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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 850650 times)
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May 25, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
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the vast majority of addresses CLAMS were sent to were Bitcoin addresses due to the size of the Bitcoin chain
I don't think many bitcoin users bother with alts, and there are numerous lost bitcoin keys together with old addresses that have not been used in years.
This should mean there will be significantly less clams claimed than the total created. What number of clams do you expect to be claimed within a year.

This is absolutely true.

In fact, it is one of the WONDROUS things about this distribution.

This should essentially make it so that inflation correlates, somewhat, to growth.

I.e.  

- The more users who redeem their coins, the more coins there are in circulation. (Supply)
- The more users who redeem their coins, the more users there are in circulation. (Demand)



As to a guess about how many coins are "lost" and how many will be 'claimed' (wrong word, as they can't be not "claimed", they already control them and just don't know it yet)?

Who knows?

We don't expect the total distribution of CLAMS to be massive, especially at first.

We hope the answer to the "claimed" question is a really really really big number  Grin
Once the word gets out...

For !!!SCIENCE!!! and !!!FUN!!! Grin Grin



^^^ Please ignore the Nerd reference above.

I think its a rather smart distribution method, will spread the coins far though only a small percentage would claim the coins. Also hard to cheat after the fact.

Though as I often argue does starting distribution even matter, once you can purchase it for btc (and thus fiat) it'll all go to a few hands anyway.

Thank you  Grin

We do too  Grin

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May 25, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
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Nice the intention  to be fair and original but distribution is enough unfriendly. I lost my self on reading the Op  Undecided

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May 25, 2014, 01:26:59 PM
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Can you import from btc,ltc and doge wallet or only from one of those?



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May 25, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
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Can you import from btc,ltc and doge wallet or only from one of those?
 Thank you.

Great question!

You can import in all three, but it will take a couple sends/transactions if you want all of the CLAMS in one wallet.

Each time you import one of the wallets, just send the coins from it to an address in one of the other wallets; until you have them all together.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU BACK-UP YOUR WALLETS!!!

Don't want to accidentally over-write or delete a wallet.dat file with coins in it!!!

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May 25, 2014, 02:08:45 PM
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Oh yeah, very original https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570366.msg6236603#msg6236603
Thanks, I have lots of great Ideas. Glad to see someone implemented it.
Did you make a bunch of addresses ahead of time like I suggested?

All due respect, friend:

We started this project before the date of that post, and had not seen it.
Though we certainly think you do have good ideas, as we did something kind of similar!


Secondly, as we have said previously, we didn't distribute coins to all "Addresses".

Addresses that you create inside of a bitcoin-esque client or daemon do not "exist" on the chain.
When you click "create address" that addresses exists on your computer and your computer only.
It isn't until that address has a balance, or unspent output, that it is broadcast out to the network.

In fact, it seems our distribution might have more in common with what you were arguing against and are clearly still arguing against, doesn't it?

I mean we took into account balance in an odd way, as a balance was required for us to know the address existed and we eliminated tiny dust balances before the sends.

Please, if you have a better idea of how to distribute coins evenly to the widest group of people possible, in a decentralized un-cheatable fashion:

We will gladly help you to get the data from the chains and whatever you would need to get it done!

In short, if you can do it better: Do it better.
PM us, We would be happy to help.

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May 25, 2014, 02:18:21 PM
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S C L A M Coin !

Sorry couldn't resist.

I guess the devs put in a lot of work, and it is innovative.

But its a load of bollocks.

Like I said.... Ive been wrong before!

Still guys! good work! But still bollocks!

Genius! But cobblers.

The first coin in history of virtual currency to be COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL ORIGINAL

While maintaining all the attributes of my hairy ball sack.

I take my hat off to you!

Then spit on it.




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May 25, 2014, 02:23:48 PM
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S C L A M Coin !
Sorry couldn't resist.
I guess the devs put in a lot of work, and it is innovative.
But its a load of bollocks.
Like I said.... Ive been wrong before!
Still guys! good work! But still bollocks!

