Some more 'low level' infos for those who might get it ( or think of trolling...) Smart contracts on Bitcoin are here https://youtu.be/51ZFe_8mSPw ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.
You miss the real point. Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging. Things like the noble metals (physical silver and gold) resist entropy. Bitcoin FACILITATES entropy. It's the #1 worst form of 'money' ever created. If something starts out as some completely arbitrary abomination and randomly transforms into some other new, completely arbitrary abomination, it's obviously not fungible or money. "Fungible" does not mean tumbling coins in some Albanian mixer to try and obfuscate outputs, it means the object has actual, inherent properties that don't mutate at random. Fungibility is a requirement of money and no imaginary, digital shitcoin has it. Physical metals are money and digital shitcoins are scam hoaxes pretending to have the traits of metals when they don't. True, but it is just implicit. Bitcoin cannot be changed after Satoshi left. It is fraud to do so and keep the name. Biggest shit was Segshit, and we had the biggest drop of btc in market share with that. Hope we have biggest learning curve about money now. True Bitcoin is better than any PM though That's an opinion too, but development must go on. For the simple minded, bigger blocks will do, but if you project the possible and likely outcomes, it's quite a fatal move. SegWit was a step forward, but development will have to face more bugs and problems to solve. It's like combustion engines, they convert 100% heat into 40% moving energy. Quite inefficient, but the efficiency did and will rise over time (if we don't make the complete jump to 95+% electrical engines in the near future). In my opinion, there is no "better" Bitcoin. Bitcoin is BTC and all of it's offsprings combined. The only true intention of Ver, Wright, Wrong and any of those shady hostile characters is that someone buys the story of the "right" Bitcoin and joins his argumentation army. They don't want to get their hands dirty while grabbing your money. EDIT: Also, when i can buy stuff or service with an entity, it's money. So far for the wet dreams of the roach. Average Joes just got totally brain washed with Bitcoin needs more dev or anonymity, whatever. Bitcoin works fine as designed by Satoshi It could ve been listed on any regulated exchange ( and be much more money ) if simple thin and on purpose, not bribbled / fucked up / altered as btc is now. Protocols should not change any few months Money neither Gold has its constant 999 / same nucleus count.. And by whom? VitalcoreK?
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First of all, there will be never true anonymity, no chance
Second, who does profit most from such anonymity?
Sure, not all the average Joes,.
Why than do such an effort to convince for such 'feature'?
Hint: A feature that needs convincing, is no ( like SegShit ...)
Satoshi wanted IP to IP ...
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Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.
You miss the real point. Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging. Things like the noble metals (physical silver and gold) resist entropy. Bitcoin FACILITATES entropy. It's the #1 worst form of 'money' ever created. If something starts out as some completely arbitrary abomination and randomly transforms into some other new, completely arbitrary abomination, it's obviously not fungible or money. "Fungible" does not mean tumbling coins in some Albanian mixer to try and obfuscate outputs, it means the object has actual, inherent properties that don't mutate at random. Fungibility is a requirement of money and no imaginary, digital shitcoin has it. Physical metals are money and digital shitcoins are scam hoaxes pretending to have the traits of metals when they don't. True, but it is just implicit. Bitcoin cannot be changed after Satoshi left. It is fraud to do so and keep the name. Biggest shit was Segshit, and we had the biggest drop of btc in market share with that. Hope we have biggest learning curve about money now. True Bitcoin is better than any PM though
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You ignored my entire defense
What defense? If you want to counter something, counter the reasoning below:
I'd be happy to, if you had something to respond to other than 'a couple of the people who believe this is the route forward have engaged in behavior I consider unsavory'. But you don't. There is nothing to respond to.Again: Defend your statement. Or retract it. Any other path forward for you would be dishonorable. You forgot the bit where the big blockers try to fool newbies into thinking Bcash lol and BSV are Bitcoin. Your entire value proposition is based on fraud. One of these logos is a BSV logo. One of these logos is a Bitcoin logo. I can’t tell the difference so I can’t see how a newbie could. This is plainly fraudulent passing off. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTONxGjs.jpg&t=663&c=fUMOZeVzuPS6wg) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F59YC0yV.png&t=663&c=mtxz0lZTQ9u5AA) Thanks Hairy. He insists on making it an argument about whether or not a piece of software has the ability to act immorally on its own, which is of course, never what the argument was about. breher: just because you ignore a defense doesn't mean its not a defense. I'm tired of playing these word games with you. Look at the scoreboard: your favorite altcoins are dying slow but measurable deaths because they were built on the fraudulent premise that they are the real bitcoin. Had they not tried so hard to blatantly piggyback off bitcoin's good name, perhaps they would both be doing better than they currently are. They would almost certainly be better respected by the general community. Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason. If u don't get that, visit a lawyer but don't misinform all the others.
