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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1153890 times)
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August 21, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
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after importing wallets, should I create a new wallet and send all the clams to the new one (to avoid leaking private keys of the original wallets) ?

Will it reduce my minting ability if I do that ?

What can I do with all the clams now, any dice sites, merchants, pizza, clambase, xclamster ?

I would let them stake once first as they are nicely aged and should stake reasonably quickly. After that do with them as you like Smiley
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August 21, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
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Is there a way to check a Bitcoin address to see if it has been sent CLAMS without scanning the wallet? I checked the first post but didn't see anything.
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August 21, 2014, 09:42:12 AM
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Is there a way to check a Bitcoin address to see if it has been sent CLAMS without scanning the wallet? I checked the first post but didn't see anything.

Well there's xploited's method above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg8460891#msg8460891 ) or see this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg8254418;topicseen#msg8254418
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August 21, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
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I imported my DOGE wallet and there is no CLAMs.
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August 21, 2014, 11:22:55 PM
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I imported my DOGE wallet and there is no CLAMs.

Sorry to hear that. The addresses in your wallet must not have been funded back on may 12th when the snapshot was taken.

Any addresses created after that time would not be seen on the clam chain

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August 21, 2014, 11:35:40 PM
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Is there a way to check a Bitcoin address to see if it has been sent CLAMS without scanning the wallet? I checked the first post but didn't see anything.
Well there's xploited's method above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg8460891#msg8460891 ) or see this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg8254418;topicseen#msg8254418

I hate to repeat myself, but I think that this is very important.

The last thing we want is a user who HAS Clams waiting for them to think that they do NOT HAVE them.



If you don't understand "change" addresses, please be aware that using the various methods listed to 'check' may give you a false negative on claiming CLAMS. 

It is possible, and even likely, that there may be CLAMS waiting for you in a "change" address.

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August 22, 2014, 08:42:20 AM
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I hate to repeat myself, but I think that this is very important.

The last thing we want is a user who HAS Clams waiting for them to think that they do NOT HAVE them.



If you don't understand "change" addresses, please be aware that using the various methods listed to 'check' may give you a false negative on claiming CLAMS. 

It is possible, and even likely, that there may be CLAMS waiting for you in a "change" address.

Indeed. There's a difference to checking a single "address" and checking a "wallet". Maybe there should be information in the first post regarding each and the distinction between them?
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August 22, 2014, 09:38:34 AM
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i suppose because of fear in general of importing other wallets (no matter how much we try to show that it is completely safe in CLAMS) they would like to check first before diving in

would running "listreceivedbyaddress 0 true" in the debug console printout all the addresses in the wallet including change addresses? or is there a better command

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August 22, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
Last edit: August 22, 2014, 05:39:52 PM by dooglus
 #969

i suppose because of fear in general of importing other wallets (no matter how much we try to show that it is completely safe in CLAMS) they would like to check first before diving in

would running "listreceivedbyaddress 0 true" in the debug console printout all the addresses in the wallet including change addresses? or is there a better command

That's a great idea.

The '0' is the number of confirmations needed to list an address - so if we can find out how many blocks there have been since the CLAM snapshot of the Bitcoin blockchain was taken, that's the number we need to put there. And the 'true' means to list addresses that never received any coins, so we don't want that.

Checking blockchain.info I see that block 298520 has a timestamp of 2014-05-01 01:02:33, which I'm guessing is around the time the snapshot was taken - but the CLAM developers should be able to give us the exact block number for all three snapshots.

Then at a Linux shell prompt I can run:

Code:
bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress $(($(bitcoind getblockcount) - 298520)) | grep address

to get a list of all the addresses which were funded on or before that block number and so should have CLAMs (if the funding wasn't just dust)

[ Edit: some of the addresses it lists may have had a balance before the snapshot, but been empty at the time of the snapshot and so won't have any CLAMs to dig; it would be nice if I could improve my script to only show addresses which had a "balance" (I hope lukejr doesn't see this) at a certain block number, but I don't see a way of doing that; I was excited when I converted the list of addresses in my wallet into CLAM addresses, then used 'validateaddress' in the clam wallet only to find that none of them had been imported - but it turns out all the listed addresses were empty at the dump date, because my whole wallet was empty at the time - apparently all my coins were invested on a dodgy dice site ]

Or, better, I can run:

Code:
bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress $(($(bitcoind getblockcount) - 298520)) | grep -E '^ *"(address|amount)"' | awk '{print $3}' | while read address; do read amount; echo $amount $address; done | sort -n

to get the same list, but with the amount received, sorted in order of amount received:

Code:
0.00000001, "1Mi3enEMy3GSAYSoifs9L8jZ2c4A2EZ7co",
0.00000008, "1Pqn9rAJup6cWzd6JrhJVPCmBTqVLN1y3W",
0.00005669, "1JXDq76gJirgk5v2djmdo5DjtncrGXw4Tm",
...
3538.96307960, "1DodGYjF5LFoKg186jANZV9U8znXjagSzS",
4673.25920093, "1PwncQYDQDUAhrr2Ag5cTj3QNurMc3kWJu",
14700.00000000, "1PwgycpEn4G2Tb8wVNgMrhACukXLfvYsRf",
562890.27306771, "14Fu4z4EBmX8Lq7H3whG9bUJFLAdBDEevY",

If you don't have a Linux shell prompt, you can use the console in bitcoin-qt:

Run 'getblockcount' to get the current block number
Subtract 298520 from it, to get the depth of the CLAM snapshot (replace 298520 with the real number if it becomes known)
Run 'listreceivedbyaddress NNNN' where NNNN is the result of the above subtraction

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August 23, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
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Network weight has been crazy lately huh?
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August 23, 2014, 04:04:16 PM
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Network weight has been crazy lately huh?

