Scientific proof that God exists?

[Vod]

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

[Astargath]

Too many maybes and ifs and no proof of anything. What is the point of beveling in any of it. There is one thing that is true, we are all going to die. Evidence suggests that dying is the end, there is no afterlife, no heaven, no anything, just death. Why waste your time believing in nonsense which deep down you know it's not true.

Maybe because it's not about believing in afterlife .

Actually all the evidence suggests that consciousness is cyclical and that survival of the personality after death is a real phenomenon with implications for spirituality.
See for yourself over 100 points of evidence in support of the survival hypothesis:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19301374#msg19301374

Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them.
Using prejudice to make unwarranted conclusions is unscientific!

A famous paper recently showed that the claimed results of most scientific studies are simply false:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
So why should we BLINDLY trust mainstream opinion of scientists? Stick to hard evidence and you will be fine. I have disclosed the evidence, so anyone who doubts it can debate the facts with me.
In my opinion, the scientists who reject survival are also wrong, but the brightest scientists like Wallace did find evidence and cocncluded that survival is real.
What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone.

Make sure you have read the important paper from Cunningham:
the content-source problem in modern mediumship research - Rivier University
and an explanation of the origin of the highly informative Phoenix Journals:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

When I said, evidence suggests that death is the end, I didn't base that on studies. There aren't really studies made for that. It's just what we know so far. Your body dies, your brain dies and your consciousness dies as well and there is nothing left. The ''soul'' hasn't been proved to exist so when you die, you die. Unless you can prove there is something more in our bodies, minds, etc there is no point in believing in after life.

I hope you are not saying that the delusional guy who wrote the phoenix journals is actually real. You guys believe in the stupidest shit just because you read books about it.

 

Like I mentioned already, some skeptics have chosen to simply ignore the evidence presented to them.
They are not able to rationally evaluate the idea that the personality survives death because they do not ever give an adequate response to the evidence. I brought up many examples of evidence for everyone in this thread to consider and study. For example I already proved that mind can move matter at a distance (telekinesis or TK) because the TK was recorded on video and confirmed on the EEG. This shows that mind is more powerful than is normally accepted, and Cunningham makes that same conclusion in his paper on mediumship.

You presented a study, which you yourself said shouldn't be trusted. That's not real evidence. Show the evidence that says our personality is a thing beyond our brain and I might believe you.

[qwik2learn]

Too many maybes and ifs and no proof of anything. What is the point of beveling in any of it. There is one thing that is true, we are all going to die. Evidence suggests that dying is the end, there is no afterlife, no heaven, no anything, just death. Why waste your time believing in nonsense which deep down you know it's not true.

Maybe because it's not about believing in afterlife .

Actually all the evidence suggests that consciousness is cyclical and that survival of the personality after death is a real phenomenon with implications for spirituality.
See for yourself over 100 points of evidence in support of the survival hypothesis:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19301374#msg19301374

Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them.
Using prejudice to make unwarranted conclusions is unscientific!

A famous paper recently showed that the claimed results of most scientific studies are simply false:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
So why should we BLINDLY trust mainstream opinion of scientists? Stick to hard evidence and you will be fine. I have disclosed the evidence, so anyone who doubts it can debate the facts with me.
In my opinion, the scientists who reject survival are also wrong, but the brightest scientists like Wallace did find evidence and cocncluded that survival is real.
What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone.

Make sure you have read the important paper from Cunningham:
the content-source problem in modern mediumship research - Rivier University
and an explanation of the origin of the highly informative Phoenix Journals:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

When I said, evidence suggests that death is the end, I didn't base that on studies. There aren't really studies made for that. It's just what we know so far. Your body dies, your brain dies and your consciousness dies as well and there is nothing left. The ''soul'' hasn't been proved to exist so when you die, you die. Unless you can prove there is something more in our bodies, minds, etc there is no point in believing in after life.

I hope you are not saying that the delusional guy who wrote the phoenix journals is actually real. You guys believe in the stupidest shit just because you read books about it.

