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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? |
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Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? Well, for example, i used to keep all my XMR on Polo until web wallet came out... I guess there are reasons to keep coins on exchanges out of convinience, not just trading, it serves as a multi-wallet... |
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April 18, 2015, 03:33:39 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? Well, for example, i used to keep all my XMR on Polo until web wallet came out... I guess there are reasons to keep coins on exchanges out of convinience, not just trading, it serves as a multi-wallet... I don't understand that. I mean okay, appearantly it is indeed a use case but I don't understand why anyone would do it. It's like putting your money at risk for a little bit of convenience. It's pretty much like running around with all your money in cash in your wallet all the time just so you don't have to go to an atm. Makes no sense imho. |
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April 18, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
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Well, for example, i used to keep all my XMR on Polo until web wallet came out... I guess there are reasons to keep coins on exchanges out of convinience, not just trading, it serves as a multi-wallet...
I don't understand that. I mean okay, appearantly it is indeed a use case but I don't understand why anyone would do it. It's like putting your money at risk for a little bit of convenience. It's pretty much like running around with all your money in cash in your wallet all the time just so you don't have to go to an atm. Makes no sense imho. A lot of people dislike the usual cryptocurrency clients because they think those clients are uncomfortable and/or hard to operate. Convenience is extremely important. I for one don't have any issues but I prefer Electrum over Bitcoin-Qt any day. If NEM wants to attract all kinds of people and not just the tiny ~250k that are already using Bitcoin, it has to be fool proof. No Nis booting, no blockchain syncing, no installing, none of that. It's way too much for the average user. It must be ready to use instantaneously. Make it as simple and as easy and possible. Non-developer friends of mine outright refuse to use Bitcoin-Qt, Nxt client, etc... even words like crypto or blockchain turn them off. Once they realise Bitcoin-Qt needs a lot of time to sync they're like "wow why wait? PayPal is much better" (and rightly so tbh). If there's a lot of waiting, learning or fiddling involved, people aren't interested. As easy as possible and as fast as possible is the way to go. On mobile and on desktop. |
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Well, for example, i used to keep all my XMR on Polo until web wallet came out... I guess there are reasons to keep coins on exchanges out of convinience, not just trading, it serves as a multi-wallet...
I don't understand that. I mean okay, appearantly it is indeed a use case but I don't understand why anyone would do it. It's like putting your money at risk for a little bit of convenience. It's pretty much like running around with all your money in cash in your wallet all the time just so you don't have to go to an atm. Makes no sense imho. A lot of people dislike the usual cryptocurrency clients because they think those clients are uncomfortable and/or hard to operate. I for one don't have any issues but I prefer Electrum over Bitcoin-Qt any day. To make all kinds of people use NEM it has to be fool proof. No Nis booting, no blockchain syncing, no installing, none of that. It's way too much for the average user. It must be ready to use instantaneously. Make it as simple and as easy and possible. Non-developer friends of mine outright refuse to use Bitcoin-Qt, Nxt client, etc... even words like crypto or blockchain turn them off. Once they realise Bitcoin-Qt needs a lot of time to sync they're like "wow why wait? PayPal is much better" (and rightly so tbh). If there's a lot of waiting, learning or fiddling involved, people aren't interested. As easy as possible and as fast as possible is the way to go. On mobile and on desktop. Exactly. I had to move some NXT now and I haven't run the client in the last 8 days and it took 20-ish minutes to sync so that I can send NXT. Unacceptable. Imagine nowdays that you have to wait 20 minutes to send an email. Cold storage is different thing... I'm prepared to trade security with time and convenience... Another idea I would really like to see: some sort of notification when tx arrives. The tray icon used to have pretty verbose notifications about NIS/NCC/something activity but no notificiations that someone sent me XEM. I'm hoping that mobile app will bring those notifications at least, also I've been suggesting that instant transactions notifications need to happen if we ever want to see people using NEM to buy stuff in brick&mortar stores... I don't know how does it work now, maybe it is all already done. In that case - good work! :-) Bitcoin is very slow (10-minute blocks) but tx are broadcasted immediately (I believe NEM's tx are too - they need to be) and that makes BTC useful to buy stuff without waiting for confirmations. Ofcourse on larger txs and if you have time, you can always wait 3-4 tx. |
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April 18, 2015, 04:29:27 PM |
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One thing I know for sure is if I want to use my wallet I don't need to boot up NIS. I just boot up NCC and connect it with any NIS and I am in the network immediately.
