You're unusually slow today? Outside the universe, it was something made up of cause without internal effect. It caused the universe, as an experiment, to see what effect was like.
Your logic is broken. Causality doesn't work like you're describing, it's a physical concept. You're generalizing the concept, and then not checking the generalization (because you can't). That's just not scientific, whatever you may think. From what we know, there was just no time as a concept at the start of the universe, so there's no point in trying to talk about causality as we understand it. Also, you talk about "outside the universe" but that's anti-scientific crap: the universe is the concept of everything from the scientific perspective, so if there was something "outside" the universe, it wouldn't be out but part of the universe. Anyway, of course you won't understand anything of what I'm saying. It's in your religious interest to reach your preconceived "truth", your archaic belief about a zombie jesus etc. https://i.imgur.com/xeqSGHc.jpgSince nobody can think about everything, either in pieces or as a whole, how in the world will anyone ever be able to think about something that is outside of the universe? Or how would anyone KNOW that there isn't something outside the universe? Since everything has a cause, and even the idea that something might not have a cause has a cause, what is the cause of the universe? Even Hawking, in some of his final writings, says that there was a cause that caused the universe. Before the universe existed, something was there that gave the universe its existence. We can say "before," because "after" the creation there was time. So, we can say before, because time exists now, after, and we are within that time, saying "before." Playing with the Jesus-idea is not relevant to the idea of atheism. "Jesus" is an idea that comes after there is understanding of the existence of God. You might as well say Pete, or Sam, or Joe if you don't understand that God exists. So, why bring Jesus into it?... except that you naturally know that God exists? In the universe, complexity is not known to come from something simple, except that something way more complex "programmed" the simple to produce the complex. This means that whatever created the universe was way more complex than the universe. And since the mind of man is here, the Creator was mentally way more complex, as well. Make it easy on yourself. Call it God, because "God" fits the definition of that greater complexity. Calling It God doesn't mean that you know everything about It. As science expands, and as more and more people become scientists, these scientists are logically following the above pattern. They might not be using the word God, but they are describing Something/Someone that fits the basic idea of the definition. It's only logical from the things that exist that God exists, by whatever name you want to call Him. There isn't any pure random that we have found. Everything has a cause. Why doesn't God have a cause? Because God, being outside the universe as shown by the fact that He caused it, doesn't fit our ideas of cause or effect. God is different than universe things. If He has a cause within Himself, it is so different than our idea of cause, that we can't understand it, just like we can't understand outside-the-universe. "Atheism" is the simplest, poorest, silliest religion around. Atheists don't want to acknowledge the fact of things staring them right in the face. "Don't want." An atheist is such because of his desires, not because of logic.  Nice programming, lol. Let's face it, your 'God' fucked up. |
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years.
So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax?
I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019.
If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
How about you wait for the 1st quarter of 2021 and count the number of deaths by COVID-19 and then compare it to the yearly flu deaths? Hint: Its only the 3rd month of this year, and there are already 9844 deaths. Italy has surpassed China, so Europe has a very grim outlook. Also, its getting out of hand in the USA (because of people implying "its a hoax", then go partying to get infected etc...). I saw a video from Spain, and the same Italian drama is repeating over there. Their healthcare system cannot cope with the number of patients, and like Italy they have to prioritize and leave many without any treatment. Some people here have been mocking the forum's healthcare worker, you have no idea what you have done... The videos are out there, they might have just not been translated into English yet. but that might not be needed as it appears the USA is going down the same path. If you do nothing (like it is done in case of flu), the whole US population will be infected in 40 days. Half in 39 days. |
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God is loving. You don't have to be so scared of Him that you try to wish Him out of existence like that.
