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2781  Economy / Gambling / Re: *[~BITLOTTO~]* April 4 draw over 155 BTC!!!! on: March 30, 2012, 12:06:47 PM
I vote announce & start that any amount may be sent & what's not divisible by 0.25 coins (the last left over bit) goes in to the JP tip jar starting with next week's May lotto (to keep things simple this time, as we've already had the one major change this month to accept multiple 0.25 bets in one tx) & I confirm that I shall be seeding it with 100 coins on day 1 or sooner if bitlotto sends me the address beforehand which he said that he's going to do
2782  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: First Pirate Savings and Trust on: March 29, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
put a bitcoin patch over the eye.

+1, original wheel & Bitcoin patch over his left eye socket

alternatively, ghostly see through coin as wheel that shows his skeleton tho it

or maybe just the parrot holding one up by a leg/claw to take a bite at it, like is it a genuine BTC test & not got the gox
2783  Economy / Gambling / Re: *[~BITLOTTO~]* April 4 draw over 122 BTC! on: March 29, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
Over 122 BTC with 1 week left! Remember that you can now send any amount at once to the draw address as long as it's a multiple of 0.25. No need to keep buying single tickets.

GOOD LUCK!

As that's now implemented & to save you the hassle of returning odd < 0.25 BTC amounts to anyone who can't do maths, why not make the rules that all money sent gets put into the jackpot regardless & if anyone sends over what is divisible by 0.25 then that is treated as  a tip to the jackpot, it will be less than 0.25 BTC so no big deal - maybe peeps want to send their lucky 5.55 (22 bets + 0.05 coins tip) or 7.77 BTC (31 bets + 0.02 coins tip), before it mattered (like when I was totally maths/wallet spastic or whatever  Embarrassed) but now it's a trifling amount & you shouldn't need to be working out & sending back < 0.25 coins imo  

another advantage with this is that the total shown to have been sent in is always correct for = jackpot

or the extra could be tips for you or a good cause, jp would be a fraction less but negligible difference

edit: bet you get a bunch of 6.66 BTC tx with 26 bets & a generous 0.16 coins sacrificed to the tip jar  Wink

2784  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What would you do with 1 BTC? on: March 28, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
I'd buy 4 tickets on BitLotto where the jackpot for next week's draw is at over 120 BTC atm & with 99% of all money bet going to the winner that is excellent returns! If I then won (1 in 120ish chance atm) I'd let you know how I'll spend the prize - hopefully by next week it'll be enough for a BTF Single  Grin

gamblor eh?

sure, with free money what's to lose  Wink

Well the coin you could potentially have.

but I'd only get the coin if he accepted my gambling proposition, I'm not going to make any other offer, but if he's quick (or the MM rolls over) I'd split it between BiLotto & this:

http://www.thelotter.com/TheBigList.aspx?short=1&pageId=9&DoRefresh=true

& if the gods of crypto currencies saw it assuming enough to run with I'd ask where he'd like the price to be stabilized - like for ever  Wink

& develop open source everything for BTC to be the new age's cash  Tongue

& while it's an enormous long shot it could still be the most important 1 BTC donation in history ever  Cheesy
2785  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What would you do with 1 BTC? on: March 28, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
I'd buy 4 tickets on BitLotto where the jackpot for next week's draw is at over 120 BTC atm & with 99% of all money bet going to the winner that is excellent returns! If I then won (1 in 120ish chance atm) I'd let you know how I'll spend the prize - hopefully by next week it'll be enough for a BTF Single  Grin

gamblor eh?

sure, you bet - with free money what's to lose  Wink
2786  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What would you do with 1 BTC? on: March 28, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
I'd buy 4 tickets on BitLotto where the jackpot for next week's draw is at over 120 BTC atm & with 99% of all money bet going to the winner that is excellent returns! If I then won (1 in 120ish chance atm) I'd let you know how I'll spend the prize - hopefully by next week it'll be enough for a BTF Single  Grin
2787  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Open Ended Investment Opportunity on: March 28, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
hi, could I have an update please - I don't mind if it's public or not, with initial amount invested on 2012 02 05, each interest payment amount with rate & date paid & so the current balances, many thanks - no rush
2788  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Need $35 PP for BTC on: March 28, 2012, 01:07:37 AM
thank you  Smiley

first time to try this all worked very well, PP $ sent as gift from my US PP account = no fee for anyone

happy to do this again any time, anyone else need this service pse PM me or post here (I'm on EU time mostly btw)
2789  Economy / Speculation / Re: #1 most popular Bitcoin Price Forecasts (subscribe here: bitcoinbullbear.com) on: March 27, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
Honestly, I would not take him seriously at all. It is impossible to create such a trading racket in a way that everyone trusts the other, and no serious investors would take part in it to gather enough funds to set up a 40k bid wall. It is also too risky to profit off such a method longer term (market doesn’t fall for walls eventually).

