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[UfoRia]

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The winner was of course decided by the next block (00003007), but the problem is: why was FUPool not working on our block?

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see) Edit: but I don't think this is it coz it was prolly the relay did that coz it already had our block using the transactions.

Until you spell our name correctly, you won't be able to understand why you always get orphaned. We haven't have any orphans for 7 weeks, or more than 1400 blocks.

Yes we are in a run of low luck, and that is, of course, included in the last 7 weeks of blocks.
The pool luck ~7 weeks, 214 blocks + 4 orphans, is ... 106.4%

So for 7 weeks anyone mining at your pool made less than mining here.
Wow that's gotta suck for anyone who made that mistake.

I'd be wary of letting anyone at your pool know about that fact that they lost out mining at your pool vs mining here for 7 weeks.

Please stop misleading the miners. Anyone who knows some basic probability and mathematical statistics understands that whatever luck which only represents the past, it cannot predict the future.

Fees.....*cough*

[kano]

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The winner was of course decided by the next block (00003007), but the problem is: why was FUPool not working on our block?

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see) Edit: but I don't think this is it coz it was prolly the relay did that coz it already had our block using the transactions.

Until you spell our name correctly, you won't be able to understand why you always get orphaned. We haven't have any orphans for 7 weeks, or more than 1400 blocks.

Yes we are in a run of low luck, and that is, of course, included in the last 7 weeks of blocks.
The pool luck ~7 weeks, 214 blocks + 4 orphans, is ... 106.4%

So for 7 weeks anyone mining at your pool made less than mining here.
Wow that's gotta suck for anyone who made that mistake.

I'd be wary of letting anyone at your pool know about that fact that they lost out mining at your pool vs mining here for 7 weeks.

Please stop misleading the miners. Anyone who knows some basic probability and mathematical statistics understands that whatever luck which only represents the past, it cannot predict the future.

I never made any statement about the future there.
Simply ones about the past.

Get someone to translate my post if you are having difficulty reading it.

So for 7 weeks anyone mining at your pool made less than mining here.
Wow that's gotta suck for anyone who made that mistake.

You, as well, made a comment about how many blocks you found in the past 7 weeks and how many orphans you had in the past 7 weeks.

My comparison is what happened at my pool during that time vs what you said happened at your pool during that time.

Indeed the future is unknown for both pools.

[n200UG]

Haven't  been here for while... Low luck seem to bring the worst of people... Relax and have fun... Block Friday are coming back! 

As for Chinese in general ... When it come to money they will cheat anyway possible. I lived in Shanghai (6) years. Seen it all. If you give them an inch they try to get a METER. That said, if they ever found a way to cheat BTC and the blockchain they will do until they kill it. Then realize their BTC just became worthless.

Tomorrow Friday. Let's be optimistic :-)
 

[zOU]

God, I still lack 0.65BTC to afford the S7 I want.... that's wayyyy too many blocks before my 100USD coupon expire.

I'll need to find a way to buy the BTC...

[not.you]

God, I still lack 0.65BTC to afford the S7 I want.... that's wayyyy too many blocks before my 100USD coupon expire.

I'll need to find a way to buy the BTC...

I lack more than that to break even on each of mine.  This may be the universe telling you not to buy one.

[Crispyato]

Okay.  I'm sorry, but you guys sound a little racist to me.  I'm living in Alabama so I'm familiar with racist attitudes.  Its size and power causing the issue.  If you poke the biggest guy with a stick and put "fu" or "poo" in their name.  Your asking for a fight.  F2pool guy.  Don't you have better things to do than harass small pools?  You make plenty of fee money.  I'll test any pool and I frequently test f2pool and antpool just to see if there is money I make.  F2pool and antpool yield the least profit.  I can get higher speeds on your pool, but you can't change the massively off auto diff and the mining rewards yield results way below the lowest reward estimates at difficulties on the luckiest days.  There are mining pools in China I think are worth mining, but yours is not one of them.  I just pulled the one miner I had there from my diversified strategy, only because you are bad leader.  Someone with such a large mine and successful company shouldn't be picking fights with small pools.  Your approach is unethical, your abuse of power is appalling, and the way your are leading is bad for bitcoin.  Shame on you. You could be doing good for bitcoin, instead you use your position to be a villain.   China is not the problem, you are.  You should represent yourself and your country with a little more dignity.  I can't believe you don't have anything better to do...

[Crispyato]

I wonder what the Chinese authorities would think of the way you do business?  I believe they have an interest in the well being of Bitcoin ...

[zOU]

God, I still lack 0.65BTC to afford the S7 I want.... that's wayyyy too many blocks before my 100USD coupon expire.

I'll need to find a way to buy the BTC...