You're like a child that doesn't know yet that santa claus and the three wise men are your parents. You believe in god, but that's just another absurd belief. So I don't need to wish anyone out here, you are wishing god actually existed. You talk to yourself and think you're talking to god. You believe there's something after death and when you get there you'll just get worms into your skull honestly. You better take full advantage of this life and stop the bullshit because from what we actually know there ain't any other life afterwards. The exact same things could be said for you and what you believe. The only part that doesn't work for what you believe, is that things in the universe don't happen without causes. So, what is the cause of the universe? Before the universe existed, whatever there was, caused it. Since cause and effect are universe qualities, we don't have a clue about C&E affecting anything outside the universe, before the universe existed. The order and organization in the universe shows that whatever caused the universe, had the ability to plan and design. Of course, because such planning and designing ability isn't like planning and designing ability within the universe, we don't know the depths of what that planning was like, and what the Planner was/is like... at least not without being told. So we see that anyone who thinks that God doesn't exist is tossing out the evidence, and the scientific evidence. re: So, what is the cause of the universe We don't know. There was no time so how can you have a cause? |
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Would you release the virus in the same location as the lab? Your (crackpot) theory makes no sense. Sure it does. Plausible deniability. "It leaked out by accident. Don't attack us please, it was a mistake we promise." You know what is even better than crackpot theories? Letting everyone else do your thinking for you and waiting for permission to think. You are the kind of guy who would see three seedy looking guys in a dark alley, and go down it anyway because there is no evidence they are going to rob and murder you. You are little more than a domesticated animal in human form waiting to have your throat slit and your blood drained before butchering. You attack me because you are a coward unwilling to look at the horrors right in front of your eyes. Anyone who doesn't have their head firmly lodged up their ass just like you, you perceive as a threat because any exposure to free thought pokes holes in your carefully cultivated willful escapist ignorance. All of the impotent lashing out in the world is not going to brow beat me into being a mindless meat sack like you, so save it. I did not attack you. I criticized your idea. I think your 'theory' does not make sense. If this virus was made in the military lab, the military would release it in the NY subway, not in the local wild game market. Nobody would know that the Chinese released it, the Jihadists would be blamed. Some Muslim Jihadists would take responsibility. Did the Chinese government take responsibility for 'this leakage'? No. |
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Quarantine doesn't mean you don't have access to food mate. You don't need to buy a ton of crap now for no reason.
You are assuming the supply chains will continue working. Even if you can buy food, you should limit the number of trips you make to the store. |
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I thought this was relevant here: I heard another interesting possible motive that China would have for this being a self inflicted wound. China is losing the trade war, the world is waking up to its totalitarian practices, its economy is running on fumes and fraud and its time is numbered as retraction is inevitable for them. The USA is actively moving manufacturing back on shore, but it is still heavily dependent on China as a supply chain.
If China were to shut down access to its production capacity, it would most certainly see repercussions, either in the form of sanctions or possibly even war. However, with this outbreak as an excuse to lock everything down and quarantine its work force, they have a justification for denying the world access to its supply chain before it can rebuild its production capacity domestically. In this way, it could be a preemptive strike on the world's economy by China. Knowing it's own fate is sealed, it may have chosen to go forward with a form of economic mutually assured destruction.
Of course this also has the added benefit of allowing them to almost totally end any domestic dissent and protests, as well as round up massive numbers of dissidents under the pretense of quarantines. This also serves as a form of depopulation, not just by the disease, but by welding people into their apartments to starve, or simply not have access to food because everything is shut down.
So far this is the most plausible motive I have heard that aligns not only with all of the facts of the circumstances of the matter, seeing as China's only level 4 pathogen lab is located in Wuhan, but the results long term serve to benefit the CCP most as they struggle to maintain control.
Would you release the virus in the same location as the lab? Your (crackpot) theory makes no sense. |
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40 days sounds extreme for the length of a lockdown.
In a worst-case scenario involving a Chinese type lockdown...
It takes a maximum of 14 days to show symptoms of coronavirus, but most people will start showing symptoms after 2-5 days.
If the lockdown starts on day "1", after a week the military can go door to door to check for symptoms, those that show symptoms can be quarantined, the process takes about a week and is repeated after 14 days. This would mean that no additional spreading would happen after day "1" and all cases would be identified (and the lockdown could be lifted) on day 21.
I believe this is basically what China did in Wuhan. There are some videos on twitter of empty highways, and videos of pretty brutal police actions against Chinese citizens.
