ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[binaryFate]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

And since the next gen (SP30) of Spoonydooly is just a dice shrink (thanks for the link to other thread raskul!), it means if it does work, AM likely could just do the same thing.

[necro_nemesis]

Lol. AM's most likely eventual flood of the market at a difficult to compete price point will leave those fancy miners valued not a purse full of coon shit more than the bare bones, unbridled, almost intentionally ugly low cost Chinese made hash machines. I'd rather sell a million Timex's than three Rolex's especially when they all have about a six month window to operate.

[Guy Corem]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

[binaryFate]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

[michaelGedi]

it's... Spondoolies-Tech.

'Spondoolies' is a slang term for 'real money' which is different from imaginary share dividends which never get realised. *coughs*
to me, Spondoolies is what I take to the pub when I go out with my wife, and I spoil her with all the lovely spondoolies that my best miners in the world have earned me. She is very pleased and she lets me buy more miners from Spondoolies-Tech (yes i'm under the thumb, but we are an old fashioned couple and we are very happy)


 

did you say spindoggydangles??

[Guy Corem]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

[dhenson]

There was a time when this thread wouldn't have tolerated a competitor's speculation, times sure have changed.

GTFO, thanks.

[alt229]

Hey guys sorry if this question's been answered recently but is anyone else noticed that it's taking a long time to transfer direct shares from one address to another?  Sent a request more than a week ago and haven't heard anything.

I've been out of the loop for a while so maybe there's an automated way to do this finally?

Lastly, I have a link to a super old google doc that shows the list of current investors but it hasn't been updated in a year.  Is there a new one?

Thanks!

[necro_nemesis]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

[dhenson]

Hey guys sorry if this question's been answered recently but is anyone else noticed that it's taking a long time to transfer direct shares from one address to another?  Sent a request more than a week ago and haven't heard anything.

I've been out of the loop for a while so maybe there's an automated way to do this finally?

Lastly, I have a link to a super old google doc that shows the list of current investors but it hasn't been updated in a year.  Is there a new one?

Thanks!

FC generally does the transfers just before paying the dividend.  As there have been no dividends, there has been no need for share transfer. (my assumption)

I believe that this is the most up to date spreadsheet though it is also a few weeks behind.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnxKtjWqWJGodC1fR3JDSFBpZ2tGbjBqdzJoeFlpOXc&usp=sharing

[hdbuck]

Lmao spondolulz justifying in here.. Guess someone's nervous..
Bullishhhhh 

[Guy Corem]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

[binaryFate]

There was a time when this thread wouldn't have tolerated a competitor's speculation, times sure have changed.

GTFO, thanks.

Since this thread is the only meaningfull way to communicate between share holders, it makes sense to discuss how is the competition doing. We always do. And the spoon guy is just giving is point of view, not spamming around. I personally appreciate to know his view, in particular he's just answering my question and not advertising anything else. You're grown up so you know it's a competitor, do your own diligence anyway.

It's bitcointalk, not AM forum. No need to be rude.

[necro_nemesis]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

Facts are facts. The future; well if you knew that with absolute certainty you wouldn't bother spending time building ASICs.  

[RoadStress]

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

Facts are facts. The future; well if you knew that with absolute certainty you wouldn't bother spending time building ASICs.  

If he enjoys it then why not?

[Mabsark]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

That's not setting the record straight at all. How much power did your ASIC consume when running at over 10 GH/s?

[d3adh3ad]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

Can you guys imagine FC showing up in this guy's thread and commenting about how they are doomed?

[binaryFate]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

Can you guys imagine FC showing up in this guy's thread and commenting about how they are doomed?

Only if that means he shows up here first 

[Guy Corem]

AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  

aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.

Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

That's not setting the record straight at all. How much power did your ASIC consume when running at over 10 GH/s?

Sigh.

You quote a number shown in one measurement. There is no one ASIC
Every ASIC behaves differently, based on it's place on the production curve. On top of that, there is cooling.
We can pick a much better corner ASIC, cool it and do a much better measurement. You need to compare apples to apples and this is not the case.

At the end, all that is matter is system efficiency at the wall. It averages the ASICs, PSU and DC2DC design (if you use one).

I'll stop posting here now.

[binaryFate]

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I'll stop posting here now.

Thanks for the info, sorry for the rude tons.