 

Like I mentioned already, some skeptics have chosen to simply ignore the evidence presented to them.
They are not able to rationally evaluate the idea that the personality survives death because they do not ever give an adequate response to the evidence. I brought up many examples of evidence for everyone in this thread to consider and study. For example I already proved that mind can move matter at a distance (telekinesis or TK) because the TK was recorded on video and confirmed on the EEG. This shows that mind is more powerful than is normally accepted, and Cunningham makes that same conclusion in his paper on mediumship.

You presented a study, which you yourself said shouldn't be trusted. That's not real evidence. Show the evidence that says our personality is a thing beyond our brain and I might believe you.

I already pointed out about 100 points of evidence supporting the survival hypothesis, there was the chessmaster experiment by Eisenbeiss that was very strong and you could not show any evidence that it was invalid. Just like with Jane Roberts and Seth, the content of the experimental results can be used to validate the existence of a discarnate source personality.

[qwik2learn]

Materialism is a failure.

Nagel insists that we know some things to exist even if materialism omits or ignores or is oblivious to them . . . It doesn’t explain, for example, why the world exists at all, or how life arose from nonlife. Closer to home, it doesn’t plausibly explain the fundamental beliefs we rely on as we go about our everyday business: the truth of our subjective experience, our ability to reason, our capacity to recognize that some acts are virtuous and others aren’t. These failures, Nagel says, aren’t just temporary gaps in our knowledge, waiting to be filled in by new discoveries in science. On its own terms, materialism cannot account for brute facts. Brute facts are irreducible, and materialism, which operates by breaking things down to their physical components, stands useless before them. “There is little or no possibility,” he writes, “that these facts depend on nothing but the laws of physics.”

[Astargath]

Too many maybes and ifs and no proof of anything. What is the point of beveling in any of it. There is one thing that is true, we are all going to die. Evidence suggests that dying is the end, there is no afterlife, no heaven, no anything, just death. Why waste your time believing in nonsense which deep down you know it's not true.

Maybe because it's not about believing in afterlife .

Actually all the evidence suggests that consciousness is cyclical and that survival of the personality after death is a real phenomenon with implications for spirituality.
See for yourself over 100 points of evidence in support of the survival hypothesis:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19301374#msg19301374

Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them.
Using prejudice to make unwarranted conclusions is unscientific!

A famous paper recently showed that the claimed results of most scientific studies are simply false:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
So why should we BLINDLY trust mainstream opinion of scientists? Stick to hard evidence and you will be fine. I have disclosed the evidence, so anyone who doubts it can debate the facts with me.
In my opinion, the scientists who reject survival are also wrong, but the brightest scientists like Wallace did find evidence and cocncluded that survival is real.
What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone.

Make sure you have read the important paper from Cunningham:
the content-source problem in modern mediumship research - Rivier University
and an explanation of the origin of the highly informative Phoenix Journals:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

When I said, evidence suggests that death is the end, I didn't base that on studies. There aren't really studies made for that. It's just what we know so far. Your body dies, your brain dies and your consciousness dies as well and there is nothing left. The ''soul'' hasn't been proved to exist so when you die, you die. Unless you can prove there is something more in our bodies, minds, etc there is no point in believing in after life.

I hope you are not saying that the delusional guy who wrote the phoenix journals is actually real. You guys believe in the stupidest shit just because you read books about it.

 

Like I mentioned already, some skeptics have chosen to simply ignore the evidence presented to them.
They are not able to rationally evaluate the idea that the personality survives death because they do not ever give an adequate response to the evidence. I brought up many examples of evidence for everyone in this thread to consider and study. For example I already proved that mind can move matter at a distance (telekinesis or TK) because the TK was recorded on video and confirmed on the EEG. This shows that mind is more powerful than is normally accepted, and Cunningham makes that same conclusion in his paper on mediumship.

You presented a study, which you yourself said shouldn't be trusted. That's not real evidence. Show the evidence that says our personality is a thing beyond our brain and I might believe you.

I already pointed out about 100 points of evidence supporting the survival hypothesis, there was the chessmaster experiment by Eisenbeiss that was very strong and you could not show any evidence that it was invalid. Just like with Jane Roberts and Seth, the content of the experimental results can be used to validate the existence of a discarnate source personality.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories'' which all have insane amount of problems and after all are just stories: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22550

I can make up a ton of stories to prove ghosts, I guess you would believe me.