Cannot be any simpler.
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April 18, 2015, 04:31:05 PM
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just boot up NCC and connect it with any NIS and I am in the network immediately.
Cannot be any simpler.
no, that's actually not simple. boot, connect... fine for you and me, not for everyone. the average person won't "boot up NCC and connect to any NIS", believe me. Average person is not even interested what NCC or NIS means or is. In my view the fool proof solution I described above is essential if the target audience is NOT only the 250k already involved in Bitcoin but also people other than that small circle. |
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April 18, 2015, 04:32:17 PM |
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just boot up NCC and connect it with any NIS and I am in the network immediately.
Cannot be any simpler.
no, that's not simple. boot, connect... fine for you and me, not for everyone. the average person won't "boot and connect to any NIS", believe me. You don't need to boot or connect. You start NCC, enter your password and are done. Ready to go. Obviously you need to configure it once but that doesn't have to stay that way. |
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April 18, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
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just boot up NCC and connect it with any NIS and I am in the network immediately.
Cannot be any simpler.
no, that's not simple. boot, connect... fine for you and me, not for everyone. the average person won't "boot and connect to any NIS", believe me.
Surprisingly, plenty comments in this thread actually tell otherwise -- and keep in mind those users are already used to cryptocurrency clients and far from clueless. They already know the gist of the software. BUT, example: not baffling really when the NEM software stops working all the time. Since this latest upgrade I can't access my wallet anymore  Any help please? Even though it says NIS and NIC is running it will not let me open my wallet. The NCC will not work... It is not as smooth/simple as you make it appear to be. To succeed in some serious adoption user convenience must be #1 priority. Don't expect anyone to fiddle around or learn. You know, it all seems simple if you know what it is. Sure, it's extremely simple for me. I understand the software. "Average guy/gal" doesn't, cause he/she neither has the time nor interest to get into this. If you really want to see average people (including those who reject Bitcoin) use this thing, the suggested electrum-style wallets / web wallets etc. -- everything that makes it as simple to use as PayPal -- are absolutely, fundamentally essential. A realist clearly knows that if one ignores potential user's convenience, users will ignore NEM. It is as simple as that. If it's not easy to adopt it won't be used. But I guess we're all aware of that, right? just my 2 cents. |
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April 18, 2015, 05:21:19 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? with all respect. you are totally wrong. Many guys are using exchanges as online wallets. What are cryptocurrencies at the Moment? Let's be honest, speculation objects! For this reason mostly part of People Keep their funds there in order to react quickly. accept you are at work and cannot Access a Computer, and the Price is crashing... you would can react immediately! For this reason an online wallet is fundamental. |
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loyer
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April 18, 2015, 05:26:27 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? Well, for example, i used to keep all my XMR on Polo until web wallet came out... I guess there are reasons to keep coins on exchanges out of convinience, not just trading, it serves as a multi-wallet... I don't understand that. I mean okay, appearantly it is indeed a use case but I don't understand why anyone would do it. It's like putting your money at risk for a little bit of convenience. It's pretty much like running around with all your money in cash in your wallet all the time just so you don't have to go to an atm. Makes no sense imho. it make sense. Cryptocurrencies are risky anyway. The value can Crash at every time... Everyone would can Access his Money from everywhere and not from home Computer only... try to start a poll, i bet my stake that i would win  |
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April 18, 2015, 05:51:19 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? with all respect. you are totally wrong. Many guys are using exchanges as online wallets. What are cryptocurrencies at the Moment? Let's be honest, speculation objects! For this reason mostly part of People Keep their funds there in order to react quickly. accept you are at work and cannot Access a Computer, and the Price is crashing... you would can react immediately! For this reason an online wallet is fundamental. And how is reacting to the price crashing not trading / speculating ? For me that's the same thing. Not to mention that mostly the price crashes due to people having all their coins on exchanges and doing a lot of speculation. Prices don't just crash because they feel like it. Anyway...I guess we can all agree to dissagree  |