Yes. I'm wondering if the guy who dug up DOGE-CLAMs for 4 days solid a while ago recently remembered his wallet, and has stated letting it stake.

The difficulty is around 10 times harder than usual, and has been for 3 days now.

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August 23, 2014, 09:32:36 PM
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In the last 4 days I've been trying to download the client from Mega,
but somehow even at 1% it's giving me "temporary error" whatever that is...
though it keeps progressing very slowly but always giving me constant errors
do I need to register first to be able to download it smoothly without problem?

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August 24, 2014, 12:35:41 AM
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In the last 4 days I've been trying to download the client from Mega,
but somehow even at 1% it's giving me "temporary error" whatever that is...
though it keeps progressing very slowly but always giving me constant errors
do I need to register first to be able to download it smoothly without problem?

Shouldn't be a problem... Just downloaded fine.

I often see problems like yours on hard drives with file system errors... Start an elevated cmd.exe command prompt, type:
chkdsk c: /f /v /x /r

Restart your computer and wait 2 to 5 hours... Good luck!


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August 24, 2014, 06:12:37 PM
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Most of the time the difficulty is at its minimum, meaning that every 1 CLAM-day output has a 1-in-a-million chance of staking each second.

Currently the difficulty is 20 times higher than the minimum, meaning that each output is 20 times less likely to stake in any given time period.

What's the minimum difficulty that you're mentioning?
In other words, the network difficulty is currently around 213000. How many times the minimum difficulty is that ?
The client tells me I can expect a stake in 3 days, but it's not clear how that interacts with the randomness.

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August 24, 2014, 06:31:12 PM
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Most of the time the difficulty is at its minimum, meaning that every 1 CLAM-day output has a 1-in-a-million chance of staking each second.

Currently the difficulty is 20 times higher than the minimum, meaning that each output is 20 times less likely to stake in any given time period.

What's the minimum difficulty that you're mentioning?
In other words, the network difficulty is currently around 213000. How many times the minimum difficulty is that ?
The client tells me I can expect a stake in 3 days, but it's not clear how that interacts with the randomness.

Thanks



9-10k weight was common for a long time. It is starting to look like those days are long gone Sad
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August 24, 2014, 06:31:17 PM
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I imported my DOGE wallet and there is no CLAMs.

You need have DOGE when clam was launced.
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August 24, 2014, 07:42:22 PM
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Most of the time the difficulty is at its minimum, meaning that every 1 CLAM-day output has a 1-in-a-million chance of staking each second.

Currently the difficulty is 20 times higher than the minimum, meaning that each output is 20 times less likely to stake in any given time period.

What's the minimum difficulty that you're mentioning?
In other words, the network difficulty is currently around 213000. How many times the minimum difficulty is that ?
The client tells me I can expect a stake in 3 days, but it's not clear how that interacts with the randomness.

Thanks


The network weight isn't the difficulty though. If you go into the client Debug console and type "getstakinginfo" that will tell you what the current difficulty is. The network weight is the sum of the weights of all the coins available to stake. Current difficulty is 0.00284345 (which is used just as in traditional POW mining). IIRC minimum difficulty is 0.0001.
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August 24, 2014, 07:56:30 PM
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Is this correct, that this coin is POS only ? No way to mine it ?
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Is this correct, that this coin is POS only ? No way to mine it ?

There's a pool that pays out in CLAMs, although those are bought with 75% of the mining proceeds. The other 25% is used as the CLAM Shell - To add buy support below market value.
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August 24, 2014, 11:13:43 PM
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What's the minimum difficulty that you're mentioning?

When very little weight is staking, the difficulty decreases, to make it easier for people to stake.

The lowest it goes is 1/4096 = 0.00024414

Currently it's around:

0.00224045
0.00240555
0.00264976
0.00261897
0.00279432
0.00314596

(those were the difficulties after 6 recent blocks).

That's about 10 times higher than the minimum of 1/4096.

In other words, the network difficulty is currently around 213000. How many times the minimum difficulty is that ?

Where do you see that number?

I see a number around 0.002:

$ clamd getdifficulty
{
    "proof-of-work" : 0.00024876,
    "proof-of-stake" : 0.00275561,
    "search-interval" : 1
}

The client tells me I can expect a stake in 3 days, but it's not clear how that interacts with the randomness.

The client has been quite inaccurate about expected staking times. I'm not sure whether it is better now or not.

The way the randomness works is that each second, each of your coin outputs gets hashed with the current time (in seconds). If that hash is lower than the current target per CLAM-day (which is a function of the current difficulty) multiplied by the weight of the output (which is its value times its age) then it gets to stake.

In effect you are entering a lottery every second, with a tiny chance of winning each time. As you keep failing to win, your output gets older, which gives it more weight, and so a better chance of winning. But at the same time everyone else is doing the same, and the faster they stake, the higher the difficulty increases, making the lottery harder to win.

Edit: about half an hour after posting this, the difficulty fell dramatically. Now it's relatively easy to stake again:

$ clamd getdifficulty
{
    "proof-of-work" : 0.00024876,
    "proof-of-stake" : 0.00054170,
    "search-interval" : 1
}

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