I don't know if this is something western (civilized) countries would be willing to do. It would involve removing ~all freedoms from citizens for three weeks.
Military-style lockdowns work. The problem is politicians do not have the balls to do them. Sooner or later they will capitulate and agree to have a global military lockdown. I suspect they will close the stock markets soon, keep the essential utilities/banking/health care services and food deliveries running as long as they can. Without strict lockdown, in some projections, half of the global population will be affected. Failure to understand the exponential function will lead to inaction or late response. |
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I think this pandemic will be a wake-up call to all military planners. |
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There are a whole big bunch of us that would rather have freedom than lock-down. Is the country going to get the military out and force us into an essential prison? That's against the Constitution of the USA. And it doesn't do any good, anyway. People in lock-down need to be fed. And when the food runs out, they need to get out on the farms and grow more food. The lock-down destroys the good it is trying to do. If somebody wants to be locked down, let him be locked down. The rest of us can continue to operate industry and commerce just the same as always. If a few of us die, death is going to happen anyway. At least in CV freedom, we won't be taking a bunch of military along with us when they try to force us into a lock-down. Lock-down is ineffective and stupid. Put your AR15 down and put your N95 on. This is a medical issue not a political or economic one. I would tell you that this is not a medical issue. Martial law is not a medical issue. Martial law is a freedom removal issue. Your orders tend to slavery... ordering me to put my AR15 down, and put some silly, ineffective mask on. Since you like slavery, you just might obey me. But I won't order you since I don't like slavery. So, what I am really doing is enslaving you to freedom... freedom from my orders, at least. What do you think of that? you slave-maker, you. You can try, LOL. I just finished reloading a fresh batch of .308s. Blacktips. We are ready. Come get some. BTW, N95s are effective along with safety glasses and latex gloves. This thing is airborne, protect your mouth, nose, and eyes. Wear disposable gloves not to contaminate your protective gear. Disinfect your gear with UVC or soap and 70% alcohol when not in use. Stay away from all other smart apes. |
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There are a whole big bunch of us that would rather have freedom than lock-down. Is the country going to get the military out and force us into an essential prison? That's against the Constitution of the USA. And it doesn't do any good, anyway. People in lock-down need to be fed. And when the food runs out, they need to get out on the farms and grow more food. The lock-down destroys the good it is trying to do. If somebody wants to be locked down, let him be locked down. The rest of us can continue to operate industry and commerce just the same as always. If a few of us die, death is going to happen anyway. At least in CV freedom, we won't be taking a bunch of military along with us when they try to force us into a lock-down. Lock-down is ineffective and stupid. Put your AR15 down and put your N95 on. This is a medical issue not a political or economic one. |
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From your article: “Many visit Redding weekly, hoping that God will touch them. I am happy to report that many leave well and whole,” Johnson writes. “But many others leave in the same condition in which they came. I refuse to blame God for this, as though He has a purpose in their disease. While Jesus did not heal everyone alive in His time, He did heal everyone who came to Him. His is the only standard worth following.” From a science article: Coronavirus just caused the American Physical Society to cancel its biggest meeting of the year. So, what does this have to do with atheism? God does what He wants to do. If you don't like it, tough. He is giving you what you are asking for. I did not ask him for Covid-19, did you? Why did he give it to you? |
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Must be difficult for WHO. Trying to spread the most mayhem, without being accused of exaggeration. How come you don't credit your God with Covid-19? Either he made this world and everything in it or he did not. |
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Trump will be done if he does not engage the scientific community. Instead, he had a 'president you are doing a great job' meeting with bank CEOs. What do bank CEOs know about viruses? 'Closing' border but not really, lol. His handling of this situation will be criticized for decades. |
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We need a vaccine or this thing will go south fast.
