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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 850800 times)
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May 24, 2014, 06:00:55 AM
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How many total CLAMS?Pls tell us.   3.1M*4.6=14.26M?

Sorry for the delay Smiley
You can use the "debug" window inside of the client to execute the command "getinfo".
That will show you the total money supply.

It is currently around 14.9 million.  But the coin features a 1% annual Proof-Of-Stake reward - so it not quite a static total money supply.

The doge blockchain has become so big that someone invented multidoge, similar to multibit for bitcoin. What happens to all the multibit and multidoge users? They do not have wallet.dat files and will probably lack the technical skills to export keys.

I do not use Multi-Doge; though I have used MultiBit. 
MultiBit provides a function in the menu bar titled "Export Private Keys".

The process would be to go into the CLAMS Client and click Help -> Debug Window.  Then click the "Console".

From there a user can type "Help" to get a list of commands.

The command that would likely be helpful to import your keys would be: "importprivkey"

In the long-term, we intend to spend some time creating tools and guides to ease the conversion for the dozens of available wallet solutions.

Fuck IPO=Scam!

There is no IPO.  If you will look closely, the gif animation in the OP thread is reversed.  The joke was that he is gathering glitter, not tossing it Smiley

Another question is if I need my BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet update to the latest block before I copy it to the appdata/Roaming/CLAM/  ?

No, the other clients do not need to be sync'd.  The Clam Client WILL have to be sync'd however, once the wallet is imported Smiley

I have my old doge wallet backup but there's no doge left in them. Do I still get clams?

That would depend.  How old is your old doge back-up?  If you DOGE back-up had coins in it when we did our dump some days ago; then yes, you could expect to find some CLAMS.  If not, we are sorry.

That said, I suppose there is not harm in throwing the wallet in the client and checking Grin

I have my old doge wallet backup but there's no doge left in them. Do I still get clams?

No.  Obviously the wallet.dat has to contain private keys that hold funds.  DUH!!! OTHERWISE HOW WILL THEY STEAL YOUR MONEY.

I understand your dis-trust.  I really do.  This is why the code is open source and available for everyone to review.  In addition, we have provided instructions on how to move your funds to a new wallet, safe and sound; BEFORE you import the old (now EMPTY) wallet.dat into the Clam Client.

Additionally, the client has been compiled as gitian build -> hopefully adding even more independent verifiability to the endeavor.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 24, 2014, 06:24:00 AM
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60 KH/s Scrypt and almost 30 KH/s Scrypt-N at kHashier.com

Thank you to anyone who might be sending their hash our direction Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 24, 2014, 06:25:29 AM
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very interested ,but want to know more details.

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May 24, 2014, 06:37:16 AM
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Section : "A Word Concerning Third-Parties" - take a good, long read of that and re-read again.

That section of the announcment sounds deeply suspicious.

It suggests trust and fairness, but reading between the lines exposes scam on a massive scale, potentially only benefitting the exchanges themselves.

How do we know this coin was not actually CREATED by an exchange or cartel of exchanges?

If it was, and the possibility *MUST* be entertained, then they could simply hold them and trade them without any knowledge of the owner of the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallets on their exchange.

Clam coins could then be manipulated by the exchanges themsleves and sold for BTC at their leisure as THEY would be the major holders of clams, not the users whose wallets they hold.

All they would need to do is install clam, upload all the addresses on their exchange and strip-mine the clam coins.

Remember, we are being asked to TRUST exchanges to be FAIR and HONEST when dealing with clam.  

They run exchanges to make money.

**WARNING**

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH

Someone, somewhere will always have to pay.

Please don't let it be you.


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May 24, 2014, 06:43:49 AM
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Section : "A Word Concerning Third-Parties" - take a good, long read of that and re-read again.
That section of the announcment sounds deeply suspicious.
It suggests trust and fairness, but reading between the lines exposes scam on a massive scale, potentially only benefitting the exchanges themselves.
How do we know this coin was not actually CREATED by an exchange or cartel of exchanges?
If it was, and the possibility *MUST* be entertained, then they could simply hold them and trade them without any knowledge of the owner of the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallets on their exchange.
Clam coins could then be manipulated by the exchanges themsleves and sold for BTC at their leisure as THEY would be the major holders of clams, not the users whose wallets they hold.
All they would need to do is install clam, upload all the addresses on their exchange and strip-mine the clam coins.
Remember, we are being asked to TRUST exchanges to be FAIR and HONEST when dealing with clam.  
They run exchanges to make money.
**WARNING**
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Someone, somewhere will always have to pay.
Please don't let it be you.

I certainly wish we ran an exchange Smiley

Alas, we do not.

That said, you are not being asked to TRUST exchanges.
In fact, the section you quote, was a very very polite way of requesting that the community....

Take up pitchforks and torches -> demanding their CLAMS.

