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[okaynow]

so nembit86, are you saying that because only 59 saw the poll, they get to choose where NEM goes?

having a manipulative poll is not the epitome of voting procedures.
Sheep could vote for the best butcher out of three choices, that doesn;t mean sheep can decide.

The fact of the matter is this:
Some very vocal users are arguing for issuing 8billion coins instead of 4billion that were the plan all along.
There has been ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far, and based on a manipulative poll
the very same vocal users are now saying that the 59 votes on nemforum "are the community opinion"

My point is that NO, they are not.
Since the 3000 did not decide for such a change, the 59 pro-8billion users are merely trying to create a fake image of compliance.

[rockethead]

there is absolutely no reasoning for such a change at this time of development, other that acquiring more coins.
No-one has given ANY reasonable argument, so please take your opinion on the shelf next to mine.

Once there is any kind of reasonable argument, we can get out of the kindergarden. In the mean time,
59 people are in no way a majority.
The majority of the stakeholders DID NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A CHANGE.

So, if you and anyone else believes that you are entitled to carry on with changes AGAINST the community, you should state so in clear and coherent manner and not hide such attempts behind fake polls and manipulative posts.

If proponents and the opponents should be shelved then the 59 stands. If not what stands? Not yours and not the proponents.

[okaynow]

wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

If yes, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner WHY this change needs to take place.
if you agree but this was not your idea, again, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner why it makes sense to change such a detail at this time of development.

Give me a reason, not an opinion

[rockethead]

so nembit86, are you saying that because only 59 saw the poll, they get to choose where NEM goes?

having a manipulative poll is not the epitome of voting procedures.
Sheep could vote for the best butcher out of three choices, that doesn;t mean sheep can decide.

The fact of the matter is this:
Some very vocal users are arguing for issuing 8billion coins instead of 4billion that were the plan all along.
There has been ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far, and based on a manipulative poll
the very same vocal users are now saying that the 59 votes on nemforum "are the community opinion"

My point is that NO, they are not. Since the 3000 did not decide for such a change, the pro-8billion users are merely trying to create a fake image of compliance.

ABSOLUTELY NO REASONABLE ARGUMENT so far? Rebut those put forth in the NEM forum. I don't see you rebutting?

Further, 3K did not decide that it should be 4 billion either. What have you got to say about that?

[okaynow]

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

[rockethead]

wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

No. It was not. It was someone else that made me think through before shooting it down like you. What words was I playing with? I touched the issue thoroughly and came away with a conclusion. Did you bother to read it and rebut it at the NEM forum? If you did not then go over and read them.

Don't knock things off by making statements that 59 only voted. Make logical reasoning and rebut accordingly. Anyone can say anything to kill an issue but is that the way to do it?

[okaynow]

59% voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

EDIT: 59% is what i meant to say, not people.
Its actually 35 votes, its worse than what i originally said.

[rockethead]

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

[nembit86]

59 voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

'We picked 4 billion because its 4 times 1 to Nxt....you know like Ltc was 4 times 1 toBtc.'......' 0h right' says the perplexed interviewer in the future.

[nembit86]

59% voted for the change in the poll over at nem forum.
They are the only people that said yes to this change.

go over at the poll and check for yourself, and report back to us,
how many said yes?

My logical reasoning is bolded in the comments you passed by so easily.

tell me again how asians were afraid of 4billion at launch, but not at the initial call for participation,
and how 8 is a "better marketable number"

or how "8 billion is close to earths' population"

EDIT: 59% is what i meant to say, not people.
Its actually 35 votes, its worse than what i originally said.

' You see sonny, its 4 billion because its always been like that'.....the old geezer says.....

[rockethead]

wow, rockethead, i see you can play with words just fine, but you wont really touch the issue, would you?
Tell me, was the 8billion your idea?

If yes, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner WHY this change needs to take place.
if you agree but this was not your idea, again, please explain in a reasonable, rational and adult manner why it makes sense to change such a detail at this time of development.

Give me a reason, not an opinion

I touched the issue thoroughly. Unlike you, I have explained it rationally and in an adult manner at the NEM forum. It is obvious that you are shooting fuds without considering what everyone else has said. You are merely provoking. Is that what you wish to do?

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2531.msg6776#msg6776

[okaynow]

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

So, to recap, according to your logic:
3000+ users subscribing to an idea, IS NOT proof of agreement with the idea.
3000+ users NOT voting on a flawed and manipulative poll IS NOT the majority of the 3000 stakeholders
35 votes towards the outcome you prefer is the majority.

ok bud

edit: on the fuds statement, that is poor defense. Plain simple poor defense.
Playin the FUD card on me is a new low on this debate.

