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Author Topic: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping  (Read 2115916 times)
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September 04, 2016, 10:28:35 PM
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Do you guys have any questions you would like Paul to answer on the crypto show tonight?
Not particular to him, more to Factom in general: Do you have any hopes or whishes or desires about what could be done by the community at the current state and with M2 (when? WHEN? Wink )?
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September 04, 2016, 11:13:49 PM
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Do you guys have any questions you would like Paul to answer on the crypto show tonight?

What I would like to know:

If Factom speaks with potential customers, what are the biggest concerns of them, or maybe the "highest barriers" that they use it?

And, more the opposite: Which business-sector is most interested in using Factom and why?

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September 04, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
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Do you guys have any questions you would like Paul to answer on the crypto show tonight?

How many employees does Factom anticipate having by the end of the year and the year that follows?
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September 05, 2016, 01:26:06 AM
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/
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September 05, 2016, 02:25:59 AM
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.
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September 05, 2016, 02:27:00 AM
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If they say anything important, can someone state what it is here please.  I can't listen in right now.
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September 05, 2016, 02:28:19 AM
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If they say anything important, can someone state what it is here please.  I can't listen in right now.

yup
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September 05, 2016, 02:30:09 AM
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FCT is talking to group that wants to secure supply-chain for manufacturing.
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September 05, 2016, 02:32:46 AM
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.
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September 05, 2016, 02:34:52 AM
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.

FCT is talking to group that wants to secure supply-chain for manufacturing.

Nice!  Thanks for the updates.  Keep them coming!
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September 05, 2016, 02:39:07 AM
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"In the coming weeks we'll have a testnet out for M2 ... "
(Paul Snow)
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September 05, 2016, 02:42:11 AM
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"I like to tell ppl it takes about a year to understand Bitcoin, and Factom is up there on that level." (ie takes same amount of time to understand)
—Brian Deery
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September 05, 2016, 03:06:06 AM
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.

Now I'm prominent! ;-)

Thanks to Brian for asking my questions, and to Paul for the answers!
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September 05, 2016, 03:14:06 AM
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my pleasure.
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September 05, 2016, 03:37:45 AM
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.

Now I'm prominent! ;-)

Thanks to Brian for asking my questions, and to Paul for the answers!

Yes, thanks guys.
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September 05, 2016, 04:42:15 AM
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For those who missed the live-show:


The Crypto Show with the Factom crew Paul SNOW-den and Brian Deery
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-the-factom-crew-paul-snow-den-and-brian-deery?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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September 05, 2016, 05:40:04 AM
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.

Big announcement? Other then M2?

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September 05, 2016, 07:49:24 AM
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink


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September 05, 2016, 09:22:27 AM
Last edit: September 05, 2016, 11:54:09 AM by Josef27
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink


 

 A good simple use case would be a will. In court, Factom can prove that the will in question is correct and not been altered and latest copy.

 Factom is like a factual authority beyond question.  Factom creates fingerprints of objects like a passport and stores that fingerprint on its blockchain. After Factom gets to say a 100 different passports fingerprints it then creates another fingerprint of that stack and files that stack away by locking it into bitcoins block chain. Now customs scans passport's linked to the factom blockchain to check to see if that passport is valid and not altered.  

These are just a few use cases, basically any legal document, contract, any financial documents, titles of ownership, inter company documents, these are just a few off the top of my head.  


In factom , you have factoids and also have entry credits. Entry credits are like Ethereum gas.

Entry Credis are not a tradable token, large institutions who are forbidden from using cryptocurrency can use Factom. All they need is an EC key, which can be refilled by outsiders taking credit cards or PO orders. The outsiders would handle the vagaries of the market and all the regulatory uncertainty which might be involved.

purchased entry credits, factoids are removed from circulation. These factoids are not recaptured by the servers, and are gone forever.


I think these re-post might answer your questions.  


Adding entries to Bitcoin blockchain directly is very expensive
Prices for Bitcoin transactions are not stable. Cost for adding 1kb data to factom is.
You can't create custom chains on Bitcoin
To store data on Bitcoin blockchain you need to own Bitcoin and handle all the bookkeeping and legal stuff involved with having cryptos, which is a nogo for many companies. At Factom you buy EntryCredits which can't be traded and in the background Factoids get burned. That's a perfect abstraction layer to allow companies using a blockchain without dealing with cryptos.








Factom the hashes, and hashes are data, are stored forever - in Factom and the Bitcoin-Blockchain. But the data that is hashed is not stored by Factom. It has to be that way, because nobody would want to store personal data, like medical records, on a blockchain.

The sense is: Let's say a bank hashes transactions and places the hashes into Factom and Factom into the Bitcoin-Blockchain ---> one year or five years later the bank has proof that nothing was altered or deleted. If there would be a hash in Factom but the file is missing, it would reveal that data was deleted. If there is a file that doesn't match to the hash it was altered etc. Plus: It's also about organizing data and we talk about "big-data" here.

And Factom also can be used to hash access to data. Let's say you work for a bank and you log into your account - Factom can record that as hash (depends on the application, on how the bank uses Factom). And let's say you open a file and change it --> Entry into Factom. So it's not just about the data and hashes but also about responsibility. It makes it much harder to mess with data once it's recorded as hashes. And that is more powerful than most people think because it's not just about objective aspects like:


- Proof of Existence: a document existed in this form at a certain time.
- Proof of Process: a document existed and is linked to this new updated document.
- Proof of Audit: an updated document can be verified to have changed according to a set of rules.

...but also about the way people think and act. That's why it's called "honesty-system". It doesn't prevent dishonest behaviour, it doesn't make it impossible to manipulate or delete data. But Factom would reveal it.

To understand how powerful that is it needs some knowledge about how it's handled today and how much manipulation is going on everywhere on this world with data.



The actual data is stored by the companies as it is currently in their datacenters. With factom they create a merkle tree of this data or hashes of each file (as they like and dependent on use case) and store it in the factom blockchain. If they do it in regular intervals, they have a proofable hashed history of their data. This can be used to either check the integrity of the current data, or to audit the status of data back in history.
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September 05, 2016, 09:54:46 AM
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I guess, there is a reason why FACTOM subscribers are almost exponentially growing. At first, I had several questions related this project but during its time I found most of the answers to them and I can say that I see great future in FACTOM. Good job  Wink

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