good and bad) and it's sad to think people want to ban those who simply disagree with their side.

It's great to hear there are going to be new, moderated forums outside of BTCtalk.org - I will however continue to use this website as my main channel for communication. Why would I want to go to a website where I only hear like minded people agreeing with every thought? The strength any idea gets comes from those who challenge it.

[ereborltc]

@scottallyn ...look i agree with you completely and my blow out was uncalled for but i tried my best to stay away from it and eventually blew up... i follow and appreciate what u do for vericoin and respect your words always... if i earned a pre ban from the new forums then so be it... I'm not a malicious person and my accounts past shows this ,also people like veryveriviral and socal know me and can tell u themselves, i can accept when I'm wrong and my full retard blowout i apologize for but I've had enough of altcoinUK and barabbas...

if I'm banned from the new thread its ok and completely understand... I'm not the type to overstay my welcome from ppl i respect... i follow u on twitter and love your work.

i obviously won't be coming here for productive information and if i can't go to the moderated thread either theres no reason for me to stay in vericoin... I'm not difficult like altcoinUK or barabbas, I'm not gonna sell and come back to bash vericoin, rather i stay invested or not i respect the devs and vericoin.

[Isokoira]

So the whole website showing the current progress and everything that has already been implemented means nothing???  The fact the price is low is something to be concerned about I agree but just because the Devs are not on here every day like most holding our hands and saying everything is ok and giving us updates doesn't mean there aren't any coming.  Like I have heard numerous times, this is still a coin that's being developed whether it's something we see or it's something that is being done behind the scenes and will see once complete.  This coin is only a few months old at best and I cannot possibly imagine how hard it must be to make everyone happy all at once, develop, have personal lives and still have to come here to listen to all this whining non stop about how this or that sucks and how we as investors are mad about the progress or lack of.  Seems the word patience means very little these days but I honestly think that the ones that have it will be rewarded long term.  

[Shinraven]

Mainly because of work - I haven't had the time to post on here to the degree I would like to.

I would however like to take a moment and chime in my 2 cents on the recent debates and say NO WAY should we moderate these threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (both good and bad) and it's sad to think people want to ban those who simply disagree with their side.

It's great to hear there are going to be new, moderated forums outside of BTCtalk.org - I will however continue to use this website as my main channel for communication. Why would I want to go to a website where I only hear like minded people agreeing with every thought? The strength any idea gets comes from those who challenge it.

I fully agree with you. I tried many time to reach out, to diffuse previous issues. No go ~

A while back i described this " all it takes an insult, the wrong word and tempers will fly"

Over time I have come to accept the outspoken ones. If they are frustrated investors who wish to vent do so. If they wish to offer advice do so. However this is not what took place. Time and time again we are treated to a barrage of insults, long winded emotionally charged dissertations. it is ok to have different views and opinions, provided we can remain civil.

So have at it, let them write their essays and books.

[ereborltc]

@scottallyn ...look i agree with you completely and my blow out was uncalled for but i tried my best to stay away from it and eventually blew up... i follow and appreciate what u do for vericoin and respect your words always... if i earned a pre ban from the new forums then so be it... I'm not a malicious person and my accounts past shows this ,also people like veryveriviral and socal know me and can tell u themselves, i can accept when I'm wrong and my full retard blowout i apologize for but I've had enough of altcoinUK and barabbas...

if I'm banned from the new thread its ok and completely understand... I'm not the type to overstay my welcome from ppl i respect... i follow u on twitter and love your work.

i obviously won't be coming here for productive information and if i can't go to the moderated thread either theres no reason for me to stay in vericoin... I'm not difficult like altcoinUK or barabbas, I'm not gonna sell and come back to bash vericoin, rather i stay invested or not i respect the devs and vericoin.

