Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

The exact same things could be said for you and what you believe. The only part that doesn't work for what you believe, is that things in the universe don't happen without causes. So, what is the cause of the universe?

Before the universe existed, whatever there was, caused it. Since cause and effect are universe qualities, we don't have a clue about C&E affecting anything outside the universe, before the universe existed.

The order and organization in the universe shows that whatever caused the universe, had the ability to plan and design. Of course, because such planning and designing ability isn't like planning and designing ability within the universe, we don't know the depths of what that planning was like, and what the Planner was/is like... at least not without being told.

So we see that anyone who thinks that God doesn't exist is tossing out the evidence, and the scientific evidence.

re:  So, what is the cause of the universe

We don't know.  There was no time so how can you have a cause?

You're unusually slow today? Outside the universe, it was something made up of cause without internal effect. It caused the universe, as an experiment, to see what effect was like.

Of course, you can use many other explanations to determine if it even wanted a "why?".

[Lambowei]

You're unusually slow today? Outside the universe, it was something made up of cause without internal effect. It caused the universe, as an experiment, to see what effect was like.

Your logic is broken. Causality doesn't work like you're describing, it's a physical concept. You're generalizing the concept, and then not checking the generalization (because you can't). That's just not scientific, whatever you may think.

From what we know, there was just no time as a concept at the start of the universe, so there's no point in trying to talk about causality as we understand it.

Also, you talk about "outside the universe" but that's anti-scientific crap: the universe is the concept of everything from the scientific perspective, so if there was something "outside" the universe, it wouldn't be out but part of the universe.

Anyway, of course you won't understand anything of what I'm saying. It's in your religious interest to reach your preconceived "truth", your archaic belief about a zombie jesus etc.

[BADecker]

You're unusually slow today? Outside the universe, it was something made up of cause without internal effect. It caused the universe, as an experiment, to see what effect was like.

Your logic is broken. Causality doesn't work like you're describing, it's a physical concept. You're generalizing the concept, and then not checking the generalization (because you can't). That's just not scientific, whatever you may think.

From what we know, there was just no time as a concept at the start of the universe, so there's no point in trying to talk about causality as we understand it.

Also, you talk about "outside the universe" but that's anti-scientific crap: the universe is the concept of everything from the scientific perspective, so if there was something "outside" the universe, it wouldn't be out but part of the universe.

Anyway, of course you won't understand anything of what I'm saying. It's in your religious interest to reach your preconceived "truth", your archaic belief about a zombie jesus etc.

https://i.imgur.com/xeqSGHc.jpg

Since nobody can think about everything, either in pieces or as a whole, how in the world will anyone ever be able to think about something that is outside of the universe? Or how would anyone KNOW that there isn't something outside the universe?

Since everything has a cause, and even the idea that something might not have a cause has a cause, what is the cause of the universe? Even Hawking, in some of his final writings, says that there was a cause that caused the universe.

Before the universe existed, something was there that gave the universe its existence. We can say "before," because "after" the creation there was time. So, we can say before, because time exists now, after, and we are within that time, saying "before."

Playing with the Jesus-idea is not relevant to the idea of atheism. "Jesus" is an idea that comes after there is understanding of the existence of God. You might as well say Pete, or Sam, or Joe if you don't understand that God exists. So, why bring Jesus into it?... except that you naturally know that God exists?

In the universe, complexity is not known to come from something simple, except that something way more complex "programmed" the simple to produce the complex. This means that whatever created the universe was way more complex than the universe. And since the mind of man is here, the Creator was mentally way more complex, as well.

Make it easy on yourself. Call it God, because "God" fits the definition of that greater complexity. Calling It God doesn't mean that you know everything about It.

As science expands, and as more and more people become scientists, these scientists are logically following the above pattern. They might not be using the word God, but they are describing Something/Someone that fits the basic idea of the definition. It's only logical from the things that exist that God exists, by whatever name you want to call Him.