[viiriinika]

Scientists take a look at the sun and what we can learn from it. Its majesty and marvel couldn't have possibly come from some big bang, but from the hand of an Intelligent Designer. From the comments I feel the need to address these:

*The Bible doesn't teach that the earth is flat. Isaiah 40:22 says that God sits above the 'circle' of the earth. That's a round planet right there.

*Jesus is God, not just a man, and is worthy of worship. The statement "why do you call me good, no one is good but God" is not a denial of His deity, because elsewhere He says He is the 'Good' Shepherd, and I'm a witness that He indeed is! Daniel 7:14 clarify without doubt that the Messiah is worth of glory.

*Jesus Christ is the only way to receive forgiveness for our sins. His message is one of love, love and then some more love. Receive His love today!

Peace to you all!

Here is more of this subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b9PssoJfLg

[Vod]

*The Bible doesn't teach that the earth is flat. Isaiah 40:22 says that God sits above the 'circle' of the earth. That's a round planet right there.

Revelation 7:1 - After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth

The bible isn't contradicting itself as usual, is it?

[Astargath]

*The Bible doesn't teach that the earth is flat. Isaiah 40:22 says that God sits above the 'circle' of the earth. That's a round planet right there.

Revelation 7:1 - After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth

The bible isn't contradicting itself as usual, is it?

And circle of the earth can clearly be a flat earth because the flat earth would be a circle.

[compak_comunity]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

[BADecker]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

[Przemax]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mountain of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

[Astargath]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

[Przemax]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

I don't know what do you mean by not having all vitamins we need. That is called eating. And the bacterias we have in our bowels is the result of mutual benefits between us and the bacterias. It is possible to not have the very smelly poop. It is all doable, the problem is in us. We can screw our gut health all up and still not die.

[Astargath]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

Our Achy Knees. Again, an aftereffect of bipedalism. We have to distribute all our weight on just two limbs, which often leads to aches and pains. You can also add achy, or arthritic hips, to this list.
The Overly Complicated Human Foot. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: "You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts." Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. "The foot was modified to remain rigid," said DeSilva. "A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones." But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago.

A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their step—and their foot has only two toes that aid in running. "Why can't I have a foot like that?"

Humans have several sinuses — air-filled cavities that help with drainage of mucus and fluid. But our maxillary sinuses, located on our cheekbone, drain upwards. This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

This is the perfect creation of god providing humans with just one set of teeth for our entire adult lives. Once we hit 35, our teeth start to go.

Many of our cognitive biases — annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions — are a consequence of our limited intelligence and predisposed tendencies. Examples include the confirmation bias (we love to agree with people who agree with us), the gambler's fallacy (the tremendous weight we tend to put on previous events that aren't causal factors), our tendency to neglect or misjudge probability, and the status-quo bias (we often make choices that guarantee that things remain the same). Some of these are adaptive traits, but others are simply cognitive deficiencies.

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And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth.

OK, but neither is anyone born a theist, that idea is gained usually through indoctrination and sometimes through self-reflection. It is indoctrination that causes people to believe that the Bible is unadulterated; as shown on the evilbible site, the facts do not fit your claim.

They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

Patient and stable except for the story of Isaac? Looks to me like YHWH needs to learn some boundaries.

[Przemax]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

Our Achy Knees. Again, an aftereffect of bipedalism. We have to distribute all our weight on just two limbs, which often leads to aches and pains. You can also add achy, or arthritic hips, to this list.
The Overly Complicated Human Foot. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: "You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts." Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. "The foot was modified to remain rigid," said DeSilva. "A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones." But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago.

A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their step—and their foot has only two toes that aid in running. "Why can't I have a foot like that?"

Humans have several sinuses — air-filled cavities that help with drainage of mucus and fluid. But our maxillary sinuses, located on our cheekbone, drain upwards. This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

This is the perfect creation of god providing humans with just one set of teeth for our entire adult lives. Once we hit 35, our teeth start to go.

