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May 25, 2017, 10:59:08 AM |
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yes .. science is empiric (proof - experiential) and religion is axiomatic (assumptive - transcendental)
many people limit the term God to religions .... established and traditional ...
but god is over religion and science but still under the evolution ...
so, evolution as action and god as reaction, it matches ....
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Astargath
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May 25, 2017, 01:32:15 PM |
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Science and God doesn't match. Science is about to prood things and Religion is about faith.
Therefore, science can never prove the existence of God. Science is not used to accept those things that an ordinary person can not see. Bullshit, what other methods are there to prove something? Faith? So which faith should we consider to be accurate, the christian faith, the Muslim faith? Jewish, Buddhism ? Faith is stupid and does not prove anything anywhere. The scientific method works, all the scientific theories work, we have medicine thanks to them, technology, the computer you are using right now exists because science works. Religion is useless, hasn't helped in anything. If you read the bible you realize it's not moral at all, slavery, homophobia... God preached those things, is that the all powerful God that everyone talks about? A God that failed numerous times and had to wipe the whole humanity, how does God actually fail? |
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May 25, 2017, 06:17:52 PM |
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Badecker is a religious fanatic, of course he would deny evolution. He believes himself to be some kind of renowned scientist, he reinterprets and redefines scientific laws, he believes in God but he is not religious, he is a God himself as he knows God's will, he understands how God is and he is also kind to forgive us for our blasphemy. He might also talk to God and save us from his wrath if we maybe say that he is right and the rest of the world as we know it is not. He does with science the same that he does with his religion. He claims in its name but denies it. Some might say he is full of himself but I have to disagree. He is not full of himself. He is full of shit.  It is a law of science that a simple theory is more plausible than a complicated one. Another law is that a plausible theory must adequately address the entire body of evidence. What is the plausible and simple theory/explanation for the 40 cases from AECES? Answer: Survival of the personality. I perceive that non-survival explanations given by you are neither adequate, nor simple. I'm sorry, but how did you link your answer with my post which was about Badecker? I need some time to read all those cases, research and give you my opinion on them, so you have no answer from me, yet you replied to my post about Badecker as if it were my opinion on that matter. Thanks for reading the cases, they really are, in my opinion, some of the strongest proof available. I am still waiting for a rebuttal for these cases, it must include an explanation that is simple and adequate, but to me it seems that survival is the most simple and adequate. |
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May 25, 2017, 08:17:39 PM |
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Astargath
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May 26, 2017, 08:49:33 AM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus? |
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May 27, 2017, 01:45:16 AM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus?
The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.
A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even Stranger New research has expanded on the discovery of a strange phenomenon called blackbody force, showing that the effect of radiation on particles surrounding massive objects can be magnified by the space that warps around them.
The find could affect how we model the formation of stars and planets, and even help us finally detect a theoretical form of radiation that allows black holes to evaporate.
In 2013, physicists announced radiation emitted from objects called 'blackbodies' could not only nudge small particles away, but tug them closer. What's more, for hot-enough objects with only a small amount of mass, the pushing force could be stronger than their gravitational pull.
If you've never come across the term, a blackbody is any opaque object that absorbs visible light, but doesn't reflect or transmit it.
Technically, blackbodies describe theoretically perfect objects that cannot reflect any light at all. Physical examples such as the carbon nanotube materials used to make the crazy-looking Vantablack coatings come pretty close. Read more and click the links at http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-discover-curved-space-magnifies-light-s-pulling-power. |
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Astargath
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May 27, 2017, 10:47:47 AM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus?
The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.
A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even StrangerNew research has expanded on the discovery of a strange phenomenon called blackbody force, showing that the effect of radiation on particles surrounding massive objects can be magnified by the space that warps around them.
The find could affect how we model the formation of stars and planets, and even help us finally detect a theoretical form of radiation that allows black holes to evaporate.
In 2013, physicists announced radiation emitted from objects called 'blackbodies' could not only nudge small particles away, but tug them closer. What's more, for hot-enough objects with only a small amount of mass, the pushing force could be stronger than their gravitational pull.