So, S3052, I guess your update was bullish? Grin

lol - I agree that was a nice quick (& short lived) 10 cents splash up from the this will end in tears club OMG the market better not keep going lower band aid - the manipulator/the market is really going to love these little plump pigeons flocking together imo
2790  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] $100 USD PP for BTC on: March 27, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
I haven't done this before but am willing to give it a try if it's within the next hour, BTC to be sent first & let me know exactly how you wish the PP $ to be sent, ie gift & you pay their fees etc, can send eBay message from my 1,000 + 10 year account of all v positive feedbacks

suggest @ $4.60 where the present wall is so 21.70 BTC for $100
2791  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Need $35 PP for BTC on: March 27, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
I haven't done this before but am willing to give it a try if it's within the next hour, BTC to be sent first & let me know exactly how you wish the PP $ to be sent, ie gift & you pay their fees etc, can send eBay message from my 1,000 + 10 year account of all v positive feedbacks

suggest @ $4.60 where the present wall is so 7.60 BTC for $35
2792  Other / Meta / Re: dont make a damn single post few days on: March 27, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
I agree with the OP. Speculation forum was fun! Please give back our old speculation forum!

+1 ~ it wasn't broken, don't try & fix it
2793  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Making a BTC pitch to a billionaire on: March 27, 2012, 05:18:56 PM
My 0.02BTC:

A billionaire investment in either mining or simply bitcoins themselves would be a waste of effort and money I think.  For bitcoin to succeed it needs broad acceptance; not narrow.  Regardless of how much capital that narrow acceptance has behind it.  Either of these "investments" would do nothing other than make lot of other people a little bit richer (us who already hold bitcoins).  And ideally we don't want mining under control of any one entity.

Better then is the philanthropic angle (and I believe it would be good non-philanthropically as well).  Before bitcoin can be widely accepted as payment; merchants need to see that they aren't accepting some potentially worthless trinket-token.  The way they can see that is from the exchanges.  They provide liquidity and price-finding.

Trying to fight the legal system in the developed countries is an obvious nightmare, for a not-huge reward (relative to the size of those developed economies).  Getting working exchanges in underdeveloped countries would be hugely beneficial; to bitcoin the project, but more importantly, to the country.

I really do believe that free trade has the power to transform.  Bitcoin is the embodiment of the free-trade-tool.

Therefore if I had the ear of a philanthropic billionaire, I would be trying to persuade him to open exchanges in underdeveloped countries and put some PR and legal backing behind them.  Kenya would be my first choice; then Nigeria; if it weren't for the insane political climates, Iran and North Korea would be good too.  It's a bit late for Brazil (it's already doing fine on its own), but some of the smaller South American countries would benefit enormously from a solid bitcoin.

Here's the pitch then: "Rich western mobile company, Vodafone, has managed to become an integral part of the Kenyan economy.  They've done it with their mobile-to-mobile payment system m-Pesa.  They are a centralised private company and are charging relatively large fees to provide, essentially banking services to poor Kenyans.  That centralisation gives them a discomfiting amount of control over Kenyan trade; and those fees are a yoke around the neck of people trying to dig themselves out of an economic hole.  We could help them.  Bitcoin is a decentralised payment system with minimal transfer fees.  It can transfer value from any point on the internet to any other point on the internet near instantaneously.  There is no single entity profiting from these transfers, and anyone can join in with the system that earns those fees, with no barrier to their entry.  Using bitcoins as a method of transferring value is economically highly efficient.  That efficiency can translate to profit.  Even more so in the African continent as there are very few competing services.

Kenyan's need the banking facilities that we take for granted to grow their economy.  Bitcoin would give them those facilities.  It needs infrastructure and marketing investment to penetrate the market though.  While that investment will take care of itself in rich countries, it is unlikely to in poor countries.  For the first time in the history of the world, an African country could be ahead of the game.  All it will take is to sow the seeds."