Buy beyond that, we can't force a holder of a privateKey to do the right thing and distribute those coins to their users.

I swear: if we had thought up a way, we would have. We certainly tried.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 24, 2014, 06:48:46 AM
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I got my 4.6CLAM.

But I think the 4.6CLAM don't have too much value. It now is not worth to apply for it when having potential risk.

I think the biggest winners are exchanges.

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May 24, 2014, 06:50:15 AM
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Was just going through the git commits. I see the commits from after the fork from blackcoin and nothings looking worry some to me. I see there was some changes to base58 to support the keys with other identifiers, the rest seems pretty standard.

Built it in a fresh vm instance with no issues. Moved my coins to new wallets just to be extra safe and when I opened clams it seemed to be correct, there were clams there. 

Staked a block a few minutes ago with no problems also

Interesting idea! I considered something similar but got side tracked with other projects, I'll keep my eye on this one. 

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May 24, 2014, 06:54:26 AM
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most of the coin is for exchange platform!

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May 24, 2014, 06:59:35 AM
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most of the coin is for exchange platform!
I got my 4.6CLAM.
But I think the 4.6CLAM don't have too much value. It now is not worth to apply for it when having potential risk.
I think the biggest winners are exchanges.

I am not quite sure where this sentiment is coming from...

First of all, a responsible exchange would keep the majority of their coins in what are called "Cold Wallets".

The transaction which moves the coins to that cold wallet, would cause them to LOSE any CLAMS they might get from the deposits that make it up.

Further, I think the fact that we do not even HAVE an exchange yet, makes all of this a bit silly.... don't you?...?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 24, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
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sorry, to complicated and fishy for me  Tongue

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May 24, 2014, 07:00:06 AM
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Section : "A Word Concerning Third-Parties" - take a good, long read of that and re-read again.
That section of the announcment sounds deeply suspicious.
It suggests trust and fairness, but reading between the lines exposes scam on a massive scale, potentially only benefitting the exchanges themselves.
How do we know this coin was not actually CREATED by an exchange or cartel of exchanges?
If it was, and the possibility *MUST* be entertained, then they could simply hold them and trade them without any knowledge of the owner of the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallets on their exchange.
Clam coins could then be manipulated by the exchanges themsleves and sold for BTC at their leisure as THEY would be the major holders of clams, not the users whose wallets they hold.
All they would need to do is install clam, upload all the addresses on their exchange and strip-mine the clam coins.
Remember, we are being asked to TRUST exchanges to be FAIR and HONEST when dealing with clam.  
They run exchanges to make money.
**WARNING**
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Someone, somewhere will always have to pay.
Please don't let it be you.

I certainly wish we ran an exchange Smiley

Alas, we do not.

That said, you are not being asked to TRUST exchanges.
In fact, the section you quote, was a very very polite way of requesting that the community....

Take up pitchforks and torches -> demanding their CLAMS.

Buy beyond that, we can't force a holder of a privateKey to do the right thing and distribute those coins to their users.

I swear: if we had thought up a way, we would have. We certainly tried.
Of course we are being asked to TRUST the exchanges, don't mince words.

Quote "We would like to think (read 'hope') that these services would consider" (my bold)

Think ... Hope ... Consider ...

Everything is based on "hope" and possibility - read your own announcement.

As transactions are non-reversable, once the clam have been strip-mined there is no way back.

Personally, I hope genetic engineering would consider creating me a Unicorn that smells of pineapple and poos glitter.

I think it is possible.

It probably isn't though.


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May 24, 2014, 07:09:31 AM
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I have my old doge wallet backup but there's no doge left in them. Do I still get clams?

That would depend.  How old is your old doge back-up?  If you DOGE back-up had coins in it when we did our dump some days ago; then yes, you could expect to find some CLAMS.  If not, we are sorry.

That said, I suppose there is not harm in throwing the wallet in the client and checking Grin

Haven't had doge in there in months, so maybe I'm out of luck.
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May 24, 2014, 07:09:52 AM
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Of course we are being asked to TRUST the exchanges, don't mince words.
Quote "We would like to think (read 'hope') that these services would consider" (my bold)
Think ... Hope ... Consider ...
Everything is based on "hope" and possibility - read your own announcement.
As transactions are non-reversable, once the clam have been strip-mined there is no way back.
Personally, I hope genetic engineering would consider creating me a Unicorn that smells of pineapple and poos glitter.
I think it is possible.
It probably isn't though.

My, aren't you the colorful one  Shocked

The fact is, any responsible member of this community would recommend after the numerous thefts of user funds by various exchanges that all users...

Pro Tip: KEEP THEIR COINS IN THEIR PERSONAL WALLET.


Assuming that at least a good deal of intelligent people did just THAT..... then your witch hunt would be quite... mis-placed?

