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1381  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoin core gpg?? on: January 26, 2023, 05:43:51 PM
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/296e88225096125b08665b97715c5b8ebb1d28ec

The keys were removed/moved in 5 January.

?? you don't verify the binary?

The recommended way to verify the binary is with the SHA256 hashes, read here: https://bitcoincore.org/en/download/

PS. You may want to move this topic to Dev&Tech, you may get better answers.
1382  Local / Romānă (Romanian) / Re: Criptomonede vs bani digitali emiși de Stat on: January 26, 2023, 05:21:16 PM
bitcoin este mai mult decit un mijloc de plata/schimb virtual este un ideal,un obiectiv eliberarea de controlul si comisiile bancare si de controlul tranzactiilor

Multumesc de postare. Mi-a aratat ca uitasem complet sa-i raspund lui Gazeta Cheesy
Da, Bitcoin e mult mai mult decat o moneda virtuala si mult mai mult decat un "instrument investitional". Bitcoin este anti-cenzura, intrucat scopul Bitcoin este de la inceput eliminarea intermediarului (adica a celui care poate sa cenzureze).
Dar cum pentru majoritatea tot ce zboara se mananca, nivelul intelectual global (ma refer la internet si finante) este la nivelul de a trage cu arcul dupa avioane.

Bineinteles, totul va fi facut cat mai subtil cu putinta, pentru a nu se scandaliza poporul. Asta nu inseamna ca nu se va face, ci se va face. Dar incercand ca un numar cat mai mic de oameni sa bage de seama.

Nu m-ar mira sa plateasca pe unii inclusiv sa posteze inclusiv pe bitcointalk in favoarea banilor digitali emisi de stat(e). Vad unele postari (in sectiunea internationala) care ma duc cu gandul ca poate ca deja au si inceput asta...

Asa este. Lipsa de constientizare a situatiei adevarate este la cote alarmante. Ii vad pe multi bucurandu-se la titluri de stat

Eii,, aia cu titluri de stat sunt relativ putini. Sa vezi in randul pensionarilor. Imi spune mama, e jale.. ea este practic (aproape) singura de acolo (din acea mica localitate) care intelege ce i se intampla. Restul exulta de bucurie ca PSD-ul le-a marit pensia. Ce conteaza ca si marita, tot nu le ajunge?

Oricum, suntem pe drumul cel bun. De anul trecut incocace cam toate produsele si-au dublat pretul. Daca mentinem ritmul acesta, in curand vom ajunge iar la 20.000 lei pentru o paine, si atunci va fi nevoie sa intervina iar statul, sa mai taie niste zerouri din pix. Dar noi de ce nu putem taia niste zerouri din pix la un credit la banca, de pilda? Sau la plata intretinerii?

Cand era Dragnea aproape sa ajunga presedinte era o gluma ca o sa ne imbogateasca pe toti si o sa faca salariul de 1000 EUR sa ajunga la 10000 lei.
Dar, cum spuneam, masa votanta nu intelege...

Asa este. Insa, totodata, pot sa le faca si viata grea celor care vor ramane adeptii banilor de hartie... Sunt tot felul de parghii. De la "plantarea" unor oameni ai sistemului in diverse puncte ale tarii, care pur si simplu sa refuze sa te serveasca

E riscant. Adica omul poate fi reclamat si... sper ca totusi justitia sa nu fie complet sub bocancul politicului. Plus ca in Cucuietii de Munte, cat timp nu este internet, nu au ce sa ceara.

(Fac o paranteza: sa nu uitam si de legea "anti-fumat" (in spatiile inchise) sustinuta de doamna deputat Aurelia Cristea. Nu despre lege vreau sa vorbesc, nici despre cat rau face fumatul. Ci despre cum a stabilit dansa ca un spatiu este inchis: spatiul inchis este cel "care are un acoperis [...] si care este delimitat de cel putin doi pereti". Deci, prin puterea legii, un deputat rescrie legile fizicii. Daca consideram un paralelipiped ca fiind un spatiu inchis (am ales forma aceasta geometrica intrucat este cea mai apropiata de un balcon -- locul unde se duceau multi sa fumeze, pana la aparitia legii), atunci vorbim despre un corp cu 8 fete laterale. Este nevoie de 8 fete laterale pentru a inchide un spatiu. Legea romana poate inchide, insa, acel spatiu, folosind doar 3 laturi. Hai, patru, considerand si podeaua. Cum este posibil sa inchizi un spatiu cu patru laturi? Cum este posibil ca legea unui stat sa fie peste legile fizicii?