If you've never come across the term, a blackbody is any opaque object that absorbs visible light, but doesn't reflect or transmit it.
Technically, blackbodies describe theoretically perfect objects that cannot reflect any light at all. Physical examples such as the carbon nanotube materials used to make the crazy-looking Vantablack coatings come pretty close. Read more and click the links at http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-discover-curved-space-magnifies-light-s-pulling-power.You didn't answer, how do you know which God is the real God because you believe in the bible, why? How do you know it was a God? Stating laws is not proof, you are making conclusions for no reason, cause and effect doesn't point to God in any way. Everything has a cause, ok, how do you know it was God the first cause? |
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May 27, 2017, 11:15:53 AM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus?
The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.
A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even StrangerNew research has expanded on the discovery of a strange phenomenon called blackbody force, showing that the effect of radiation on particles surrounding massive objects can be magnified by the space that warps around them.
The find could affect how we model the formation of stars and planets, and even help us finally detect a theoretical form of radiation that allows black holes to evaporate.
In 2013, physicists announced radiation emitted from objects called 'blackbodies' could not only nudge small particles away, but tug them closer. What's more, for hot-enough objects with only a small amount of mass, the pushing force could be stronger than their gravitational pull.
If you've never come across the term, a blackbody is any opaque object that absorbs visible light, but doesn't reflect or transmit it.
Technically, blackbodies describe theoretically perfect objects that cannot reflect any light at all. Physical examples such as the carbon nanotube materials used to make the crazy-looking Vantablack coatings come pretty close. Read more and click the links at http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-discover-curved-space-magnifies-light-s-pulling-power.You didn't answer, how do you know which God is the real God because you believe in the bible, why? How do you know it was a God? Stating laws is not proof, you are making conclusions for no reason, cause and effect doesn't point to God in any way. Everything has a cause, ok, how do you know it was God the first cause? The real God is God. I know it because I can observe science and nature, and think... a thing you seem to not be able to do. |
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Astargath
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May 27, 2017, 11:27:02 AM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus?
The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.
A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even StrangerNew research has expanded on the discovery of a strange phenomenon called blackbody force, showing that the effect of radiation on particles surrounding massive objects can be magnified by the space that warps around them.
The find could affect how we model the formation of stars and planets, and even help us finally detect a theoretical form of radiation that allows black holes to evaporate.
In 2013, physicists announced radiation emitted from objects called 'blackbodies' could not only nudge small particles away, but tug them closer. What's more, for hot-enough objects with only a small amount of mass, the pushing force could be stronger than their gravitational pull.
If you've never come across the term, a blackbody is any opaque object that absorbs visible light, but doesn't reflect or transmit it.
Technically, blackbodies describe theoretically perfect objects that cannot reflect any light at all. Physical examples such as the carbon nanotube materials used to make the crazy-looking Vantablack coatings come pretty close. Read more and click the links at http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-discover-curved-space-magnifies-light-s-pulling-power.You didn't answer, how do you know which God is the real God because you believe in the bible, why? How do you know it was a God? Stating laws is not proof, you are making conclusions for no reason, cause and effect doesn't point to God in any way. Everything has a cause, ok, how do you know it was God the first cause? The real God is God. I know it because I can observe science and nature, and think... a thing you seem to not be able to do. I observe science and nature therefore God exists, seems legit but I still can't figure out how you figured out a God existed in the first place. I observe the nature and I think and the real God is the flying spaghetti monster. See I can do it too, does what I said prove anything? |
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May 27, 2017, 12:51:46 PM |
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No proof whatsoever, what you say in those links is pure speculation, none of it can be tested, give me an example of can we test what you say there? How do you know which God is the real God anyways? Is it the christian God or the muslim God? Is it Zeus?
The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.
A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even StrangerNew research has expanded on the discovery of a strange phenomenon called blackbody force, showing that the effect of radiation on particles surrounding massive objects can be magnified by the space that warps around them.
The find could affect how we model the formation of stars and planets, and even help us finally detect a theoretical form of radiation that allows black holes to evaporate.
In 2013, physicists announced radiation emitted from objects called 'blackbodies' could not only nudge small particles away, but tug them closer. What's more, for hot-enough objects with only a small amount of mass, the pushing force could be stronger than their gravitational pull.