Fair enough  Grin Grin Grin

You seem like "good people"  Grin

And we like the similarity of the L with the monetary symbol for Litecoin Grin

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May 25, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
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I have 30,000 BTC addresses that I've used for my private mixing solution... I wonder if it's worth importing them.
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May 25, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
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Im seriously bloody impressed!

Its just beyond my mental capacity to understand / a pain in the arse to play with private keys

I dunno Dev.

I guess only time will tell.

Really impressed tho!

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May 25, 2014, 02:28:04 PM
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I have 30,000 BTC addresses that I've used for my private mixing solution... I wonder if it's worth importing them.

Probably not, unless you steal people's money and keep the outputs.

Fin.

P.S. What did we do to make you so angry that we deserved all the effort it took to create a new account just to Troll our thread?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 25, 2014, 02:38:04 PM
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Im seriously bloody impressed!
Its just beyond my mental capacity to understand / a pain in the arse to play with private keys
I dunno Dev.
I guess only time will tell.
Really impressed tho!

Thanks DoctorG Grin

Means a lot to us; Coming from someone who has been around for a bit Grin

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May 25, 2014, 02:42:08 PM
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Im seriously bloody impressed!
Its just beyond my mental capacity to understand / a pain in the arse to play with private keys
I dunno Dev.
I guess only time will tell.
Really impressed tho!

Thanks DoctorG Grin

Means a lot to us; Coming from someone who has been around for a bit Grin

If you play the long game with this one Im sure it will work out.

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May 25, 2014, 02:43:49 PM
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How do we know the dev didn't create 100 wallets with 100 addresses and send one doge coin to each address? That would give him 45 thousand clams.

why he bother to do that complicated way?what he just have to do was just send himself a tons of clams to his own clams' wallet.
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May 25, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
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How do we know the dev didn't create 100 wallets with 100 addresses and send one doge coin to each address? That would give him 45 thousand clams.

why he bother to do that complicated way?what he just have to do was just send himself a tons of clams to his own clams' wallet.

That's a good point, he could just skip the sending one doge coin to each address step.
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May 25, 2014, 02:48:46 PM
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why he bother to do that complicated way?what he just have to do was just send himself a tons of clams to his own clams' wallet.
That's a good point, he could just skip the sending one doge coin to each address step.

^ This is true.  That is one of the wonderful things about the block chain: it is public record and available to every single Client/User.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 25, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
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This is mindblowing, in a good way I think.
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May 25, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
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This is mindblowing, in a good way I think.

Thanks!  Grin Grin



In other news!

The kHashier.com pool is trucking along nicely, but it sure could use some more hash!

With the great folks at AGX.io listing us, and talks with other exchanges looking positive, it looks like we will soon have a moving market for CLAMS!

Once the market finds a value, the pool will start purchasing and distributing CLAMS!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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May 25, 2014, 06:54:27 PM
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Heh, so if it is txout based (how CLAMs were given), and the dev's didn't try to give themselves a huge advantage, then the luckiest clam holders are probably p2pool miners that never merge their coins into single txouts.

Some major analysis on the CLAM chain and the prior imports is needed I think.  Should be very interesting.
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May 25, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
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Did you run -salvagewallet during the first load? Otherwise your wallet.dat will hold tx information for invalid tx's, thus the "too high" and "negative" errors i suspect.
Yes...  There are still tons of exceptions in the debug.log with -salvagewallet.

Code:
Renamed wallet.dat to wallet.1401006085.bak
Salvage(aggressive) found 1210 records

<tons of: ******* exception encountered ******* s>:
ERROR: CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : txout.nValue too high
ERROR: CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : txout.nValue negative
WARNING: CWalletDB::Recover skipping key:
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May 25, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
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I only really use my Android wallet so I can't get these Sad

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