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April 18, 2015, 05:55:03 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? with all respect. you are totally wrong. Many guys are using exchanges as online wallets. What are cryptocurrencies at the Moment? Let's be honest, speculation objects! For this reason mostly part of People Keep their funds there in order to react quickly. accept you are at work and cannot Access a Computer, and the Price is crashing... you would can react immediately! For this reason an online wallet is fundamental. And how is reacting to the price crashing not trading / speculating ? For me that's the same thing. Not to mention that mostly the price crashes due to people having all their coins on exchanges and doing a lot of speculation. Prices don't just crash because they feel like it. Anyway...I guess we can all agree to dissagree LOL, only nem Team does disagree as to all that is proposed   |
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April 18, 2015, 05:58:50 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? with all respect. you are totally wrong. Many guys are using exchanges as online wallets. What are cryptocurrencies at the Moment? Let's be honest, speculation objects! For this reason mostly part of People Keep their funds there in order to react quickly. accept you are at work and cannot Access a Computer, and the Price is crashing... you would can react immediately! For this reason an online wallet is fundamental. And how is reacting to the price crashing not trading / speculating ? For me that's the same thing. Not to mention that mostly the price crashes due to people having all their coins on exchanges and doing a lot of speculation. Prices don't just crash because they feel like it. Anyway...I guess we can all agree to dissagree LOL, only nem Team does disagree as to all that is proposed right! it is exactly like that outsider proposals are completely ignored, therefore, the people lose interest in participation |
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April 18, 2015, 06:27:40 PM |
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Question for discussion:
Should exchanges be allowed to harvest?
You can't stop anyone from harvesting. Each account makes it's own decision From what i know from some poloniex mods, their contract prohibits harvesting If poloniex is NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D then they are harvesting It's their call no one can stop them. Although I must say I wouldn't do that... If they really do, I hope they're doing it on some separate node, not on the node they use for getting information. So exchanges are like banks then? Charge a fee to buy & sell and use the parked XEM for a high POI score so they can harvest blocks for the txs fees. People hate banks for the profits they make off us but I guess it's ok for exchanges. Well, this is a problem. Many people send to Poloniex and increase her PoI. Already at 10%, no way to avoid this, ok? it is possible attack the network with a significant amount of PoI? It's always a bad idea to leave your crypto's at exchanges for more time than you need to. People should know this. See my signature and you know what I mean. Unfortunately this is a necessary evil. Is have no another marketplace better than Exchanges. I lost that amount in Bter. No it's not a necessary evil. Why would it be necessary for anyone to leave any coin on an exchange ? If you want to sell something deposit the amount you want to sell on an exchange. Keep the rest in your wallet. It's really baffling that people still keep coins on exchanges. How many compromised exchanges does it take for people to learn ? I guess always 1 more. you should ask the question why people let her coins on exchanges!! Because it is easier, and because people do not want install additional software, and also because an exchange can be accessed from everywhere. That's why NEM would be a step forward to the others with a secure, easy constructed and accessible online wallet Dissagree. They leave it there because they wanna trade and speculate. You honestly mean to tell me that people are using exchanges as online wallets ? C'mon. I gues we'll see a huge waves of withdrawals when the app comes out then ? with all respect. you are totally wrong. Many guys are using exchanges as online wallets. What are cryptocurrencies at the Moment? Let's be honest, speculation objects! For this reason mostly part of People Keep their funds there in order to react quickly. accept you are at work and cannot Access a Computer, and the Price is crashing... you would can react immediately! For this reason an online wallet is fundamental. And how is reacting to the price crashing not trading / speculating ? For me that's the same thing. Not to mention that mostly the price