If you've never come across the term, a blackbody is any opaque object that absorbs visible light, but doesn't reflect or transmit it.
Technically, blackbodies describe theoretically perfect objects that cannot reflect any light at all. Physical examples such as the carbon nanotube materials used to make the crazy-looking Vantablack coatings come pretty close. Read more and click the links at http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-discover-curved-space-magnifies-light-s-pulling-power.Welcome back folks to 'The proof that Badecker is a complete idiot'. Last time we observed the tremendous stupidity that lies in the body of Badecker, the mentally challenged apologist. Now, we are back with more from this creature that managed to live without a brain for such a long time. This is what he stated this time: 'The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.' We can observe how Badecker here uses the understanding of a freshly trained monkey regarding science. He basically thinks that a theory is a kind of a pointless, personal belief like the belief that God exists, for example. He also says that only scientific laws are facts, anything else is speculation. What he means by 'theory' is actually a hypothesis, since a theory is actually 'a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses'. So no, theories are not speculation. After that, Badecker posted a link about blackbodies as if it would somehow be relevant to the subject. But there's a saying nowadays: you can tell what kind of a person someone is by looking at the sources of his information. Have you seen badecker's source? Freedomspheonix Dumb people will always have dumb sources. Stay tuned folks, as we shall continue to bring proof of the retardation of Badecker, the apologist who lives without a brain. |
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May 27, 2017, 02:16:31 PM |
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God is not described perfectly by religion. Science is too weak to describe "Him" even as well as non-scientific religion.
The links contain scientific laws. They're used as they're stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation.
That is what Scientific theories are ...... speculations. A New And Unusual Force in The Universe Just Got Even Stranger.
Only god can describe "Himself". As people is god, then deduction is that god is anything that's missing in the evolution!
There is no such thing as non-scientific religion. All that is religion is non-scientific. As for this, it is an excuse that you can not get away with anymore nowadays. If God is not described well by religion, if science is too weak to describe him and only he could describe himself, than it is a lie. This, in fact, is the description of him. How could you know of it if nothing can ever actually describe it? How can you know it can not be described if nobody can actually describe him? You can not see him, can not prove him, can not even describe him. That is what sounds like a lie |
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May 27, 2017, 02:33:10 PM |
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okay, horaciom, let us start to explain it, me and you, we know that the word "god" exists
what that means? we have to find, regardless what science and religion say, but what we say
anyway, the science can prove it and religion can believe it, we have to describe and explain it
first when we use word god is: Oh My God = omg, we wonder, atone, adore, exclaim, revere, etc
"my" is personal god, i was surprised when i discovered it, i thought it is collective one ... lol
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May 27, 2017, 02:48:54 PM |
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"Scientific proof that God exists?"??. I don't think that really matters? Why is there a need for a scientific proof for the existence of God for you to believe in him? What's wrong with believing without a proof? I'm pretty sure it won't hurt you or do anything bad to your life or yourself as a person if you believe in God and heed his teachings. You have the freedom to choose anyway if you will believe and do what he teaches. Just remember one thing: God will never let you down and will lead you to doing evil things.
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May 27, 2017, 03:44:47 PM |
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"Scientific proof that God exists?"??. I don't think that really matters? Why is there a need for a scientific proof for the existence of God for you to believe in him? What's wrong with believing without a proof? I'm pretty sure it won't hurt you or do anything bad to your life or yourself as a person if you believe in God and heed his teachings. You have the freedom to choose anyway if you will believe and do what he teaches. Just remember one thing: God will never let you down and will lead you to doing evil things.
So it's ok to believe in God and follow his teachings, like killing people because they work on the Sabbath? You need solid proof of something to believe it, otherwise there is no point. If someone tells you, hey, if you jump this bridge you will teleport to another dimension, should I just believe him? Because why not, right? |
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May 27, 2017, 07:31:47 PM |
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"Scientific proof that God exists?"??. I don't think that really matters? Why is there a need for a scientific proof for the existence of God for you to believe in him? What's wrong with believing without a proof? I'm pretty sure it won't hurt you or do anything bad to your life or yourself as a person if you believe in God and heed his teachings. You have the freedom to choose anyway if you will believe and do what he teaches. Just remember one thing: God will never let you down and will lead you to doing evil things.