Many of our cognitive biases — annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions — are a consequence of our limited intelligence and predisposed tendencies. Examples include the confirmation bias (we love to agree with people who agree with us), the gambler's fallacy (the tremendous weight we tend to put on previous events that aren't causal factors), our tendency to neglect or misjudge probability, and the status-quo bias (we often make choices that guarantee that things remain the same). Some of these are adaptive traits, but others are simply cognitive deficiencies.

Wow. I really didn't knew that Ostriches can have so much fat storage that is very handy in humans. It stores toxins and is useful to fuel the brain at times of fasting. I didn't knew that ostriches uses their hands to grab stuff and that they can have straight possition of the body to use their hands.

What do you know.... I suggest for that "scientists" to remove their useless bones in the feet. Yeah that would be smart.

Yes we are many times retarded and nonintelligent as this thread proves.

OK, but neither is anyone born a theist, that idea is gained usually through indoctrination and sometimes through self-reflection. It is indoctrination that causes people to believe that the Bible is unadulterated; as shown on the evilbible site, the facts do not fit your claim.

Bible was adultered. Yeah, but God wants to leave it that way, as a proof of crime against him. But those were just slight details as the bible was tried to be destroyed many many many times. If the bible was not destroyed that means it was not adultered much as well. Mainly the weird translations are the main concerns here. And people like you that interpret it ver very childlishly.

[qwik2learn]

Too many maybes and ifs and no proof of anything. What is the point of beveling in any of it. There is one thing that is true, we are all going to die. Evidence suggests that dying is the end, there is no afterlife, no heaven, no anything, just death. Why waste your time believing in nonsense which deep down you know it's not true.

Maybe because it's not about believing in afterlife .

Actually all the evidence suggests that consciousness is cyclical and that survival of the personality after death is a real phenomenon with implications for spirituality.
See for yourself over 100 points of evidence in support of the survival hypothesis:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19301374#msg19301374

Skeptics have been known to ignore the evidence presented to them.
Using prejudice to make unwarranted conclusions is unscientific!

A famous paper recently showed that the claimed results of most scientific studies are simply false:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
So why should we BLINDLY trust mainstream opinion of scientists? Stick to hard evidence and you will be fine. I have disclosed the evidence, so anyone who doubts it can debate the facts with me.
In my opinion, the scientists who reject survival are also wrong, but the brightest scientists like Wallace did find evidence and cocncluded that survival is real.
What if you found written content that indicates a divine source, would you discard any such books if they are not in the mainstream? Why not consider the contents of the Phoenix Journals as divine communication meant to instruct mankind? In my opinion the content of this material explains Bible teaching much better than Bible alone.

Make sure you have read the important paper from Cunningham:
the content-source problem in modern mediumship research - Rivier University
and an explanation of the origin of the highly informative Phoenix Journals:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

When I said, evidence suggests that death is the end, I didn't base that on studies. There aren't really studies made for that. It's just what we know so far. Your body dies, your brain dies and your consciousness dies as well and there is nothing left. The ''soul'' hasn't been proved to exist so when you die, you die. Unless you can prove there is something more in our bodies, minds, etc there is no point in believing in after life.

I hope you are not saying that the delusional guy who wrote the phoenix journals is actually real. You guys believe in the stupidest shit just because you read books about it.

 

Like I mentioned already, some skeptics have chosen to simply ignore the evidence presented to them.
They are not able to rationally evaluate the idea that the personality survives death because they do not ever give an adequate response to the evidence. I brought up many examples of evidence for everyone in this thread to consider and study. For example I already proved that mind can move matter at a distance (telekinesis or TK) because the TK was recorded on video and confirmed on the EEG. This shows that mind is more powerful than is normally accepted, and Cunningham makes that same conclusion in his paper on mediumship.

You presented a study, which you yourself said shouldn't be trusted. That's not real evidence. Show the evidence that says our personality is a thing beyond our brain and I might believe you.

I already pointed out about 100 points of evidence supporting the survival hypothesis, there was the chessmaster experiment by Eisenbeiss that was very strong and you could not show any evidence that it was invalid. Just like with Jane Roberts and Seth, the content of the experimental results can be used to validate the existence of a discarnate source personality.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories'' which all have insane amount of problems and after all are just stories: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22550

I can make up a ton of stories to prove ghosts, I guess you would believe me.

