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1861  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2019, 06:32:26 PM
Some more 'low level' infos for those who might get it ( or think of trolling...)

Smart contracts on Bitcoin are here


https://youtu.be/51ZFe_8mSPw

 Wink
1862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2019, 04:13:48 PM
Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.

You miss the real point.  Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging.  Things like the noble metals (physical silver and gold) resist entropy.  Bitcoin FACILITATES entropy.  It's the #1 worst form of 'money' ever created.  If something starts out as some completely arbitrary abomination and randomly transforms into some other new, completely arbitrary abomination, it's obviously not fungible or money.

"Fungible" does not mean tumbling coins in some Albanian mixer to try and obfuscate outputs, it means the object has actual, inherent properties that don't mutate at random.  Fungibility is a requirement of money and no imaginary, digital shitcoin has it.  Physical metals are money and digital shitcoins are scam hoaxes pretending to have the traits of metals when they don't.

True, but it is just implicit. Bitcoin cannot be changed after Satoshi left. It is fraud to do so and keep the name.

Biggest shit was Segshit, and we had the biggest drop of btc in market share with that.

Hope we have biggest learning curve about money now.

True Bitcoin is better than any PM though

That's an opinion too, but development must go on.
For the simple minded, bigger blocks will do, but if you project the possible and likely outcomes, it's quite a fatal move.
SegWit was a step forward, but development will have to face more bugs and problems to solve. It's like combustion engines, they convert 100% heat into 40% moving energy. Quite inefficient, but the efficiency did and will rise over time (if we don't make the complete jump to 95+% electrical engines in the near future).
In my opinion, there is no "better" Bitcoin. Bitcoin is BTC and all of it's offsprings combined. The only true intention of Ver, Wright, Wrong and any of those shady hostile characters is that someone buys the story of the "right" Bitcoin and joins his argumentation army. They don't want to get their hands dirty while grabbing your money.

EDIT: Also, when i can buy stuff or service with an entity, it's money. So far for the wet dreams of the roach.

Average Joes just got totally brain washed with Bitcoin needs more dev or anonymity, whatever.

Bitcoin works fine as designed by Satoshi

It could ve been listed on any regulated exchange  ( and be much more money ) if simple thin and on purpose, not bribbled / fucked up / altered as btc is now.

Protocols should not change any few months

Money neither

Gold has its constant 999 / same nucleus count..


And by whom? VitalcoreK?
1863  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anonymity VS tracing transactions. on: October 12, 2019, 04:05:10 PM
First of all, there will be never true anonymity, no chance

Second, who does profit most from such anonymity?

Sure, not all the average Joes,.  

Why than do such an effort to convince for such 'feature'?

Hint: A feature that needs convincing, is no ( like SegShit ...)


Satoshi wanted IP to IP ...
1864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.

You miss the real point.  Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging.  Things like the noble metals (physical silver and gold) resist entropy.  Bitcoin FACILITATES entropy.  It's the #1 worst form of 'money' ever created.  If something starts out as some completely arbitrary abomination and randomly transforms into some other new, completely arbitrary abomination, it's obviously not fungible or money.

"Fungible" does not mean tumbling coins in some Albanian mixer to try and obfuscate outputs, it means the object has actual, inherent properties that don't mutate at random.  Fungibility is a requirement of money and no imaginary, digital shitcoin has it.  Physical metals are money and digital shitcoins are scam hoaxes pretending to have the traits of metals when they don't.

True, but it is just implicit. Bitcoin cannot be changed after Satoshi left. It is fraud to do so and keep the name.

Biggest shit was Segshit, and we had the biggest drop of btc in market share with that.

Hope we have biggest learning curve about money now.

True Bitcoin is better than any PM though
1865  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2019, 06:23:34 AM
You ignored my entire defense

What defense?

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If you want to counter something, counter the reasoning below:

I'd be happy to, if you had something to respond to other than 'a couple of the people who believe this is the route forward have engaged in behavior I consider unsavory'. But you don't. There is nothing to respond to.