Am facut paranteza ca o paralela la ce scriam mai sus, referitor la faptul ca, atunci cand ai puterea, poti stabili (tot prin lege), sfidand orice lege a matematicii, ca 10.000 = 1. Analog, prin lege, un spatiu se inchide doar cu patru laturi. Daca ar auzi, Aristotel, Euclid si alti mari matematicieni ai lumii, s-ar rasuci in mormant.)

Cred ca este aproximativ asemanator si in State cu faza asta. Dar na, la noi e mai simplu, nu vezi ca ne conduc doar tractoristi cu diploma copiata? (Cu scuzele de rigoare pentru tractoristi, am avut si eu in familie si este o munca onorabila, cat timp se ramane la tractor.)
1383  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Issues with Proof-of-Work on: January 26, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
I agree POW > POS by far I just think that POW may also be limiting the potential of decentralized currency in its own way.

It seemed promising a first but with all the required amendments is it really still the best solution out there or is it time to rethink the base principles of consensus.

POW has indeed the theoretical capacity of getting centralized by miners migrating where they can get more profit (cheaper electricity, lower taxes, maybe solar/wind power).
But this is the theory. In reality the miners are pretty well spread, much better than 5 years ago. In reality the miners can pick the pools they want and I don't see why miners would be dumb and endanger Bitcoin (and their revenues) by using all of them the same pool (and even trying 51% attack, which would clearly bring the price down).
Actually I've seen - not in case of Bitcoin - one pool getting over 51% hash rate and still not attempting anything fishy. Again, staying honest usually pays off better in this business.

Or.. do you see other issues which you expect us to guess?!
1384  Economy / Speculation / Re: What happens next if Bitcoin drops to zero? on: January 26, 2023, 09:17:37 AM
1. Will Bitcoin ever fall to zero someday?
2. What happens if it ever falls to zero?

Your logic is faulty imho, sorry. And I will tell you how I see it.
If ever (yes, the chances are less than slim, but still) Bitcoin falls to 0, that will be the result of something, not the trigger to something. It would be the result of people losing interest, maybe because of some error we cannot foresee, maybe because something much better was created.
So the answers would be:
1. Most probably no.
2. Nothing special. The relevant things have already happened by then.
1385  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Be careful with saxydev; he is a possible scammer on: January 26, 2023, 09:11:50 AM
I am going to donate % of Bitcoin I receive from saxydev to randomly selected members who wrote in this topic before this post, so we can have nice party time  Cool

Come on, you didn't realistically expected him to pay, didn't you?
And, as Loyce said, is somewhat a gray area there. So imho it make more sense you just tag him properly instead of pursuing a flag, since a tag is clearly your opinion.

I don't want to be one of his customers, clearly, since whatever he tells today may not stand tomorrow, but, again, that's not the material for a flag.
1386  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Need help updating 11yrs old wallet on: January 26, 2023, 08:58:19 AM
I will only add to what o_e_l_e_o already said that imho best would be if you make a separate/safe backup of the wallet file and store it safely before doing anything else (including upgrading Bitcoin Core).
1387  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The one thing I still don't get about crypto and Tax on: January 25, 2023, 03:42:00 PM
Why the hell are they using the word " its unregulated " as an excuse but still take money from people?

 Grin next time a politician comes asking you to vote for him, as him exactly this.
You will most probably get a non-answer consisting in 1000-words of utter bullshit, but it should be fun.


My answer is: because politics is one, reality is another and all governments need money, no matter what.
1388  Economy / Services / Re: Gazeta's Escrow Service on: January 25, 2023, 03:34:29 PM
...* Always use messages signed with your address and ask the same from the parties of the deals. Make sure the parts are aware that only such signed messages are meaningful. Impersonation is a big risk in your business. ...

Newbie question: What kind of messages does this refer to exactly, do you mean messages and PMs on this forum? If so, sign how, is there a SMF or forum specific mechanism for that, and how do I prove my public key, if it's going to be safer than my forum login?

Sorry for my ignorance Smiley

I've said it, but it seems that you've ignored the most important part. Bitcoin allows signing a message. If you own a bitcoin wallet you can sign a message with one of the addresses of that wallet (actually, better said, with the private key of such an address).
So best is that all parts of the deal have bitcoin addresses staked (you'll need to learn to sign a message, you'll need to also take a look onto this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.new#new ) and sign their deal related messages from those addresses (maybe also stating "current" date/time).