I lack more than that to break even on each of mine.  This may be the universe telling you not to buy one.

ah well, too late

At least it'll replace my 4xS5 and 4xS3 until I can host them at a friend's house who has a 90% discount on power

[jonnybravo0311]

I think the thing that bothers me the most about the replies by macbook-air is not the accusation of racism, or the statements about probability.  What bothers me the most is the misdirection away from kano's original query:

Is f2pool taking a deliberate measure to work on their own old blocks for some amount of time hoping to win their own orphan races?  In other words, are they abusing their large hash rate percentage and trying to game the system?

Here are kano's original theories on why block 410419 was orphaned at all:

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see) Edit: but I don't think this is it coz it was prolly the relay did that coz it already had our block using the transactions.

I bolded the one to help make it clearer.

[Elphamyto]

I know of a few ways they can do it.   

so to everyone here that is renting  from NH / WH   consider that

   f2pool can send dead hashers to   WH/NH  with ease   

Can you explain what you mean by "send[ing] dead hashers?"

[kano]

I know of a few ways they can do it.   

so to everyone here that is renting  from NH / WH   consider that

   f2pool can send dead hashers to   WH/NH  with ease   

Can you explain what you mean by "send[ing] dead hashers?"

When you pay for miners at *Hash - you have no idea what the miners are and what they are doing.
*Hash don't care either coz they get paid BEFORE you mine and they wont lose anything.
The people who own the miners will get paid no matter what also.
Thus someone could provide "bad hash power" on *Hash and no one would know unless they mined a VERY large amount and kept track of the statistics ... ... ...

[jonnybravo0311]

I know of a few ways they can do it.   

so to everyone here that is renting  from NH / WH   consider that

   f2pool can send dead hashers to   WH/NH  with ease   

Can you explain what you mean by "send[ing] dead hashers?"

When you pay for miners at *Hash - you have no idea what the miners are and what they are doing.
*Hash don't care either coz they get paid BEFORE you mine and they wont lose anything.
The people who own the miners will get paid no matter what also.
Thus someone could provide "bad hash power" on *Hash and no one would know unless they mined a VERY large amount and kept track of the statistics ... ... ...

Even if you did mine a very large amount and keep stats, there's no way to tell which miners of the ones in your order are the bad actors.  Miners connect/drop/reconnect to your order based on whatever algorithms *hash uses, and by the settings the hardware owners configure.

Basically, as a renter you can absolutely never make an informed decision about whether the hashing power you're renting is behaving badly.

[Sierra8561]

Another reason rentals aren't good. I'm guilty of using them from time to time, but this may be the icing on the cake.

[ATCkit]

I think the thing that bothers me the most about the replies by macbook-air is not the accusation of racism, or the statements about probability.  What bothers me the most is the misdirection away from kano's original query:

Is f2pool taking a deliberate measure to work on their own old blocks for some amount of time hoping to win their own orphan races?  In other words, are they abusing their large hash rate percentage and trying to game the system?

Here are kano's original theories on why block 410419 was orphaned at all:

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see) Edit: but I don't think this is it coz it was prolly the relay did that coz it already had our block using the transactions.

I bolded the one to help make it clearer.

Agreed. That's the key point. How and why is F2Pool able to do that? Quite simply, it defeats the egalitarian intent of BTC mining as it does seem that they are somehow able to game the system.

The other bothersome thing is it seems that the larger pools may have found a way to block a smaller, more successful, pool from finding blocks without using DDOS. For the past 10 days or so, it seems that they have targeted this pool. The Stats show this. In other words, a pool can have a few days of bad luck and kano has had some of those before...but the longer than usual bad luck streak here seems like something else is afoot. I don't have the technical skills to investigate how this is being done- but it's simply my observation.

[zOU]

My apologies for the OT, but there's a lot of experts here.


I just sent a 37181 (bytes) transaction and the fee was 0.000018846453833947445 BTC per kB (0.00070073 BTC)
251 inputs/2 outputs

I've some problem calculating the fee and the transaction size, but that's what was sent....

Does it seem ok ? or will it take literally forever to be confirmed and my BTC is stuck in space ?

[5h4do3]

stupid question...

Kano's hash rate not even showing on any hash rate distribution charts anywhere???

edit it is showing but why so low

[clgrissom3]

Block Friday by 12TMhCpL!  That is his 23rd kano block!

[hoosier_13]

Kano I would have to agree more than a couple days this deep in the red is unusual.  Any thoughts? 

[hoosier_13]

Of course.  Lol.  Hopefully that is the start to the pull out of this slump

[suchmoon]

stupid question...

Kano's hash rate not even showing on any hash rate distribution charts anywhere???

edit it is showing but why so low

Those calculations are based on the number of blocks found, which has been quite abysmal lately. The opposite is true as well - during a period of "good luck" it will show much higher on a chart than it should.