Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


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[qwik2learn]

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.

Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.

Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,

It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.

I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.

[Creepyman200876]

NO scientific proof yet... but in the Bible there is...

[qwik2learn]

NO scientific proof yet... but in the Bible there is...

The NT was written and assembled to fulfill Paul's Roman agenda, not Jesus' Jewish one.

http://www.viewzone.com/ventriloquest.html

I recommend using critical thinking when studying the Bible, even the experts agree that there is little that we know for sure about the events in the NT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of_the_Gospels

[r1a2y3m4]

There are many proofs that god exist. There is this one theory that I read recently it says that scientists discover that the human race came from one Male and one common female. The male is nicknamed Y chromosome Adam and the female is mitochondrion Eve. This theory challenges Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. It says it is very unlikely that human evolved from apes because there is no evidence of the creature between human and apes and scientists detected that here has no significant change in the human structure for the last 200,000 years,

[Vod]

There are many proofs that god exist.

If would be nice if you brainwashed fools could give us a single proof.

Then the entire world would believe in your god...

[N-gen]

how scientist proof the existance of god? cauuse I didnt really heard that before

[notbatman]

The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

[Pekelangito]

you cant prove that there is god. Its better to waste time proving something else rather than chasing someone who has no existence

[Vod]

The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

You don't need permission from anyone to travel south.  Try it.  There is no imaginary navy blocking you. 

[rudel777]

 

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19455088#msg19455088

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19350390#msg19350390
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19357376#msg19357376

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19355289#msg19355289

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19666684#msg19666684

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

this is what im saying mr BADecker dont stop on one sentence only read the whole comment to understand my friend

[notbatman]

The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

You don't need permission from anyone to travel south.  Try it.  There is no imaginary navy blocking you. 

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.

[BADecker]

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19455088#msg19455088

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19350390#msg19350390
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19357376#msg19357376

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19355289#msg19355289

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg19666684#msg19666684

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

this is what im saying mr BADecker dont stop on one sentence only read the whole comment to understand my friend

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxD04LWW10

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsfyba4sJA

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zpd9FfiMZg

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqKblsrNCOo

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfGKu7fmXE

[shreya_g]

Surely god exists...you can search all around youtube and can found proof of many hindu gods

[Astargath]

The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

You don't need permission from anyone to travel south.  Try it.  There is no imaginary navy blocking you. 

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.

The antarctic treaty system doesn't say that you can't. Show me the paragraph where it says that, you can't even read properly, mongoloid.

[Astargath]

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.

Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.

Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,

It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.

I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

[Vod]

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.

Yet another lie.   

[qwik2learn]

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

Prove it. Prove that parapsychological research is explained better by theories not involving Orch OR and survival. Since the tests can be replicated it should be easy to prove that the mind cannot influence matter, as you claim.

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

Not true, you are making shit up again. Orch OR is a theory, it makes testable predictions, thus it is a theory. While mainstream theories assert that consciousness emerges as the complexity of the computations performed by cerebral neurons increases, Orch-OR posits that consciousness is based on non-computable quantum processing performed by qubits formed collectively on cellular microtubules.

Survival is a hypothesis, it is useful in explaining the evidence of parapsychology, the two are related and have strong explanatory power. The same cannot be said for mainstream materialist theories. I posted my evidence, so where is yours? You cannot claim that your preferred theory is better without citing evidence for it.

A review of Orch OR theory:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
Connecting QM to the survival of the personality and other parapsychological research:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a22
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a14
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a23
Tests that you refuse to address or even look at, yet you claim to have a better theory? Prove it!
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

[BADecker]

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.

Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.

Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,

It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.

I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

Yes, but, the ideas that God DOESN'T exist are way less viable than the ideas that He DOES exist.

[Choosewise]

Deep discussion, very refreshing from the usual off topic drivel