So no, it's not a SMF mechanism, it's a Bitcoin mechanism we also use for proving ownership of bitcointalk accounts in case of troubles (this topic can be informative too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436734)
1389  Other / Meta / Re: [ASK] Does this forum really have its own wallet platform? on: January 25, 2023, 03:10:41 PM
I just banned it. Haven't seen this scam before but I'm sure they will use alts to try do the same.

At least we can hope that maybe the alts won't be so old accounts (unless hacked and/or bought), hence they'll be much less credible.
1390  Other / Meta / Re: How can I prevent my account from being hacked as newbie on: January 25, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
As a newbie in bitcointalk.org what is the best way to prevent membership account from being hacked. Account hacked can be the most painful occurrence any member will experience in this forum. What are the ways to recover an account if eventually it gets hacked. I just want to know to do things right.

1. Learn to securely make yourself a bitcoin wallet.
2. Learn to sing a message with a bitcoin address of yours.
3. Stake your address and message (look for the style, make sure your message contains user name and date) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.new#new
4. Keep that bitcoin wallet safely (offline); in case of problems you'll need to sign another message from that same address.
1391  Other / Meta / Re: Why as a community we are not active on Youtube? on: January 25, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
I think that a more impressive approach is CZ buying a big bunch of shares at Forbes (iirc), hence maybe allowing him watch over what they're publishing....

If you believe in CZ then I have nothing to say.

All I've said that his move is more impressive than what you think a bitcointalk YouTube channel would achieve. I certainly don't understand what you'd expect from putting our work onto Google's servers, where they can censor at will, hence allowing only what suits them best. Do you really think that those truly interested won't find this forum?!?!

And about believing him or not... the fact that you are jumping to conclusions like this tells a lot...
1392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Today my client became the largest Bitcoin ATM company in the world! on: January 25, 2023, 02:12:09 PM
I am not a software developer, I am in sales for a telecom company and we provide internet services via SIM cards and IOT routers for the kiosks. Bitstop was actually my first client

So it's the client of the company you're working for, not actually yours, or the client of a company you own...
Don't take me wrong, still a nice achievement, but much less important than what I first thought... I was even wondering how comes you're still here, instead of enjoying margaritas...
Still, congrats!
1393  Other / Meta / Re: Why as a community we are not active on Youtube? on: January 25, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
We need a mechanism to stop this nonsense from mainstream media. We as a community should come up with an idea to counter the mainstream media and I think an official channel of Bitcointalk which is also active should be on Youtube as a start.

So your solution for countering mainstream media is... to use mainstream media channels.
Well, for your surprise, bitcointalk does have a YouTube channel, see discussion in this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5351302.0
It's a fun channel though, hence probably not what you'd expect.

I think that a more impressive approach is CZ buying a big bunch of shares at Forbes (iirc), hence maybe allowing him watch over what they're publishing....
1394  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: I might be wrong about this but I need to know on: January 25, 2023, 12:42:02 PM
Are people still renting cloud computing Power to mine Bitcoin? A brother from another mother told me this and I said its impossible because I knew they are not profitable anymore, I might be wrong, who knows? That's why I need to ask fellow bitcoiners on this forum.. Is this still possible today? Where not even 20TH is no more profitable, or people are doing it illegally? Because the way he hyped this I am having a second thoughts maybe its illegal.

Mining bitcoin is not possible on CPU or GPU. This being said, one cannot meaningfully mine bitcoin on cloud computing / AWS like machines.
I don't know how is it for altcoins too, some can be mined with CPU/GPU and then converted for bitcoin, but you may want to ask about that on the altcoins area.
I don't think it's legal (the cloud website might kick you out) or it may not worth it (too expensive), but I don't know.

On the other hand, beware of cloud mining websites. Those are plain scams.
1395  Other / Meta / Re: [ASK] Does this forum really have its own wallet platform? on: January 25, 2023, 12:28:53 PM
Thanks for the quick response. Before, i thought that was an important part of this forum. Ok, i will report the PM now. But, why is there no negative trust on the account? it makes it seem as though the message and platform are legit.

If one is not reported and not caught... no way the people would know and tag him.
And after a report like this... I would expect that account gets punished in a way or another, or even banned.


