ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[raskul]

Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  

not if prices are wayy lower than the competition..

i disagree. running costs are everything.

[Mabsark]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that? It's definitely not everyone.

[raskul]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that?

Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

i'm not going to get into a 'who's got a bigger ....' argument. Look around for yourself.

[Mabsark]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that?

Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

i'm not going to get into a 'who's got a bigger ....' argument. Look around for yourself.

Yeah, but AM is selling chips, not miners. You can compare other companies miners all you want, that's irrelevant to AM. You need to compare the actual chips. You said that AM's chips had a higher power consumption than everyone else's and refuse to back up your claims when asked, that's just spreading FUD.

[raskul]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that?

Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

i'm not going to get into a 'who's got a bigger ....' argument. Look around for yourself.

Yeah, but AM is selling chips, not miners. You can compare other companies miners all you want, that's irrelevant to AM. You need to compare the actual chips. You said that AM's chips had a higher power consumption than everyone else's and refuse to back up your claims when asked, that's just spreading FUD.

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

[jimmothy]

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

As spondoolies biggest fanboy you must be hurting right now seeing $1.4/gh.

Weren't they charging more than $3/gh a week ago?

[Mabsark]

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

I'm neither a fanboy nor a "bum-buggerer" and have been extremely critical of AM in the past. I also didn't say that they've got the best chip out there, I pointed out that your claim that everyone else has better chips was simply nonsense.

[raskul]

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

As spondoolies biggest fanboy you must be hurting right now seeing $1.4/gh.

Weren't they charging more than $3/gh a week ago?

i do own a spondoolies rig, i also own bfl, BE, garden blades (winter space heaters) and an HF rig that never appeared.
my favourite is the SP10, but your query is totally off topic and I had not instigated any 'competitor' discussion. I merely remarked that contrary to popular belief, AM chips are not the bees knees that you all presume them to be. I totally understand that you couldn't care less about the specs and all you are interested in is your dividends. MY pointing out the facts here, is not going to make your dividends increase, or for that matter, decrease.

carry on.

[raskul]

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

I'm neither a fanboy nor a "bum-buggerer" and have been extremely critical of AM in the past. I also didn't say that they've got the best chip out there, I pointed out that your claim that everyone else has better chips was simply nonsense.

I said nothing of the sort.

[jimmothy]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell. 

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

I'm neither a fanboy nor a "bum-buggerer" and have been extremely critical of AM in the past. I also didn't say that they've got the best chip out there, I pointed out that your claim that everyone else has better chips was simply nonsense.

I said nothing of the sort.

Seems legit.

Thanks for giving us the "facts"

[Kosmatos]

Where can someone order AM Gen3 chips?

[raskul]

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell. 

not at all, just making an observation. fanboys and bum-buggerers will always be fanboys and bum-buggerers.
there are better spec chips out there.

I'm neither a fanboy nor a "bum-buggerer" and have been extremely critical of AM in the past. I also didn't say that they've got the best chip out there, I pointed out that your claim that everyone else has better chips was simply nonsense.

I said nothing of the sort.

Seems legit.

Thanks for giving us the "facts"

the facts are AM chips are 3rd rate.. something that will soon be in rigs that will shortly be powered down - right out of the gate.

[kendog77]

the facts are AM chips are 3rd rate.. something that will soon be in rigs that will shortly be powered down - right out of the gate.

I agree. AM Gen3 chips are very average considering all the other options on the market right now.

The Rockminer uses around 1.2W/GH and costs $89 for 37GH! Obviously, this product isn't for serious miners, but that power efficiency is pretty poor considering all the hype around AM Gen3.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=612390.0

[Mabsark]

the facts are AM chips are 3rd rate.. something that will soon be in rigs that will shortly be powered down - right out of the gate.

0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s is not 3rd rate at all. That's why you refuse to back up such claims with actual facts - because the facts will show that you're talking out your arse. For example, Spondoolies chip consumes 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

[raskul]

the facts are AM chips are 3rd rate.. something that will soon be in rigs that will shortly be powered down - right out of the gate.

0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s is not 3rd rate at all. That's why you refuse to back up such claims with actual facts - because the facts will show that you're talking out your arse. For example, Spondoolies chip consumes 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

you are comparing a spec on chip alone to a spec within a working miner. please, continue to delude yourself.

[ryepdx]

Honestly, I don't personally care that gen 3 is about average, or "3rd rate." According to the numbers that have been released, AM has already sold enough of these to give us some sweet dividends over the next three months. Enough that, at this current price, I'd be perfectly content if that ended up being *all* they sold from this generation.

Chip specs are really only relevant for prospective buyers. AM has already got enough sales to more than justify their current share price, IMO.

[Mabsark]

the facts are AM chips are 3rd rate.. something that will soon be in rigs that will shortly be powered down - right out of the gate.

0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s is not 3rd rate at all. That's why you refuse to back up such claims with actual facts - because the facts will show that you're talking out your arse. For example, Spondoolies chip consumes 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

you are comparing a spec on chip alone to a spec within a working miner. please, continue to delude yourself.

Nope, they're both specs for the ASICs, not miners.

[Anotheranonlol]

bitfury rev 2 'Power consumption as low as 0.45J/GH'  this was at 55nm process
imagine what this wizard could do on 28nm level

[Mabsark]

bitfury rev 2 'Power consumption as low as 0.45J/GH'  this was at 55nm process
imagine what this wizard could do on 28nm level

In other words - 0.45 J/GH when underclocked.

[necro_nemesis]

Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

Dammit. I don't want any substandard bitcoin in my wallet I don't care how much of it is.