Again: Defend your statement. Or retract it. Any other path forward for you would be dishonorable.

You forgot the bit where the big blockers try to fool newbies into thinking Bcash lol and BSV are Bitcoin.

Your entire value proposition is based on fraud.  

One of these logos is a BSV logo.  One of these logos is a Bitcoin logo.  I can’t tell the difference so I can’t see how a newbie could.  This is plainly fraudulent passing off.  



Thanks Hairy. He insists on making it an argument about whether or not a piece of software has the ability to act immorally on its own, which is of course, never what the argument was about.

breher: just because you ignore a defense doesn't mean its not a defense. I'm tired of playing these word games with you. Look at the scoreboard: your favorite altcoins are dying slow but measurable deaths because they were built on the fraudulent premise that they are the real bitcoin. Had they not tried so hard to blatantly piggyback off bitcoin's good name, perhaps they would both be doing better than they currently are. They would almost certainly be better respected by the general community.

Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.

If u don't get that, visit a lawyer but don't misinform all the others.
1866  Bitcoin / Press / [2019-10-10] CFTC says Bitcoin AND ETH are Commodity on: October 11, 2019, 09:09:13 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cftc-says-cryptocurrency-ether-is-a-commodity-and-is-open-to-ether-derivatives-133455545.html

On Bitcoin  - cannot agree more



ETH was ICO - doesn't work as promised and goes PoS - Vitalik controlled, is even more what a security defines ( Shares = right to min and earn dividends )


 Huh

[mod note: fixed date]
1867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 11, 2019, 09:05:21 AM
CFTC about Bitcoin AND ETH being a commodity

Bitcoin IS

ETH was ICO scam - it is a security and does not work as it was sold for

If it goes PoS, it is even more a security since u need to own shares to have the right to earn dividends - cannot be clearer a security ...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cftc-says-cryptocurrency-ether-is-a-commodity-and-is-open-to-ether-derivatives-133455545.html


SEC MUST write down things, they haven't!


 Roll Eyes   Huh   Sad
1868  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Schnorr + Taproot Soft Fork and What this Means to Bitcoin on: October 11, 2019, 05:44:53 AM
... darkening the protocol - put btc more on black lists

Simply because of increasing privacy? Is that what you mean? Will the improved privacy through this soft fork enough to classify Bitcoin alongside Monero, Dash, ZCash, and other privacy coins?

No, it's not the reason. If Bitcoin uses ECDSA it's because it couldn't make use of Schnorr's signature scheme because it was patented (it's ~30 years old), only recently it became public. Technically Schnorr's signature scheme has a simpler structure. Now it's open the dev. want to use it

Hence the speculation that the algorithm was not included by Satoshi Nakamoto when he designed Bitcoin due to Schnorr's existing patent back then.

Perhaps some technical wiz could provide a friendly breakdown as to what this really means to all of us. For us laymen, who are not too familiar with the technical nitty-gritty of Bitcoin development, this could remain fuzzy.

1. Both of them reduce transaction size which means :
  • You'll pay less transaction fees
  • A block can contain more transaction, which can be seen as minor on-chain scaling

But is it comparable to the almost zero fees provided by the Lightning Network? Although LN of course is primarily designed for smaller and day to day transactions and is basically off-chain.

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2. Both of them offer better privacy (through different method)

Exactly in a manner that NeuroticFish has shown?

This means that Bitcoin will be closer to the way paper money behaves: if you have 200$, 100$ from a drug dealer and 100$ from a bank, no one will know which 100$ came from which source.




When will all the good guys in Bitcoin  notice that the dark boys are driving the entire Project into the wrong dark waters ?

Doesn t that here do a good job to wake up ?

https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/nysearca/2019/34-87267.pdf

Why have u so much 'issues' to get that a  protocol Level is not the right layer to fuck up?
1869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 11, 2019, 04:32:16 AM
Segshit bagholders hate Satoshi a lot

Starting with IP to IP cash

Transparent P2P tx
...