also scott i would like to add that I've emailed pnosker to find a way so i can accept vericoin in my business website... you can ask him about it. i don't reveal my personal info here exclusively because of altcoinUK and barabbas..i run a clothing manufacturing company and my own brand that i don't need either of those two guys trying some weird kinds of things to sabotage my company... i run it with my two brothers and it wouldn't be fair to them. If you would like to know my twitter account or talk about my business or anything u are concerned about regarding me , plz pm me and ill gladly show you anything you want ,i trust you'll  keep it off this thread

[barabbas]

So the whole website showing the current progress and everything that has already been implemented means nothing???  The fact the price is low is something to be concerned about I agree but just because the Devs are not on here every day like most holding our hands and saying everything is ok and giving us updates doesn't mean there aren't any coming.  Like I have heard numerous times, this is still a coin that's being developed whether it's something we see or it's something that is being done behind the scenes and will see once complete.  This coin is only a few months old at best and I cannot possibly imagine how hard it must be to make everyone happy all at once, develop, have personal lives and still have to come here to listen to all this whining non stop about how this or that sucks and how we as investors are mad about the progress or lack of.  Seems the word patience means very little these days but I honestly think that the ones that have it will be rewarded long term.  

I don't know if you ignore the evidence on purpose or are just trying to convince yourself... it's baffling, really. Look, since the coin was released, there has not been any development, any at all, of any significance. 2 deals with third parties that ONLY benefit those third parties (Moolah and the one behind the Visa prepaid card) and, much more importantly, the already widely evidenced -and, de facto, admitted- incompetence of the three devs. It is admitted and for that reason they are looking at what "dev 4" can offer since they are just not capable of even covering the most basic bases of the current coin (working wallet, even a realistic attempt at a multipool...), much less of progress with the project in any technical -or otherwise- way. There's, I repeat, ample evidence of all of this... even now and in the past 2 months, when the devs have had the luxury of vacation tyime to dedicate to Vericoin... imagine what is going to happen going forward when they have many more pressing obligations.

So it isn't a matter of patience at all. It is a matter of, credibly, honestly, taking a deep look at what the project is and where it stands, not patience.

[ereborltc]

So the whole website showing the current progress and everything that has already been implemented means nothing???  The fact the price is low is something to be concerned about I agree but just because the Devs are not on here every day like most holding our hands and saying everything is ok and giving us updates doesn't mean there aren't any coming.  Like I have heard numerous times, this is still a coin that's being developed whether it's something we see or it's something that is being done behind the scenes and will see once complete.  This coin is only a few months old at best and I cannot possibly imagine how hard it must be to make everyone happy all at once, develop, have personal lives and still have to come here to listen to all this whining non stop about how this or that sucks and how we as investors are mad about the progress or lack of.  Seems the word patience means very little these days but I honestly think that the ones that have it will be rewarded long term.  

I don't know if you ignore the evidence on purpose or are just trying to convince yourself... it's baffling, really. Look, since the coin was released, there has not been any development, any at all, of any significance. 2 deals with third parties that ONLY benefit those third parties (Moolah and the one behind the Visa prepaid card) and, much more importantly, the already widely evidenced -and, de facto, admitted- incompetence of the three devs. It is admitted and for that reason they are looking at what "dev 4" can offer since they are just not capable of even covering the most basic bases of the current coin (working wallet, even a realistic attempt at a multipool...), much less of progress with the project in any technical -or otherwise- way. There's, I repeat, ample evidence of all of this... even now and in the past 2 months, when the devs have had the luxury of vacation tyime to dedicate to Vericoin... imagine what is going to happen going forward when they have many more pressing obligations.

So it isn't a matter of patience at all. It is a matter of, credibly, honestly, taking a deep look at what the project is and where it stands, not patience.

ok gonna try this again... if we can speak as two mature ppl for now...

i understand what your saying and i understand that you've come to that conclusion and are sure about it, but what i really want to know is if you've come to these conclusion ,why do you continue to post here and say those things about the devs etc... anyone who truly believes that should not be invested in vericoin. can u be honest and tell me if your holding a bag and hoping things change so u can recoup and be done with it? or if you actually have hopes that vericoin can be great and are just upset ? i just can't understand your motive..

please try and refrain from being condescending , I'm being 100% neutral right now.