There isn't any pure random that we have found. Everything has a cause. Why doesn't God have a cause? Because God, being outside the universe as shown by the fact that He caused it, doesn't fit our ideas of cause or effect. God is different than universe things. If He has a cause within Himself, it is so different than our idea of cause, that we can't understand it, just like we can't understand outside-the-universe.

"Atheism" is the simplest, poorest, silliest religion around. Atheists don't want to acknowledge the fact of things staring them right in the face. "Don't want." An atheist is such because of his desires, not because of logic.

[Lambowei]

Since nobody can think about everything, either in pieces or as a whole, how in the world will anyone ever be able to think about something that is outside of the universe? Or how would anyone KNOW that there isn't something outside the universe?

The universe is everything by definition. Thus talking about something "outside the universe" is just nonsense.

Since everything has a cause, and even the idea that something might not have a cause has a cause, what is the cause of the universe? Even Hawking, in some of his final writings, says that there was a cause that caused the universe.

You say everything has a cause, but that's your belief, it's not science.

Before the universe existed, something was there that gave the universe its existence. We can say "before," because "after" the creation there was time. So, we can say before, because time exists now, after, and we are within that time, saying "before."

You say "before the universe existed", but there's no before the existence of the universe because from what we know time was created with the universe. Thus you're just using bullshit arguments to "demonstrate" your religious nonsensical belief.

Playing with the Jesus-idea is not relevant to the idea of atheism. "Jesus" is an idea that comes after there is understanding of the existence of God. You might as well say Pete, or Sam, or Joe if you don't understand that God exists. So, why bring Jesus into it?... except that you naturally know that God exists?

You're playing down it, but your bs religion is full of bullshit, like bushes in fire that talk to people and zombies that are the saviour.

[BADecker]

Nice programming, lol.  Let's face it, your 'God' fucked up.

You understand that God exists at last!! Now that you understand, time to find out about Him.

[BADecker]

Nice programming, lol.  Let's face it, your 'God' fucked up.

You understand that God exists at last!! Now that you understand, time to find out about Him.

No dice.

If there was God, people infected with Covid-19 who attend churches would be healed.

Instead, Pope and priests around the world ask people to stay away from churches.

Hypocrites!!!

Science won.  Game over for superstitions aka 'religions'.

Since you contradict yourself, you will need to prove your veracity.

Science absolutely won. God is real, as proven by science... which He made.

[Lambowei]

God is real, as proven by science... which He made.

That's not what scientists say. That's what religious zealots say.

[BADecker]

God is real, as proven by science... which He made.

That's not what scientists say. That's what religious zealots say.

You're wrong! Scientists are more and more saying that there is a Designer behind the way things work. Read Hawkings last writings about Big Bang. He doesn't say it right out, but he suggests that there is a creating force before BB.

[Lambowei]

Read Hawkings last writings about Big Bang. He doesn't say it right out

So you're wrong. And you're not bright enough to understand him anyway, let's be honest.

[BADecker]

Read Hawkings last writings about Big Bang. He doesn't say it right out

So you're wrong. And you're not bright enough to understand him anyway, let's be honest.

I'm wrong about little things, but not about Big Bang being wrong.

BB for itself is useless because it destroys itself. Hawking probably recognized this all along, but was paid to do the work... so he did it.

In his case, the fact that he was bordering on recognizing the existence of God, probably wasn't enough to save him. But, God is merciful. You never know.

For your best benefit, start to realize that God exists.

[Naida_BR]

I am not sure why you are still discussing that.
Scientists cannot prove that the God didn't create the universe.
If Big Bang did that, there is not any scientific proof about the existence of people. And for those that will say that we are the evolution of gorillas, monkeys, etc then why those species still exist?

[Trading]

No offense intended, I'm just quoting a scientific paper:

The Negative Intelligence–Religiosity Relation: New and Confirming Evidence
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167219879122


"meta-analysis of 63 studies that showed a negative intelligence–religiosity relation (...). correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs in college and noncollege samples ranged from −.20 to −.23. one possible interpretation for the IRR is that intelligent people are more likely to use analytic style (i.e., approach problems more rationally).".