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... darkening the protocol - put btc more on black lists
Simply because of increasing privacy? Is that what you mean? Will the improved privacy through this soft fork enough to classify Bitcoin alongside Monero, Dash, ZCash, and other privacy coins? No, it's not the reason. If Bitcoin uses ECDSA it's because it couldn't make use of Schnorr's signature scheme because it was patented (it's ~30 years old), only recently it became public. Technically Schnorr's signature scheme has a simpler structure. Now it's open the dev. want to use it
Hence the speculation that the algorithm was not included by Satoshi Nakamoto when he designed Bitcoin due to Schnorr's existing patent back then. Perhaps some technical wiz could provide a friendly breakdown as to what this really means to all of us. For us laymen, who are not too familiar with the technical nitty-gritty of Bitcoin development, this could remain fuzzy.
1. Both of them reduce transaction size which means : - You'll pay less transaction fees
- A block can contain more transaction, which can be seen as minor on-chain scaling
But is it comparable to the almost zero fees provided by the Lightning Network? Although LN of course is primarily designed for smaller and day to day transactions and is basically off-chain. 2. Both of them offer better privacy (through different method)
Exactly in a manner that NeuroticFish has shown? This means that Bitcoin will be closer to the way paper money behaves: if you have 200$, 100$ from a drug dealer and 100$ from a bank, no one will know which 100$ came from which source.
When will all the good guys in Bitcoin notice that the dark boys are driving the entire Project into the wrong dark waters ? Doesn t that here do a good job to wake up ? https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/nysearca/2019/34-87267.pdfWhy have u so much 'issues' to get that a protocol Level is not the right layer to fuck up?
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... darkening the protocol - put btc more on black lists
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They might even take SegShit coin - yippiey
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Seems the ETF Story is the last Story told in btc - what 's next ? Find out what Satoshi was about?
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ooh congrats hv_ hero member notbad.
Thx Vssssssss 8s are good start for power and big cars / blocks, nice I m sure u are no Tesla fan, right? True old V8 ers are legends
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I am an unapologetic big blocker. I am neither fraudster nor scammer. IOW, Go Fuck Yourself.
You are in bed with CSW. That is exactly equivalent to a claim that you are in bed with Amir Taaki, Mark Karpeles, and any number of other salacious characters. No, its not. CSW and Roger Ver are leaders of the big block movement. Amir Taaki (not a salacious character btw) and Mark Karpeles are not leaders of anything. Roger Ver is unarguably one of the most important figures in the entire history of Bitcoin. Taaki* and Karpeles were each indisputably leaders in their time. Leadership is transitory, and irrelevant when discussing the inherent properties of a protocol. * the salaciousness of Taaki is predicated on each individuals' view of Taaki's actions. Indeed I have. All either statements of truth, reasoned future projections based upon solid facts, or reasonable opinions supported by rational point of view.
That's the problem: things you find to be reasonable and rational rarely are to others. It might come as a surprise to you but the problem isn't them. If you were right (about anything, really) your two favorite altcoins wouldn't have suffered such drastic declines as compared to bitcoin. Let's revisit this paragraph in the immediate aftermath of Blockalypse II. IMO small blockers just don't have much capacity for such a revision. Don't expect too much ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Hilarious to quote a fraud who evaded his own country due to his tax..............frauds. Hilarious to quote a fraud who was sentenced several times for contempt of Court. Hilarious to quote a fraud who plagiarise research papers. Hilarious to quote a fraud who loses his cases when he pretends to be the victim of libel. Hilarious to quote a fraud associated with a convict. Funny, trolls could only call that fraud, cause it is NOT YET on the blockchain - wait ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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If you dont like govs - fuck off I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again u voted quit voting long ago u are part of no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying u can change (little) that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much - don't get it ?
tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world. ...and also tech and changes got us finally away from living in caves and anarchy, if u want go back, BitCoin is not ur friend Lol
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It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all
It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.
And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade" ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) or "peer-to-peer governance" it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin
Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules. Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them. You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org) in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ) If you dont like govs - fuck off - u voted / u are part of / u can change (little) - but u cannot go mad as u are bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much - don't get it ?
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