Micropay

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikerelentless/status/1182348471464026112
1870  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Schnorr + Taproot Soft Fork and What this Means to Bitcoin on: October 10, 2019, 09:44:38 AM
... darkening the protocol - put btc more on black lists
1871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 10, 2019, 07:55:10 AM

They might even take SegShit coin - yippiey
1872  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 10, 2019, 06:13:01 AM

Seems the ETF Story is the last Story told in btc - what 's next ?

Find out what Satoshi was about?
1873  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2019, 05:48:57 PM
ooh congrats hv_ hero member notbad.

Thx Vssssssss
8s are good start for power and big cars / blocks, nice
I m sure u are no Tesla fan, right?

True old V8 ers are legends
1874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2019, 04:59:47 PM
I am an unapologetic big blocker. I am neither fraudster nor scammer. IOW, Go Fuck Yourself.

You are in bed with CSW.  

That is exactly equivalent to a claim that you are in bed with Amir Taaki, Mark Karpeles, and any number of other salacious characters.

No, its not. CSW and Roger Ver are leaders of the big block movement. Amir Taaki (not a salacious character btw) and Mark Karpeles are not leaders of anything.

Roger Ver is unarguably one of the most important figures in the entire history of Bitcoin. Taaki* and Karpeles were each indisputably leaders in their time. Leadership is transitory, and irrelevant when discussing the inherent properties of a protocol.

* the salaciousness of Taaki is predicated on each individuals' view of Taaki's actions.

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Indeed I have. All either statements of truth, reasoned future projections based upon solid facts, or reasonable opinions supported by rational point of view.

That's the problem: things you find to be reasonable and rational rarely are to others. It might come as a surprise to you but the problem isn't them. If you were right (about anything, really) your two favorite altcoins wouldn't have suffered such drastic declines as compared to bitcoin.

Let's revisit this paragraph in the immediate aftermath of Blockalypse II.


IMO small blockers just don't have much capacity for such a revision. Don't expect too much

 Grin
1875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 09, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
That's the real fun, trolling the trolls and show the world how BitCoin should really work.

Use and earn

https://coingeek.com/jimmy-nguyen-bitcoin-sv-has-introduced-new-business-models

And BSV works fine as BitCoin
1876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 09, 2019, 05:36:23 AM
This is what I signed up for BitCoin for the good

https://mobile.twitter.com/FuturealSam/status/1181391497679249408

The Satoshi Vision is a true benefit  for the world


Happy to share

 Smiley

Hilarious to quote a fraud who evaded his own country due to his tax..............frauds.
Hilarious to quote a fraud who was sentenced several times for contempt of Court.
Hilarious to quote a fraud who plagiarise research papers.
Hilarious to quote a fraud who loses his cases when he pretends to be the victim of libel.
Hilarious to quote a fraud associated with a convict.

Funny, trolls could only call that fraud, cause it is NOT YET on the blockchain -  wait

 Roll Eyes
1877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 08, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
This is what I signed up for BitCoin for the good

https://mobile.twitter.com/FuturealSam/status/1181391497679249408

The Satoshi Vision is a true benefit  for the world


Happy to share

 Smiley
1878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 07, 2019, 10:12:38 PM
From payment channels and Benford wallets on BSV

https://youtu.be/0WAURtybHXg
1879  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a Form of Anarchy on: October 07, 2019, 09:58:13 PM
If you dont like govs - fuck off

I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again


u voted

quit voting long ago


u are part of

no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying


u can change (little)

that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world.

...and also tech and changes got us finally away from living in caves and anarchy, if u want go back, BitCoin is not ur friend

Lol
1880  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a Form of Anarchy on: October 07, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into

ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade" Huh

or "peer-to-peer governance"

it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong


Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules.


Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them.
You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org)

in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there Grin)


If you dont like govs - fuck off - u voted / u are part of / u can change (little)  - but u cannot go mad as u are


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?
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