[barabbas]

Is "boxxa" 'dev4'?

Although this has absolutely nothing to do with the rumor/possibility, let's get it out of the way first: I don't like "boxxa" at all. I believe he is an insufferable, arrogant SOB.

Now, with that out of the way, is "boxxa" 'dev4'?

I bring up the question because "boxxa" joined the dev team at Pink Coin a couple weeks ago and, after delivering a complex system by which people can send money from their smartphones without having to type the entire wallet address of the receiver -main reason why VeriSMS is actually impossible to use in real life- but rather their email or even a much shortened code made of a few symbols, has now, abruptly, left the Pink team...

Now, Vericoin's devs have said they are developing a similar system to make VerySMS usable (the translation for that would be "we are copying "boxxa's" invention..."), so putting a few dots together, some have come to the "conclusion" that "dev4" could indeed be "boxxa". IF that is the case, I personally would be quite disappointed for the "Good Guys" brand that barely remains Vericoin's only asset, and that in and of itself is quite quickly disappearing, definitely would be sitting on a time bomb with "boxxa" on board.

That said, he cannot be more arrogant than Nosker and Pike have been... the difference being that he can actually code.

Developments regarding this rumor upcoming, I am sure.  

[tazmania]

Why are people arguing with people that were not smart enough to sell after the hack above 30k. There is no hope for these people.

I would say just cash out and move on but that is impossible now. You can hang out with QRK and BC bagholders. WDC and CLOAK guys too. See the trend?

[cryptotho]

Why are people arguing with people that were not smart enough to sell after the hack above 30k. There is no hope for these people.

I would say just cash out and move on but that is impossible now. You can hang out with QRK and BC bagholders. WDC and CLOAK guys too. See the trend?

sad but true

[buy4crypto]

Well, sorry it took me a few moments to provide a recap to the MN State Fair event. It was a long day, long night and I had some family things to attend to this morning before finally getting back to my computer.

Overall I would say the event was a success! I'll be honest and admit there were some things that could have gone better. At the same time we had some good surprises too. So yeah, there were both good and bad surprises, which during an event like this would be expected.

I'll start with the unexpected "bad stuff" first and end with the positive second.

So just to remind people - our Vericoin booth was part of a bigger booth titled the "MN World Fair Expo 2023" aka Expo 2023. The purpose of Expo 2023 is to raise awareness/donations for Minnesota to host the World Fair in 2023. So part of the reason they were excited to have Vericoin be part of the booth was to display "future technology" like digital currencies and 3D printing (for example). So with that being said - they had our Vericoin booth tucked behind everything going on with Expo 2023. I was hoping we'd have more front and center space, which we did not, which was disappointing. I took to MS Paint with my pro graphics design skills to show what the set up looked like:



The brownish/red rectangles were the entrance to the building. Red lines was the way traffic was moving. The blue rectangle was our booth. The black circles on the outside black line was were Expo 2023 posted informational stations. And the orange circles were Expo 2023 volunteers.

With them being all over the place we had no chance to get people to actually come into the area and talk to us about Vericoin. So as a result we had to ditch hanging out behind a table and just force ourselves front and center to stay engaged with everyone walking by. The blue circles where were my friend Jake and I were mainly standing.

So with all that in mind - we basically stood front and center with the laminated Vericoin Flyers, business cards and our phones with VRC loaded into them in hand. Nothing really changed in the sense we talked to as many people as we could about VRC. The disappointing part was the fact we couldn't pull people in to sign-up for the drawing, which to be honest no one really was interested in doing anyway. Which meant we were unable to collect any information to follow-up with people on a mass scale.