The biggest problem of course, is finding someone with the drive to push a project like this.  I suspect that that, more than the money, is where the billionaire can help you.  They must have access to lots of get-up-and-go people.  Get one of them on board, and get them funded and I genuinely believe that Bitcoin could remake Africa.


many thanks for the positive posts especially the pitch here above & any further ideas along these lines would be most welcome, I'm wondering if the way to go may be to give the Africa, South America etc as examples of what could be done & that will probably develop naturally especially if the BTC price becomes more stable (say closer to the % daily/monthly moves in the gold price) & concentrate on trying to get funding for an obvious general good Bitcoin development project then ask the foundation which if any they may be more interested in backing - I shall also go & have a chat with my friend who already receives funding re this & her husband who's involved in charity & NPO work

edit: Bitcoin 419s coming to an email inbox near you soon - I need your help to move my coins to $s with a bank/exchange in your country  Tongue
2794  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mt Gox thinks it's the Fed. Freezes acc based on "tainted" coins. on: March 26, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
there is no such thing as tainted coins, there are people who do not take sufficient care of their private keys & their are possible crimes committed by others to access those private keys but all coins are equal, the whole concept of tainted coins is both wrong & unworkable - it is just your (or any other make up your own rules) blacklist of what you may feel like impounding for any reason you happen to decide, all coins are equal & any attempt to second class some will fail, just like a gram of gold that may have been obtained in some manner that you may suspect is dodgy, once it is melted down & mixed with kilos of other gold & moved around in a non regulated market then it can not be blocked - just try & get being an exchange right & leave trying to be the FBI up to what a court that you are under the jurisdiction of orders you to do, if one ever does that is

just my 2c
2795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mobile money slowly turning East Africa into cashless society on: March 26, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
The system used in Africa is based on the GSM standard that lets the operator put simple menus on the users screen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data

Sounds like they use USSD and the SIM toolkit for the M-Pesa system.  Unfortunately any cell operator based system requires the operator and thus also the the government to support it.  An ideal system would bypass as much as possible any requirement for government or big business support.

I've been thinking of how you could do SMS based Bitcoin transactions with low cost hardware (ie. no smart phones/internet) and still be secure; I think you could do it all with two SIM cards.  One SIM card could be from the operator and thus have the ability to send/receive simple SMS messages.  A second SIM card could be independently produced that acts as a Bitcoin wallet and contain SIM Toolkit software necessary to communicate with a Bitcoin SMS gateway to create transactions and check for confirmations.    This second SIM card would not have any ability to log into the cell providers network, but should be able to check and queue up SMS messages in the phone's memory.

Programming for SIM toolkit is a PITA, but simulators are available so a proof of concept wouldn't be too hard to produce.

any NPO, or individuals willing to set one up, looking to move this concept or other possible solutions forward then please to see my thread re potential funding for the research, development, & implementation of this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68162.0;all

all I can say is that I believe it would receive a sympathetic hearing from someone who could offer realistic backing to potentially make it happen
2796  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mt Gox thinks it's the Fed. Freezes acc based on "tainted" coins. on: March 26, 2012, 11:44:53 AM
following & to see Gox's further info re their policy on this, like how much money do they have locked down atm - either because they believe it may once have been stolen or because people have not provided the ID that Gox requested/demanded & what is going to happen to these funds, how much money have they ever returned to those who claimed it stolen from them - if any, when Gox say that you may have to explain the where, why & from whom you received your coins just how can they prove what you say is true in this regard or not, especially if the Internet person (I've both sent & received large quantities of coins from peeps that I have no clue about in rl - just a forum name) you claim to have received the funds from chooses not to cooperate with the inquisition
2797  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Making a BTC pitch to a billionaire on: March 25, 2012, 11:40:32 PM
many thanks for the move & those I know who could potentially help move this forward have been very positive about that so far
2798  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Making a BTC pitch to a billionaire on: March 25, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
"This should be moved to Bitcoin Discussion"

I agree
2799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Making a BTC pitch to a billionaire on: March 25, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
http://www.technologyreview.com/business/39829/?p1=BI

I'm still interested in trying to help fund any NPO doing this btw
2800  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinica Inc on: March 22, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
here's the latest updated summary of the choices so far

teflone                             Hong Kong
Otoh                                Grand Cayman Islands
Qoheleth                          Singapore
AndDuffy                          USA
N.Olmos                           Belize
stochastic                         Japan
Kluge                               Syria
coin_toss                          Bahamas
Jonathan Ryan Owens        Isle of Man
Spekulatius                       Taiwan
johnthedong                      Malaysia
ineededausername             Nevis
myself                               Guernsey
Matthew N. Wright             Panama
bulanula                            Cuba
psy                                   China
dabest1                             Brazil
Mushoz                              UK
cloon                                 Switzerland
malevolent                         Liechtenstein
YoYa                                  L5!!!
gewure                              Pyongyang FTW!
Scott J                               Indonesia
idev                                   New Zealand
qualalol                              Sealand
muyuu                               Aldeney
Blazr                                  Nigeria
miscreanity                         Iran - Kish Island
thest0ckman                       Russia
barrymac                            British Virgin Islands
EpicBacon                           Canada
Chaang Noi (Goat)               Tuvia or whatever that island nation near NZ is...
naima53                             Cyprus
arabianights                        (Proposal to facilitate Isle of Man jurisdiction)

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