I personally have no problem with people believing, it's their choice and they are free to do it. However, most people do not choose it, but they are born into a place where they learn from a really young age about God, about the myth of the creation, they see people around believing in it, etc. That is not free will. I do think claiming the religious stories of creation, miracles and such as being the truth should not be allowed or at least should be rebutted every time and proved wrong, because it has absolutely no base of evidence. You can have faith if you really want to believe it is true, but that should never come close to a school, to young children, etc. Let them grow up researching, learning about biology, physics, mathematics, chemistry and if they want to believe after that in a God, tell them those stories and see what they choose. That being said, we reach to your question: Why is there a need for a scientific proof for the existence of God for you to believe in him? Because religious people, not all of them but some, want to claim that this is the truth, they want everyone to say 'yes, it is true' and of course science comes in contradiction and proves them wrong. In order to maintain their story up, those religious people turn to pseudo-science and try to prove God exists scientifically. And they fail every time, of course. |
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Here comes another part where we can clearly see the plain stupidity of Badecker. We know from last time that Badecker actually knows very little of science, in any domain. We saw him misuse the term 'theory', not understanding what scientific laws are and how they work together, we can also observe in his links some assumptions (everything in the universe is a machinery) which he also defines as laws, basically we see bad practices and definitions, which, by definition is called pseudoscience. He claims it's just the opposite of it because he believes those are fundamental laws. He then claims that if you put 'this law' together (he can't even pluralize) that proves that God exists. Of course, we'll never get to see any numbers, theories, calculations, observations, repeated experiments and all the stuff that will conclude into a theory because Badecker knows nothing of real science. What's funny about our beloved idiot is that he claims that those laws combined show us that the universe could not have existed without an entity that we know nothing of, that only exists in a religious science fiction collection of stories, that is one of the 3000 other creatures that are claimed to have created the universe, that has no definition at all, that is nowhere to be seen, observed, felt, tracked, etc. But we already knew Badecker is that stupid, didn't we? So in order to keep us entertained, he goes full retard again by saying that if I knew what I was talking about, I would refute the science instead of bringing religion into the picture. Notice two things: first, he's been proved to know little to nothing of science by making huge mistakes, yet he dares to tell other people that they do not understand his science. Of course we don't since it's dumb and irrational. Second thing, he actually accuses me of bringing religion into the picture, even though my post was an observation of his religious answer that was pretty idiotic. Again, folks, we can see the inconsistencies, the 'dumb as a rock' affirmations that our apologist, Badecker, makes. Stay smart boys, don't be a Badecker. Stay tuned, we'll most surely see more from our idiot and do more observation based on his sayings. After all, that is how you scientifically prove something, by observing the repeated process, in this case of Badeckers' stupidity. |
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Welcome back folks to 'The proof that Badecker is a complete idiot'. Last time we observed the tremendous stupidity that lies in the body of Badecker, the mentally challenged apologist. Now, we are back with more from this creature that managed to live without a brain for such a long time. This is what he stated this time: 'The links contain scientific laws^^^. They are used as they are stated as laws. Anything outside of scientific law is speculation. That is what Scientific theories are... speculation.' We can observe how Badecker here uses the understanding of a freshly trained monkey regarding science. He basically thinks that a theory is a kind of a pointless, personal belief like the belief that God exists, for example. He also says that only scientific laws are facts, anything else is speculation. What he means by 'theory' is actually a hypothesis, since a theory is actually 'a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses'. So no, theories are not speculation. After that, Badecker posted a link about blackbodies as if it would somehow be relevant to the subject. But there's a saying nowadays: you can tell what kind of a person someone is by looking at the sources of his information. Have you seen badecker's source? Freedomspheonix Dumb people will always have dumb sources. Stay tuned folks, as we shall continue to bring proof of the retardation of Badecker, the apologist who lives without a brain. HA HA HA HA HA Brilliant! |
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