So this second "bad piece" was by far the biggest issue of the whole day. There were times when no one could use their phones! We did not see this coming but due to the mass amount of people in such a compacted area (there were seriously tens of thousands of people everywhere) - there were times when no one could get 3G/4G connections to work. It was taking anywhere from 5 minutes to 10 minutes for people to actually get a connection and download the VRC wallet, at the best times! There were a handful of people who were patiently trying (one family stuck around for probably 15 minutes) but just straight up couldn't get a connection at all. We tried walking outside, going around the corner but no matter where you went there were just mass amounts of people everywhere!! So that was a huge unexpected surprise. For those who were interested in collecting some VRC but couldn't receive any - I handed them my personal information and asked them to contact me personally. There were about 5-6 people who seemed interested in following-up - we'll see if they do.

I will also admit when I am wrong. Both altcoinUK and buy4crypto talked days before the event how handing out $1-5 was so insignificant people wouldn't be interested. Being that I work marketing events all the time and see the hoops people will jump through to receive: a sticker, a free candy bar, a free pen, etc. - I thought we'd have no problem handing out $1-5 free dollars in Vericoin. Well they were absolutely correct that people had no interest in that. We had to bump the price tag up to $25/person and even then most people weren't interested in talking. So instead of doing the high volume/high mass interaction as we had planned - we changed gears and did the quality vs. quantity piece. The only people we handed out VRC to were people we spent a good 5-15 minutes talking to us which was really the time it took for them to get the wallet downloaded, account registered, and Vericoin sent over anyway. As a result - depending on how many people do actually follow-up. We have almost half our VRC stash 5,900 left over from the event. I'm going to leave this for another discussion but I am thinking there is 1 of 2 solutions to having this left over VRC. I'm happy to provide a refund to those who donated. Surprisingly enough I know where about 85% of the VRC came from - so given the fact we started the day with a little less than 12,000 VRC I can pretty much give back everyone 1/2 of what they donated. Or I can rollover this stash for the next event I have coming up on 9/4/14. I will only take feedback from those who donated as far as what to do with this. I am open to either idea.

Whew... ok. So I want to turn my attention towards what went well. For the matter of time/space I am going to be more brief on the good parts. I know I was a bit heavy on the details explaining what didn't go as planned above. But again, please realize we had a wonderful day and really felt the event went well. I am not just saying that because I ran it - it was an awesome day!

First piece being: we had some REALLY good conversations with a lot of people. Even though we didn't hand us as much VRC as we anticipated don't let that fool you into thinking we didn't talk to a lot of people, because we did! iPhones, dumbphones, no phones obviously kept many people from receiving any VRC during the event. We made sure to get them the proper information to read more about Vericoin, showed them the website, and gave them contact information to follow-up with, with any questions.

A big positive was the fact all the Expo 2023 volunteers were willing to help us pass out Vericoin business cards. So even though they did get in the way of blocking our booth and really had their own agenda - they were still nice in helping us pass out business cards and were helping pull people in to hear about Vericoin. That was a nice surprise. Also with the remaining 100-150 business cards we had - the Expo 2023 booth said to leave them there and that they would pass them out over the remaining 2 days.

Probably the best surprise of all was that we had a great interview with the Minnesota Secretary of State who was at the event briefly to help support Minnesota businesses. This is something that was recorded and will be edited down. As soon as I have a copy of this piece I will be passing it along to the Vericoin community. The best part of the interview was that he specifically continued to refer to Vericoin (not bitcoin) as a way to help businesses grow. All in all we recorded for about 5 minutes. I'm not sure what the final piece will look like. We also had some great photos during the day - which again are coming from multiple sources and will be passed along when all collected.

I also talked to a few people who seem interested in investing some money into VRC. This is not on any large scale but I do believe as a result of the event we will be getting a few more thousand dollars invested in the coin. I am following up with these people personally and am going to help them get accounts set up to move forward.

I am going to just leave it at that for now. I know this is (another) long post by me. So much time and effort went into planning this event and I really do appreciate everyone help! I don't want to just forget about it and move on but at the same time - I have the next event for VRC coming up in 5 days! 9/4/14 I am hosting my bitcoin meetup's group next meeting to discuss all alt coins, obviously I'll be talking VRC - and should have a very engaging night, given the fact all people attending are already involved in the bitcoin community.

