Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

I can accept that you and others don't want to understand the design that exists in all things.

If you can provide evidence I will sure understand it, just claiming that other things are designed because they are it's not an argument.

If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

[BADecker]

If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

You shouldn't provide evidence for things not designed... for at least 2 reasons:
1. There aren't any, so you can't;
2. You should be spending all your time changing your heart to believe in God so that you can be saved.

All the things that mankind designs operate through the things of nature. Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs. Either mankind desing including the nature he uses, or no design, not even of mankind.

Why? Because in mankind design, he uses nature. It's design or it isn't, both mankind and nature, because they are essentially the same at their core.

[Astargath]

If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

You shouldn't provide evidence for things not designed... for at least 2 reasons:
1. There aren't any, so you can't;
2. You should be spending all your time changing your heart to believe in God so that you can be saved.

All the things that mankind designs operate through the things of nature. Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs. Either mankind desing including the nature he uses, or no design, not even of mankind.

Why? Because in mankind design, he uses nature. It's design or it isn't, both mankind and nature, because they are essentially the same at their core.

''Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs'' What are these arguments lmao, you are desperate. If things weren't designed mankind couldn't design anything? Why, how does that work lol. A computer or a spoon aren't designed copying nature. Stop with this stupid shit.

[BADecker]

If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

You shouldn't provide evidence for things not designed... for at least 2 reasons:
1. There aren't any, so you can't;
2. You should be spending all your time changing your heart to believe in God so that you can be saved.

All the things that mankind designs operate through the things of nature. Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs. Either mankind desing including the nature he uses, or no design, not even of mankind.

Why? Because in mankind design, he uses nature. It's design or it isn't, both mankind and nature, because they are essentially the same at their core.

''Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs'' What are these arguments lmao, you are desperate. If things weren't designed mankind couldn't design anything? Why, how does that work lol. A computer or a spoon aren't designed copying nature. Stop with this stupid shit.

Some people use the phrase "connect the dots." You, it seems, can't even connect two dots. Let's try again, with the spoon you mentioned.

Somebody designs the spoon. He doesn't only design the idea of a spoon. He designs an actual spoon.

What is the spoon made out of? Atoms and molecules. They are part of the design. If they weren't, there would be no spoon or design.

Atoms and molecules are part of design. We can see it in the spoon.

Are these atoms or molecules and different than the atoms and molecules of the same type that are not in the spoon? No. They are all the same; they are all design.

The spoon is a silver spoon. It is made of silver. Silver is of design. The silver spoon designer has proven it by designing the spoon.

[Dnder]

BADecker I just love how you ignored the statement about how you say humanity popped into existance according to our argument (which according to you is impossible) then you ignore the questions of "so god just popped into existence?" as if the statement was never made. Good show my boy.

[BADecker]

BADecker I just love how you ignored the statement about how you say humanity popped into existance according to our argument (which according to you is impossible) then you ignore the questions of "so god just popped into existence?" as if the statement was never made. Good show my boy.

Why, thank you. I enjoy it when I can cause someone to have love. But really. This is the scientific proof for the existence of God thread. So, do you have any proof that can stand against the combined cause and effect and entropy and complexity? Or against the machine nature of the universe, and machines have makers? But if you have more proof for the existence of God, I think we would all love to read it. Show it to us so that you create love in us, like I created love in you (as you said above).

[mockcooleat]

Scrolls that was found that proves that the bible is true is a scientific proof. Why? Science wants a tangible proof and that scroll is tangible and proves that all the words on the bible that God shared is true.

[Astargath]

If you can provide evidence for lack of design, I will surely understand it. Just claiming that things are not designed because they simply are not, is not an argument.

It's always like that for you, isn't it. Why should I provide evidence for things that are not designed? You are assuming that everything is designed for no reason, I'm not the one trying to prove god you are.

You shouldn't provide evidence for things not designed... for at least 2 reasons:
1. There aren't any, so you can't;
2. You should be spending all your time changing your heart to believe in God so that you can be saved.

All the things that mankind designs operate through the things of nature. Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs. Either mankind desing including the nature he uses, or no design, not even of mankind.

Why? Because in mankind design, he uses nature. It's design or it isn't, both mankind and nature, because they are essentially the same at their core.

''Everything is designed. If it weren't, mankind couldn't design anything, because he uses nature in his designs'' What are these arguments lmao, you are desperate. If things weren't designed mankind couldn't design anything? Why, how does that work lol. A computer or a spoon aren't designed copying nature. Stop with this stupid shit.

Some people use the phrase "connect the dots." You, it seems, can't even connect two dots. Let's try again, with the spoon you mentioned.

Somebody designs the spoon. He doesn't only design the idea of a spoon. He designs an actual spoon.

What is the spoon made out of? Atoms and molecules. They are part of the design. If they weren't, there would be no spoon or design.

Atoms and molecules are part of design. We can see it in the spoon.

Are these atoms or molecules and different than the atoms and molecules of the same type that are not in the spoon? No. They are all the same; they are all design.