The evidence that shows that these are made up stories is very weak. Just posting a link with weak reasoning does not absolve you of providing evidence for your claim. I already replied to your link earlier in the thread. You think that debunking consists of ridiculing the medium or the researcher so that is why you do not post any evidence for your claim.

[Astargath]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

Our Achy Knees. Again, an aftereffect of bipedalism. We have to distribute all our weight on just two limbs, which often leads to aches and pains. You can also add achy, or arthritic hips, to this list.
The Overly Complicated Human Foot. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: "You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts." Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. "The foot was modified to remain rigid," said DeSilva. "A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones." But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago.

A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their step—and their foot has only two toes that aid in running. "Why can't I have a foot like that?"

Humans have several sinuses — air-filled cavities that help with drainage of mucus and fluid. But our maxillary sinuses, located on our cheekbone, drain upwards. This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

This is the perfect creation of god providing humans with just one set of teeth for our entire adult lives. Once we hit 35, our teeth start to go.

Many of our cognitive biases — annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions — are a consequence of our limited intelligence and predisposed tendencies. Examples include the confirmation bias (we love to agree with people who agree with us), the gambler's fallacy (the tremendous weight we tend to put on previous events that aren't causal factors), our tendency to neglect or misjudge probability, and the status-quo bias (we often make choices that guarantee that things remain the same). Some of these are adaptive traits, but others are simply cognitive deficiencies.

Wow. I really didn't knew that Ostriches can have so much fat storage that is very handy in humans. It stores toxins and is useful to fuel the brain at times of fasting. I didn't knew that ostriches uses their hands to grab stuff and that they can have straight possition of the body to use their hands.

What do you know.... I suggest for that "scientists" to remove their useless bones in the feet. Yeah that would be smart.

Yes we are many times retarded and nonintelligent as this thread proves.

OK, but neither is anyone born a theist, that idea is gained usually through indoctrination and sometimes through self-reflection. It is indoctrination that causes people to believe that the Bible is unadulterated; as shown on the evilbible site, the facts do not fit your claim.

Bible was adultered. Yeah, but God wants to leave it that way, as a proof of crime against him. But those were just slight details as the bible was tried to be destroyed many many many times. If the bible was not destroyed that means it was not adultered much as well. Mainly the weird translations are the main concerns here. And people like you that interpret it ver very childlishly.

?? I don't know what you mean. They just said the human foot is far from perfect. Just like so many other things. Are you that delusional to not acknowledge that? I guess you think the human body is perfect or something.

[Przemax]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

Our Achy Knees. Again, an aftereffect of bipedalism. We have to distribute all our weight on just two limbs, which often leads to aches and pains. You can also add achy, or arthritic hips, to this list.
The Overly Complicated Human Foot. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: "You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts." Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. "The foot was modified to remain rigid," said DeSilva. "A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones." But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago.

A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their step—and their foot has only two toes that aid in running. "Why can't I have a foot like that?"

Humans have several sinuses — air-filled cavities that help with drainage of mucus and fluid. But our maxillary sinuses, located on our cheekbone, drain upwards. This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

This is the perfect creation of god providing humans with just one set of teeth for our entire adult lives. Once we hit 35, our teeth start to go.

Many of our cognitive biases — annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions — are a consequence of our limited intelligence and predisposed tendencies. Examples include the confirmation bias (we love to agree with people who agree with us), the gambler's fallacy (the tremendous weight we tend to put on previous events that aren't causal factors), our tendency to neglect or misjudge probability, and the status-quo bias (we often make choices that guarantee that things remain the same). Some of these are adaptive traits, but others are simply cognitive deficiencies.

Wow. I really didn't knew that Ostriches can have so much fat storage that is very handy in humans. It stores toxins and is useful to fuel the brain at times of fasting. I didn't knew that ostriches uses their hands to grab stuff and that they can have straight possition of the body to use their hands.

What do you know.... I suggest for that "scientists" to remove their useless bones in the feet. Yeah that would be smart.

Yes we are many times retarded and nonintelligent as this thread proves.