crashes due to people having all their coins on exchanges and doing a lot of speculation. Prices don't just crash because they feel like it. Anyway...I guess we can all agree to dissagree LOL, only nem Team does disagree as to all that is proposed right! it is exactly like that outsider proposals are completely ignored, therefore, the people lose interest in participation what proposals? build a web wallet? we need a (GOOD) dev who will either work for nem or do it for free.. mobile app? its in development.. if proposals are made they will obviously be looked into but not everything is possible to do because of either funding or lack of willing man power. @loyer, one mans opinion does not represent that of the teams.. the only posts which represent the opinion of the team are either announcements or posts where it is explicitly stated. please dont portray one persons opinion as that of the teams. we dont consult each other before every post we make thus they are PERSONAL opinions. i for one agree we need some kind of VERY accessible web type wallet, like spotify for crypto. but whos going to do it? proposals are useless if no one could or would do it. Holding 70% of NEM are funds enough to create everythin proposed IMO |
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April 18, 2015, 06:29:05 PM |
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Is it possible to harvesting while computer is turned off??
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mickyd
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April 18, 2015, 06:36:38 PM |
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@mickyd, not if no one accepts nem.... unless you would rather us crash the market? having such an amount of nem is useless if A) no GOOD devs accept it and B) market is too thin to even sell enough to cover current expenses, let alone add more expenses...
right! and without the necessary infrastructure (about what we just discussed), A+B will not arrive! which is a circuit so i made the proposals at the time, to increase the volume |
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mickyd
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April 18, 2015, 07:06:20 PM |
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@mickyd, not if no one accepts nem.... unless you would rather us crash the market? having such an amount of nem is useless if A) no GOOD devs accept it and B) market is too thin to even sell enough to cover current expenses, let alone add more expenses...
right! and without the necessary infrastructure (about what we just discussed), A+B will not arrive! which is a circuit so i made the proposals at the time, to increase the volume the thing is though, placing a buy wall doesnt increase volume and it will only delay market moves. you can slow a market down, or temporarily make it fall or rise but unless you have enough to sustain the manipulation over a period of time, its not going to have a lasting effect. you could place a 50 btc buy wall and it may for a long time hold the market up, but volume wouldnt increase and eventually, the price would creep ever closer to it and then sellers get nervous and start taking chunks out of it and before you know it, your bag holding and the market is falling like it would have originally. infrastructure is something nem has been focusing on best it can since day one through development of a stable network and a good client from launch as well as putting a mobile app into development (the cost of which is the reason for the auction) so that we can get more folks into nem as soon as possible which would be a mammoth task without a really high quality mobile app. it is indeed a chicken and egg situation, but imo the team is doing the absolute best it can with what its got right now and isnt doing badly either imo.. how many other original code base coins were completely stable and functional after launch and had such good security features? i made more proposals then a buy wall: To do's to make ricing the NEM price:
1. Support the other exchanges(mostly btc38 and bittrex)! If NEM can increase the volume and interest there, NEM can atreact new buyers!
Thats why it is important to trade on this other exchanges too!!!
2. Request CNY/XEM market on btc38! There the volume CNY markets volune are much higher then BTC market volumes!
3. Create a strong investors group, able to buy dumpers stakes! I would to joun with 10-20 BTC too!
something we should discuss
Absolutely right. NEM is completely stable and functional. But no one sees marketing or other Progresses. it was the proposal for a swarm Team, no one has supportet it... all this tells us there is no clear structure in NEM, so I'm as investor worry and try to help with suggestions, but nobody cares on it |
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DenisZabar
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April 18, 2015, 07:20:25 PM |
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nodes for public adress are for start local harvesting or delegated?? |
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