[rockethead]

Absolutely no reasonable argument. Point to one.

3K said 4 billion is ok when they sent in their tx ids.

I cant see how those 4billions did not scare the asians at the time, but they scare them now.

(i love it when you guys have to cherrypick on two or three words in an argument, and try to twist it around)

3K subscribed does not mean that they necessarily agreed with 4 Billion coins. When Ford-T was rolled out, thousands bought it because there was no other model. If they had seen a 21st. century car at that time, they would not have gone for a Ford-T.

Asians are scared or not is immaterial now when the arguments put forth are for more coins and for some other reasons.

Like I said earlier change is a constant. If we are not even prepared to change and evolve from an earlier decision, then we should not even be in this paradigm of change that we are in.

So, to recap, according to your logic:
3000+ users subscribing to an idea, IS NOT proof of agreement with the idea.
3000+ users NOT voting on a flawed and manipulative poll IS NOT the majority of the 3000 stakeholders
35 votes towards the outcome you prefer is the majority.

ok bud

edit: on the fuds statement, that is poor defense. Plain simple poor defense.
Playin the FUD card on me is a new low on this debate.

Playing the FUD card on you because you have an irascible disposition rather than your claimed adult and rational discourse that you think you have by calling some people of kindergarten mentality.

[Thingamajig]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about this.

I think alot of people are scared that raising the limit to 8 billion is going to negatively impact the value of what they'll own - when they should know this will go unchanged, it'll simply just scale.

I'm in NEM for long term, so whether it changes to 8 billion or keeps it at 4 is of no concern to me - i see pro's and cons to both decisions and really i think either one isn't going to hurt.

[psybits]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about this.

I think alot of people are scared that raising the limit to 8 billion is going to negatively impact the value of what they'll own - when they should though this will go unchanged, it'll simply just scale.

I'm in NEM for long term, so whether it changes to 8 billion or keeps it at 4 is of no concern to me - i see pro's and cons to both decisions and really i think either one isn't going to hurt.

My opinion is that changes this big this late in the game are a very bad idea.

[DarkhorseofNxt]

My opinion though it does not matter to anyone is, changing the total supply coin of 4 billion to 8 billion is not an issue at all. It is basically greed. Who does not like extra. But the "reason" some of you arguing, "superstition" is imo totally irrational despite your sentiment arguments. If you want to do it, do it with a rational explanation, because now i am seeing NEM (New Economy Movement) into NSM (New Superstition Movement).

Thank you.

[okaynow]

Playing the FUD card on you because you have an irascible disposition rather than your claimed adult and rational discourse that you think you have by calling some people of kindergarten mentality.

Thank you for acknowledging that when the facts are not supporting your view you resort to ad hominems.

Kindergarden mentality, let me repeat:
35 votes is majority over 3000+ users.
3000+ users disagreeing with your views are irrelevant.
8 billion is "better marketable"
4 billion is scary at launch. Asians "are scared of 4"

and some more arguments of that same level, with which i openly disagreed and stated so in a nuber of posts that you so conveniently passed over.

Moreover, the fact that you or other proponents of doubling the total coin supply suggest even for just a splitsecond that users who did not vote should have their views sided with your view is completely irrational.
 
kindergarden waS polite rockethead. A polite expression.

What was your response? Crying fud on me.

[wangjj1]

I personal dislike to double at this timing, if we want to please Asian people , we just need to adjust the 4 Billion to 3.99 Billion, there will be no "4" number again, and why I chose 3.99 billion,because 3.99 billion=21 million(Bitcoin number)*190.
And I don't think if we double the number to 8 biilion ,the market cap will increase, even you take Stella and ripple as a sample ,but our target should be bitcoin ,while bitcoin number is just 21 million, but its maker cap always No1 until now!
  

[griffinriz]

i am also against 8 Billion change, stick with the initial plan. There is no logical reason to change quantity now.

[kodtycoon]

Changing to 8b = controversial.

Sticking to 4b = not controversial.

We should avoid any possible controversial changes at this late stage. It's been well and truly ingrained into people that it is 1m nem per stake. Changes to that May just cause more controversail situations and unnecessary confusion. That is reason enough to stick with 4b. Also it's going to cause confusion for months after cos some people will still think it's 4b the same way that some still think nem is a clone. This stuff sticks..

Plus many many people won't know about the change, assume they got double by mistake
And could end up dumping the extra cos they think it's free profit..

Is that not a compelling reason to stick with 4?