OK, but neither is anyone born a theist, that idea is gained usually through indoctrination and sometimes through self-reflection. It is indoctrination that causes people to believe that the Bible is unadulterated; as shown on the evilbible site, the facts do not fit your claim.

Bible was adultered. Yeah, but God wants to leave it that way, as a proof of crime against him. But those were just slight details as the bible was tried to be destroyed many many many times. If the bible was not destroyed that means it was not adultered much as well. Mainly the weird translations are the main concerns here. And people like you that interpret it ver very childlishly.

?? I don't know what you mean. They just said the human foot is far from perfect. Just like so many other things. Are you that delusional to not acknowledge that? I guess you think the human body is perfect or something.

It is perfect because they do not take into account that humans are storing a looooot of fat and still remain straight up. Ostriches does not do that. You cannot compare one animal that is bipedal and adjust its system design to another system that has different feautures. Fat ostriches does not perform well. Fat humans perform very well.

Ostriches are not even a straightened up. They have feathers that helps them in their motorics etc etc.

This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

Infections are good, especially those mild. They build up our immune system and give itself practice. WIthout practice our immune system detoriate as the law of atrophy states - The unused organs or muscles disapear slowly.

[Astargath]

yes I totally agree with the above article but the question becomes more clear who among the early humans with the prophet adam created on earth?

Nobody. Only Adam made first. Then God took a rib of Adam and made Eve. Filled up ribcage with flesh.

Eve probably looked like a small (rib-size) Adam with curves and long hair.

Big people come from Adam. Small people come from Eve.

Mastery of sarcasm there.

Materialism is a failure.

Yay. You learn quick2learn. Good. Good.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

That joke does not make sense. If you would know anything at all you would know that Jesus said it is good to not agree on everything within the body of Christ. If anyone acts as if he think its bad not agree on everything, he should reconcile if he belongs to the body of Christ.

Maybe you just have too much pride to admit that YHWH has ordered a ritual of child sacrifice in the Bible?

Every belief has it's rite of passage. He could not give the rites of passage to Izaak by baptising him because the passover of Jews from Egypt had not happened. The walk off the waters had not any meaning.

Many rites of passage are waaaaaaaay more humiliating, brutal, and such. I bet you have some in your new age belief, that you are not yet aware of. Maybe you have not yet been allowed to have rites of passage. I have heard that in masonic temples people literally are killed by chocking and being reanimated. That is cruel. God had not done anything like that.

It has more meaning of going out of the world that kills babies to the world of mercy by the rites of passage. God have made us like so. The other rites of passage that are not of God are of the Satan like Jesus is saying about the seed.

Maybe you have too much pride to see that ritual child sacrifice is inexcusable in any circumstances.

That is why God have taken Abraham out of it by the rites of the passage. It is more important what you leave behind in the rites of passage. For example Abraham had left behind human traditions of cruelty towards children. Masons are leaving self reliance into group thinking. etc etc.

Perhaps you criticize the PJs with empty rhetoric because you do not wish to comprehend them.

No. I criticize it with merits. A lot of merits actually, you just fail to see it.  

Understanding the Bible is not the same as understanding the human condition because no human was born with a Bible in his hand, nor was any human born with a belief in YHWH, all humans are born atheists and find GOD only through their moral compass:

Understanding the Bible is understanding that human being is sinful and what he might not percieve as evil he might have seen by the gift of wisdom. You should pray for this gift with your prayers, if you do them.

And no. No people are born atheist. It is a myth. Children are born extremely faithful but to their parents, not any diety. And children at some age are extremely evil by their own. They do everything that they can not do. You would not call children good if you would have one. Believe me. Not that they deserve punishment. They do not. They just need a emotionaly stable father to show the children their boundaries, just like our father in heaven is the most patient, stable and unchanging father.

You pointed out a few ''convincing stories''

Astargath. Can I have one of my stories to the mount of stories of God and science?

Ok. I will. There were studies that was measuring IQ of of brothers according wheter they had been born first or not.
Those studies had shown that people that were born first had a statistical superiority in their IQ. But what was the most shocking and interesting was another observation.

When the oldest brother died the second brother was becoming the first one his iq were becoming higher to reflect that he is the first born now.