That is exciting that the MN Secretary of State took interest for an interview! Do you think the relationship was strong enough to follow that up with a well thought out letter maybe clarifying any concerns or questions he may have had? Who knows, maybe he could connect us to the commerce dept, or another valuable resource to work with them in the future.

Glad to hear that you all could make the best of the day and bring awareness to more people. Thanks for taking the time and effort.

[setup]

Mainly because of work - I haven't had the time to post on here to the degree I would like to.

I would however like to take a moment and chime in my 2 cents on the recent debates and say NO WAY should we moderate these threads. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (both good and bad) and it's sad to think people want to ban those who simply disagree with their side.

It's great to hear there are going to be new, moderated forums outside of BTCtalk.org - I will however continue to use this website as my main channel for communication. Why would I want to go to a website where I only hear like minded people agreeing with every thought? The strength any idea gets comes from those who challenge it.

Hi Xosihc,

so did I think a while ago but I changed my mind. Not the arguements are driving me mad, in some points B&A are right and we should think about. It's the way they do it. Would you enter a restaurant, if in front of it two guys are telling you the meat is rotten? You can go in and find out if it's true, but i bet you would go to the next restaurant. That's what is happening here.
They hate VRC and don't want it to succeed, so they try everything to talk it down and keep people out of it.

Whenever VRC was ascending huge sellwalls appeared and I believe the intention is the same.
New customers don't read hours over hours to find out who's right. On every page of the thread you find the negative crap of these guys and run away, that's why I hope this thread will be  closed or at least not be promoted anymore.

Regards,
Michael

[Isokoira]

So the whole website showing the current progress and everything that has already been implemented means nothing???  The fact the price is low is something to be concerned about I agree but just because the Devs are not on here every day like most holding our hands and saying everything is ok and giving us updates doesn't mean there aren't any coming.  Like I have heard numerous times, this is still a coin that's being developed whether it's something we see or it's something that is being done behind the scenes and will see once complete.  This coin is only a few months old at best and I cannot possibly imagine how hard it must be to make everyone happy all at once, develop, have personal lives and still have to come here to listen to all this whining non stop about how this or that sucks and how we as investors are mad about the progress or lack of.  Seems the word patience means very little these days but I honestly think that the ones that have it will be rewarded long term.  

I don't know if you ignore the evidence on purpose or are just trying to convince yourself... it's baffling, really. Look, since the coin was released, there has not been any development, any at all, of any significance. 2 deals with third parties that ONLY benefit those third parties (Moolah and the one behind the Visa prepaid card) and, much more importantly, the already widely evidenced -and, de facto, admitted- incompetence of the three devs. It is admitted and for that reason they are looking at what "dev 4" can offer since they are just not capable of even covering the most basic bases of the current coin (working wallet, even a realistic attempt at a multipool...), much less of progress with the project in any technical -or otherwise- way. There's, I repeat, ample evidence of all of this... even now and in the past 2 months, when the devs have had the luxury of vacation tyime to dedicate to Vericoin... imagine what is going to happen going forward when they have many more pressing obligations.

So it isn't a matter of patience at all. It is a matter of, credibly, honestly, taking a deep look at what the project is and where it stands, not patience.

God I hate to quote but maybe this one last time,

Not ignoring any evidence, I just see more potential in this than in others.  The fact that this coin has Devs who are known and do interact with the community, although I can see why they have stopped in here, says a lot.  I used to agree on some of your points till  your posts became vulgar and rather boring to read due to the overall content and length just going on and on about how you think things should be and there's no other way.  Like it's your way or the highway.  I think the fact the Devs have been looking at other possibilities and have finally admitted their shortcomings also says a lot about their character.  I agree on the "Good Guys" theme but I also believe the job is not done and the ink is still wet.  Everyone has their own views and or opinions and this back and forth "No you are wrong and I am right" has to stop.  We just need to come together as a community, hold hands, give a big group hug, kiss and make up.  Let bygones be bygones and let's move forward, give our Devs the support they so desperately need and see this project though to the end.