However, as already said, after this topic of yours, that account will most probably become red too. got red too. I've just taken care of that.
1396  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How bitcoin supply can be more than 21 million on: January 25, 2023, 12:22:22 PM
is it can happen can we trade just numbers

On any centralized exchange you're trading just numbers. Those are real coins only at depositing and at withdrawing, when they are visible on the blockchain. All the rest is numbers in the exchange's internal database.
1397  Other / Meta / Re: [ASK] Does this forum really have its own wallet platform? on: January 25, 2023, 12:15:48 PM
Hi everyone, i'm Pandorak and a newbie user in this forum. After registering an account yesterday, i logged in today, and got a private message about an intra-forum wallet. I got this private message from bvalis who claims to be a Moderator for this forum.

Here's the message he sent:

Quote
Welcome to our forum
My name is Mike I am a moderator of bitcointalk site
If you have any questions you can always write to me.
I advise you to read rules for newbies and also install our new intra-forum wallet to receive profits

https://[PHISHING LINK REMOVED]/

Have a nice day and have a nice talk!
______________________________________________________________________________
Regards, forum team

Is this something legit or a scam? Please let me know. If this is a scam then it would be useful for awareness for newbies like me.

No, that's not a legit wallet, most probably somebody has tried to scam you.
The usual way to handle this is to report that message.
As a rule of the thumb, always be wary of unsolicited private conversations. In most cases those are attempts for scam.

...and.... I don't know what else the forum could do about this.
1398  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-11-24] Starling Bank bans Bitcoin transactions on: January 25, 2023, 11:31:57 AM
Is it Starling Bank, according to your spelling or Sterling Bank?

If you would have been paying attention at least to the linked article you would have known that it's an article from UK talking about Starling Bank from UK (and the situation of crypto in UK), not Sterling Bank (Nigeria)...

1399  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ready to learn and solve the world's biggest problems on: January 25, 2023, 09:37:26 AM
I am happy to be here but how can I find able person that will guide me through my stay here.

This is a bad approach. If you look for a person to help you, you can easily stumble on persons that want to scam you or who may (willingly or unwillingly) mislead you.
Since you are an upcoming backend developer you may assimilate more info from pages like https://learnmeabitcoin.com/ or https://electrum.readthedocs.io/ than from watching YouTube movies.
(Same goes to private messages: scammers can pretend to help you privately; avoid.)
The questions are best to be asked publicly. See below.

How do I commence my learning in the most subtle way?
Is there addictional materials available? Like link, videos, PDF

The best is imho to read a little from reputable sources.
I'd start with bitcoin whitepaper: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper (if you're from UK, just ask for a different source)
Then I'd go to through Mastering Bitcoin, which is free here: https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook
Afterwards, the links I've started with can be of help too.


When you have some reading done, you can start asking. People here will be more than happy to help you, as long as you don't ask things already asked 100s of times.
The search feature of the forum can be of help too, or maybe https://ninjastic.space/search would make it even easier.
Make sure you make your topics when asking questions instead of hijacking others' topics.
Enjoy the ride!
1400  Economy / Economics / Re: Is renting an inevitable waste of money? on: January 25, 2023, 08:12:48 AM
However, my analysis is valid for my country.

The country with the largest percentage of homeownership in the world?
I guess nobody listens to the cons there, your first wage comes with a mandatory mortgage or how do things work there?   Cheesy

Actually more and more look for the cons too, plus usually the first wage, by far is not big enough for the bank's liking.
The bank looks for stable job, hence at least 6 months there... the reality is not exactly like the newspapers depict it  Wink

The fact that there are so many homeowners here is (also) caused by the fact that soon after the old regime was abolished, the people was able to buy the flats they were living in, and the prices were extremely low. Else the percentage would look awful, actually.

On the other hand, the prices for the properties are more likely to grow here than in more developed countries, hence it's a better business here to buy.

I am sure that OP can see how my pluses and minuses apply (or not) in his country; I don't feel I was that much biased.



The biggest benefit to taking a loan/mortgage is to be able to pass on the house to sons and daughters.

Well, you can - at least in theory - buy Bitcoin and, at the time the kids are big enough, those Bitcoins may (with some luck) cover the price for a decent house for each and every one of them.
But yes, you do have a valid point; paying a loan for the house is - at least in theory - less risky than bitcoin.
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