In other words, atheists don't believe in things just because other people say that they believe in that. The belief has to be coherent and consistent with evidence.

Most believers believe because they were coerced or conditioned into by family or society. Further rationalization intends just to reinforce the belief and rarely really to question it.

[Vod]

Religious people have screwed this planet, believing their sky maid will come clean up the CO2.

Now we have these cult leaders actively trying to spread the virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/us/louisiana-pastor-spell-coronavirus/index.html

If there is a quota on deaths, I hope religious people are used first. 

[Lambowei]

I'm wrong about little things, but not about Big Bang being wrong.

That's your fanatic religious belief, not a fact.

BB for itself is useless because it destroys itself. Hawking probably recognized this all along, but was paid to do the work... so he did it.

Some blabber about a conspiracy theory.

Scientists cannot prove that the God didn't create the universe.

And you can't prove that the universe didn't come from a monkey's ass. Sorry, but your lack of logic is appalling.

[OgNasty]

If there is a quota on deaths, I hope religious people are used first. 

What kind of miserable life would you have to have to wish death upon an entire group of people because they don't believe what you believe?  How truly sad.  I feel sorry for you Vod.

[Vod]

What kind of miserable life would you have to have to wish death upon an entire group of people because they don't believe what you believe?  How truly sad.  I feel sorry for you Vod.

Oh, as compared to you, who announces his wishes to kill people via PM?

You should read my post again, bitch.

How truly sad you are, but you caused it yourself.  :/

[jqprez]

If there is a quota on deaths, I hope religious people are used first.  

What kind of miserable life would you have to have to wish death upon an entire group of people because they don't believe what you believe?  How truly sad.  I feel sorry for you Vod.

Who is "religious", but those who are truly religious, are not afraid of death because they are waiting for eternal life

[Trading]

As expected several churches have appealed to "their flocks" to ignore Covid19 ("God will save us"), others thanked god for it, others said it's an hoax.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/02/coronavirus-god-christain-jewish-muslim-leaders-saying-deadly-plague/5101639002/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/04/america-rightwing-christian-preachers-virus-hoax

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/some-await-god-to-save-them-from-covid-19-they-should-consider-the-helpers-he-sent/2020/05/08/500f8948-9098-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html

No church who believes on an omniscient and omnipotent god is able to explain negative natural occurrences. They can't blame then on people's "sinful" will.

Saying that god is testing us implies saying that he doesn't mind to use the sufferance and death of innocent kids to test their parents. Many kids died from this. It's even discriminatory.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/16/913365560/the-majority-of-children-who-die-from-covid-19-are-children-of-color

And Sars-Cov-2 is a minor one compared with the 1918 flu or the Black Death.

[BADecker]

If there is a quota on deaths, I hope religious people are used first.  

What kind of miserable life would you have to have to wish death upon an entire group of people because they don't believe what you believe?  How truly sad.  I feel sorry for you Vod.

Who is "religious", but those who are truly religious, are not afraid of death because they are waiting for eternal life

The 'truly religious' people would do us all a favor if they would just kill themselves and join their 'God'.

Why wait here on our miserable planet when you can join your 'God' in heaven right away?

This is what the truly religious people are doing... destroying themselves. People don't have to be religious to look at nature and see that God exists by understanding the complexity. People have to be religious to push the reality of God out of their mind and believe the religion atheism.

When people push themselves into believing atheism, they are destroying themselves. How? They are pushing God out of their lives... God, the God of nature, the One who is maintaining the structure of nature... nature, which is keeping atheists alive.

It would be nice to see the religious atheists jump out of their atheism religion into reality. But if they want, let them keep on in their religion, and destroy themselves.

[Mauser]

The 'truly religious' people would do us all a favor if they would just kill themselves and join their 'God'.

Why wait here on our miserable planet when you can join your 'God' in heaven right away?

Because it doesn't work like that. Almost all religions have a certain rules by which you need to life by. These rules determine if you are a good or bad person and only the good people will go to heaven. Killing yourself is a sin and you will not be able to go to heaven.