The spoon is a silver spoon. It is made of silver. Silver is of design. The silver spoon designer has proven it by designing the spoon.

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.

[BADecker]

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.

Actually, it strikes at the root of the question.

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question. So the question has to do with the things that people know, not the fact of design or no design. However...

The general consensus among scientists (which is changing, btw) has been that there is only a material make-up in people. Science believes that their is no such thing as the soul and spirit, and that emotion is essentially an imaginary abstraction in the material/biological operation.

If this were the case, pure cause and effect would have to rule in everything. This would mean that opinions and/or scientific proof about the design question would have had to have been programmed in by Whoever/Whatever did the C&E programming. Why? Because we know of no complexity as great as opposed thinking like this that comes about by anything that seems random. Rather, randomness (standard random as opposed to pure random) leads to mediocrity. Prove it to yourself by flipping a coin a thousand times. The result will be nearly an equal number of heads flips as tails.

The whole idea of complexity as it exists, contradicts the mediocrity of standard random. And C&E in everything, without even a shred of evidence of pure random, has as its only result, a Programmer... in the face of the kind of complexity that exists. And a programmer shows that somewhere back in the beginning of the programming, there was the existence of Pure random, and such things as soul and spirit.

[QuestionAuthority]

You got that all wrong butterbean, the machine nature of the universe is the proof that goof god doesn’t exist.

The religious writings all over the world, in every language and with all different gods show the god is a random almost chaotic psychopath. He gets angry at the drop of a hat like a bipolar loon and decides to kill everyone on the planet with a flood. Time and time again his chaotic loony behavior manifests itself as a random mean-cruel master.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

You have it all wrong! Like as intelligent designers design and build the machines that people make, even so the maker of machine universe is far beyond the intelligence of man, like the machine universe is far beyond the machines of man.

Sounds like either:
1. you haven't studied the religious writings all over the earth;
2. you are misrepresenting them.

If you had been sincere, and had done the studies, you would find that the God of the Bible has made a miracle in the Bible and the nation of Israel.

You misunderstand the nature of the universe. Originally, the universe operated like a big perpetual motion machine. Mankind sinned, which broke up the perpetual motion activity of the universe. If God, Himself, in the form of Jesus, had not upheld the universe at great cost to Himself, it all would have been destroyed way back in the Beginning times, and mankind right along with it. That doesn't sound like a deranged psychopath to me.

You simply misunderstand. The problem is, you like yourself that way.

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us in a flood? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

[42XDA]

yes god exist

[Astargath]

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.

Actually, it strikes at the root of the question.

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question. So the question has to do with the things that people know, not the fact of design or no design. However...

The general consensus among scientists (which is changing, btw) has been that there is only a material make-up in people. Science believes that their is no such thing as the soul and spirit, and that emotion is essentially an imaginary abstraction in the material/biological operation.

If this were the case, pure cause and effect would have to rule in everything. This would mean that opinions and/or scientific proof about the design question would have had to have been programmed in by Whoever/Whatever did the C&E programming. Why? Because we know of no complexity as great as opposed thinking like this that comes about by anything that seems random. Rather, randomness (standard random as opposed to pure random) leads to mediocrity. Prove it to yourself by flipping a coin a thousand times. The result will be nearly an equal number of heads flips as tails.

The whole idea of complexity as it exists, contradicts the mediocrity of standard random. And C&E in everything, without even a shred of evidence of pure random, has as its only result, a Programmer... in the face of the kind of complexity that exists. And a programmer shows that somewhere back in the beginning of the programming, there was the existence of Pure random, and such things as soul and spirit.

The problem is that you are trying to show why you think everything is designed, so far you haven't done that. Nothing indicates nature is designed, we know complexity can arise from simple rules.

[BADecker]

If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us in a flood? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

The evidence of your own words shows that you are too ignorant to understand:
1. God's love, or;
2. The explanations that have been posted throughout this thread already.

So, it would be a complete waste of time to answer again.

[Vod]

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question.

We tried that in the dark ages, remember?

Constant warfare, no research - murdering people for using their mind - basically all of society stood still for hundreds of years.

The only way another period of ignorance can start is if mankind gets wiped back to the stone age by an irreversible EMP.

[givememoresiana]

If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

[xSplit]

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question.

Constant warfare, no research - murdering people for using their mind

Which is exactly what is still happening in most of the world and this forum too bans people for using their mind

[Siminarota]

science has not proven this.

[BADecker]

science has not proven this.

Scientists might not have talked about proving the existence of God, but they have proven Him in the things that they do:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[BADecker]

If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

They weren't all goat herders. Many of them were well educated. This is evident by the fact that only a few people had the knowledge of writing during much of the Bible times.

God told them what to write, Spirit to spirit.

[Vod]

If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

Interesting fact about the bible... they didn't start writing it until 95AD.

So for four to five generations, no one wrote a thing about your god.  Then suddenly, everyone remembered.

How stupid do you have to be to believe this stuff?