That is why there is so much talking about the first born this or first born that. It is a title and a gift from God to protect your younger siblings. God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4203966/First-born-children-really-smarter-says-new-study.html

We're forced to use the same anatomical structure for both ingestion and respiration. But when obstructed, airflow is blocked, which can lead to choking, and in some cases, death. Also, because we can't make all the vitamins we need, we carry a host of deadly bacteria in our bowels, which produce them for us. But when this process is disrupted, like a hole in the intestine, it can flare into peritonitis. The urinary tract in males passes through — rather than being routed around — the prostate gland, which can swell and block urinary function.
The Close Proximity of our Genitals to our Rectum. Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras — especially in women — this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections. Speaking of which, human females have an unreasonably narrow birth canal, resulting in significantly increased risks to both mother and child during birth.

God proves again that he knows his creation very well.

Is this not wonderful that most of us does know what is hygiene and good manners of not eating while talking? That is why we have brains, and the commandment to honor the parents that teach us not to die by chocking on a precell.

If not all that, we would have probably talk, eat, have sex (maybe not shit because that would be smelly, but maybe that as well) at the same time.

Our Achy Knees. Again, an aftereffect of bipedalism. We have to distribute all our weight on just two limbs, which often leads to aches and pains. You can also add achy, or arthritic hips, to this list.
The Overly Complicated Human Foot. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: "You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts." Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. "The foot was modified to remain rigid," said DeSilva. "A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones." But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago.

A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their step—and their foot has only two toes that aid in running. "Why can't I have a foot like that?"

Humans have several sinuses — air-filled cavities that help with drainage of mucus and fluid. But our maxillary sinuses, located on our cheekbone, drain upwards. This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

This is the perfect creation of god providing humans with just one set of teeth for our entire adult lives. Once we hit 35, our teeth start to go.

Many of our cognitive biases — annoying glitches in our thinking that cause us to make questionable decisions and reach erroneous conclusions — are a consequence of our limited intelligence and predisposed tendencies. Examples include the confirmation bias (we love to agree with people who agree with us), the gambler's fallacy (the tremendous weight we tend to put on previous events that aren't causal factors), our tendency to neglect or misjudge probability, and the status-quo bias (we often make choices that guarantee that things remain the same). Some of these are adaptive traits, but others are simply cognitive deficiencies.

Wow. I really didn't knew that Ostriches can have so much fat storage that is very handy in humans. It stores toxins and is useful to fuel the brain at times of fasting. I didn't knew that ostriches uses their hands to grab stuff and that they can have straight possition of the body to use their hands.

What do you know.... I suggest for that "scientists" to remove their useless bones in the feet. Yeah that would be smart.

Yes we are many times retarded and nonintelligent as this thread proves.

OK, but neither is anyone born a theist, that idea is gained usually through indoctrination and sometimes through self-reflection. It is indoctrination that causes people to believe that the Bible is unadulterated; as shown on the evilbible site, the facts do not fit your claim.

Bible was adultered. Yeah, but God wants to leave it that way, as a proof of crime against him. But those were just slight details as the bible was tried to be destroyed many many many times. If the bible was not destroyed that means it was not adultered much as well. Mainly the weird translations are the main concerns here. And people like you that interpret it ver very childlishly.

?? I don't know what you mean. They just said the human foot is far from perfect. Just like so many other things. Are you that delusional to not acknowledge that? I guess you think the human body is perfect or something.

It is perfect because they do not take into account that humans are storing a looooot of fat and still remain straight up. Ostriches does not do that. You cannot compare one animal that is bipedal and adjust its system design to another system that has different feautures. Fat ostriches does not perform well. Fat humans perform very well.

Ostriches are not even a straightened up. They have feathers that helps them in their motorics etc etc.

This often leads to the build-up of fluids and mucus, which can cause an infection.

Infections are good, especially those mild. They build up our immune system and give itself practice. WIthout practice our immune system detoriate as the law of atrophy states - The unused organs or muscles disapear slowly.

Alright bro, you made it clear that you are indeed delusional. Not much more to say really. ''Infections are good'' You understand that god could have made us immune to infections in the first place right? Nah you don't because your delusion does not let you see clear.