Further, a basic understanding of the mechanics behind a service that utilizes crypto-daemons in any large business would understand that though exchanges will have some coins, the risk is not the pariah you would make it out to be.  Cold-Wallets, dust-collection, and any number of other necessary functions to keep the daemons running smoothly would limit and counter-act this effect you speak of.

We are sorry you seem to be quite upset - but until we see otherwise, the development team does not believe this to be the massive issue you make it out to be.

A final word:

If you are trolling this thread, out of personal gain and commitment for a different coin and any perceived threat you might think CLAMS poses to that coin..... we would appreciate greatly if you would consider the work and effort of others before you continue.

Or, show us another that gave away 100% of the total money supply before launch.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 24, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
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What if we could claim our clams with just our wallet addresses?
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May 24, 2014, 07:14:31 AM
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Pretty innovative idea for distribution but it all seems a little sketchy to me with all the wallet .dat changes and every 5th word in the announcement being "trust". Apparently I've already got my CLAMS so any guinea pigs post back...
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May 24, 2014, 07:17:38 AM
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Of course we are being asked to TRUST the exchanges, don't mince words.
Quote "We would like to think (read 'hope') that these services would consider" (my bold)
Think ... Hope ... Consider ...
Everything is based on "hope" and possibility - read your own announcement.
As transactions are non-reversable, once the clam have been strip-mined there is no way back.
Personally, I hope genetic engineering would consider creating me a Unicorn that smells of pineapple and poos glitter.
I think it is possible.
It probably isn't though.

My, aren't you the colorful one  Shocked

The fact is, any responsible member of this community would recommend after the numerous thefts of user funds by various exchanges that all users...

Pro Tip: KEEP THEIR COINS IN THEIR PERSONAL WALLET.


Assuming that at least a good deal of intelligent people did just THAT..... then your witch hunt would be quite... mis-placed?

Further, a basic understanding of the mechanics behind a service that utilizes crypto-daemons in any large business would understand that though exchanges will have some coins, the risk is not the pariah you would make it out to be.  Cold-Wallets, dust-collection, and any number of other necessary functions to keep the daemons running smoothly would limit and counter-act this effect you speak of.

We are sorry you seem to be quite upset - but until we see otherwise, the development team does not believe this to be the massive issue you make it out to be.

A final word:

If you are trolling this thread, out of personal gain and commitment for a different coin and any perceived threat you might think CLAMS poses to that coin..... we would appreciate greatly if you would consider the work and effort of others before you continue.

Or, show us another that gave away 100% of the total money supply before launch.
I am not trolling.  I am not committed to any particular coin, I have quite a few coins on the go.  I am not trying to derail clam because of any perceived threat.

I am, however, deeply suspicious - and in the quagmire of here-today-gone-tomorrow coins, this one stands out as being a little odd.

I have raised a valid point which has not been adequately answered.

Many people hold BTC/LTC/DOGE *ON* exchanges so they can exchange quickly when prices rise/fall - they do not always unload to their own wallet between trades.

If your intentions are honourable and I have got the wrong impression, then I apologise.

I won't be installing clam.

If it takes off, I may trade some in the future.

Good luck with your project.
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May 24, 2014, 07:19:24 AM
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The ANN is legit.  My Clams were in my wallet, and so are my BTC as well.

Mildly familiar with the code, and frankly there aren't a whole lot of changes.

I will delete my account if this is a scam to steal wallet.dat files.

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How does the payout occurs at kHashier ? There is no exchange accepting CLAM yet.
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May 24, 2014, 07:34:32 AM
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How does the payout occurs at kHashier ? There is no exchange accepting CLAM yet.

kHashier.com uses a unique form of payout, which accrues shares over the entire time miners mine at the pool.

At the moment, shares are accruing and coins from found blocks are being automatically dumped to exchanges to yield BTC.

Once CLAMS is listed on an exchange, buy orders will be placed for clams. 

These clams will be distributed to the miners of the pool in direct proportion to the amount of "work" that miner has input into the pool.

Hope that is helpful Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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How does the payout occurs at kHashier ? There is no exchange accepting CLAM yet.

kHashier.com uses a unique form of payout, which accrues shares over the entire time miners mine at the pool.

At the moment, shares are accruing and coins from found blocks are being automatically dumped to exchanges to yield BTC.

Once CLAMS is listed on an exchange, buy orders will be placed for clams.  

These clams will be distributed to the miners of the pool in direct proportion to the amount of "work" that miner has input into the pool.

Hope that is helpful Smiley

OK so an exchange is needed as soon as possible because I do not feel people will mine for days on a pool without any payout.

Otherwise I find the distribution idea quite original but it requires 2 important trusts:
1. You have not created tons of addresses for you before distribution
2. Exchanges and online wallets must cooperate in the distribution
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