So? It only kills 3% of the infected. This virus may give the world an extra few days of food when crops start failing. It's infinity better to test our quarantine procedures on this virus than a more serious one. Right. As long as I am not in the 3%. LOL. I suspect there will be some fundamental changes to the way we conduct business, travel, everyday activities after this 'test' is over. 'Sterilization chambers' before you board planes, anyone? |
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Boy, I didn't realize that toilet paper is such a coveted item. Tried to order some this weekend with my grocery store delivery, no dice. Waited to get some today, store shelf empty. Called one store, nope. Called another store, got lucky. However, I only bought one package of 12. The clerk asked me if I wanted more. I hope that I didn't make a crucial error. Although, I am sure cloth rags and frequent showers will work. Or is running water going to be in short supply soon, too? How long, exactly, are people expecting to be holed up? We only have like 33 presumptive cases in the state that I am in at the moment, and I live in a rather large state.(area wise)
There will be about 10K cases in the US in a week or so. 100K in a month, 1M in 3 months, unless the US government steps in and shows some backbone, close the borders, suspend schools, people gatherings, airports, public transportation and pour money into the development of coronavirus vaccines. I would buy a year's supply if I were you. You live close to water sources or have a hand pump, don't you? WHY hoard toilet paper? It's from Canada. I can't imagine there would be actual shortages of trucks bringing it into the US. On the other hand, there are a great many things from China that may be in short supply. Bringing what? There are already shortages in some stores in Canada. Wait when schools are closed and people will be asked to 'work' from home. Canadians will be buying everything. There will be nothing to ship when factories close in Canada and farms are under quarantine in Mexico. Fuck, I never thought I would have to live through this 'end of the world' scenario. We need a vaccine or this thing will go south fast. |
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Boy, I didn't realize that toilet paper is such a coveted item. Tried to order some this weekend with my grocery store delivery, no dice. Waited to get some today, store shelf empty. Called one store, nope. Called another store, got lucky. However, I only bought one package of 12. The clerk asked me if I wanted more. I hope that I didn't make a crucial error. Although, I am sure cloth rags and frequent showers will work. Or is running water going to be in short supply soon, too? How long, exactly, are people expecting to be holed up? We only have like 33 presumptive cases in the state that I am in at the moment, and I live in a rather large state.(area wise)
There will be about 10K cases in the US in a week or so. 100K in a month, 1M in 3 months, unless the US government steps in and shows some backbone, close the borders, suspend schools, people gatherings, airports, public transportation and pour money into the development of coronavirus vaccines. I would buy a year's supply if I were you. You live close to water sources or have a hand pump, don't you? |
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Breaking News out of New York (which has the highest rate of coronavirus infections in the country). The State Universities of New York (SUNY) and City Universities of New York (CUNY) are going to be going to online learning on March 19th. Private Schools did this first, and the public school system followed suit.
Pretty crazy news, though this is going to be a good thing. Limiting human contact is the best way to stop the spread of this disease, and to ensure that the older population has a limited chance to get this (as it is like 3 percent lethal for the older pop, much more lethal then the flu)
What do ya guys think?
Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html
To reduce the dead headcount, all schools, churches, conferences, events should be suspended until we find a vaccine for this virus. |
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Today I went to the big box stores to buy a few months worth of supplies and I wore a surgical mask and latex gloves.
I can tell you that wearing a mask and gloves makes you think about what you and all other people touch.
Stores are 'virus transmission centers'.
It is crazy how our way of life helps to spread viruses and bacteria.
Wearing masks and gloves is a behavior modification tool for most people.
We need a vaccine to put this one to bed.
I don't think we will be able to stop the transmission of this virus. Eventually, 80-90% of the population will be affected.
PS. The only way to stay in the 10% of those not affected is to limit contact with people.
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See your problem is your failure to look at the issue objectively.
A rational and objective scale would look something more like this.
IQ 50-100 = Moronic Human who knows he is no genius
IQ 101-250 = Moronic Human with delusions of genius
What is more dangerous the moron who knows his limitations or the dilusional moron who thinks he is a genius?
Oh, you were so close, lol. IQ 50-100 = smart ape who knows he/she is not a genius IQ 101-129 = smart ape with delusions of being a genius IQ 130-250 = smart ape that knows his/her limitations/strengths, he/she also knows that 95% of other HS apes are morons Apes with 130+ IQ can create new knowledge. Africans have education and poverty issues that translate to a lack of general knowledge. IQ distribution among African apes is probably the same as that of European or Asian apes. |
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