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Bump.
Has anyone been watching these sub-10 BTC addresses and got any more to add to the OP list?
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I got it. Don't open it. Forward the e-mail with a message explaining that you think it is fraudulent to support@bitstamp.net. |
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It's not a mixing process - it's in line with the leaked code supposed to be from Gox: dust sweeping. |
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So, based on the above (and always remembering that this may be out-of-date as I write it, and certainly as you read it): what we very strongly believe, right now (although of course can't say with 100% certainty) is that someone has loaded 200,000 coins into the Gox hot wallet.
I have made a thread listing what should be some of the end addresses in this proposed Gox-hot-wallet splitting sequence. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505989.0Please follow the tree https://blockchain.info/tree/114688199 and add more to the thread as you find them. For the theory that the leaked code is the true Gox code and that this is the code in action right now to hold (for the time being at least) there should be no movement from these addresses (all addresses with under 10BTC at each) unless it is initiated by a new process (withdrawals, transfers to tumblers, etc.). I think it is very useful to have an exhaustive list of these addresses so all work to add to the list is extremely beneficial and helps to compile evidence. I'm off to bed. Goodnight! |
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Please keep an eye on these people.
I'm off to bed!
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"Exactly" what? I'm saying I don't recall any of the official statements actually saying that they've lost all the coins. If you have a reference to such an official statement I'd be interested.
1. "No, it would appear that these are the remaining 200,000 coins that Gox has left..." 2. "The official line, in the legal documents filing for bankruptcy, says nothing about how many coins they have left..." That's why I said "exactly". Your second statement backs up my assertion that your first statement is not based on any official information. |
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May be the thief (thieves) moving funds...
They are dividing sums and sending them to different addresses.
They are currently transferring and dividing big sums from each new address to two new addresses.
Every step makes sums twice smaller.
And it is happening NOW !
Pft. There was no "theft". That's BS. ALL of the 5 wallets in the link above were known to last be accessed by Mt.Gox in 2011. How could they (GOX) claim that those bitcoin were "stolen" when they were still sitting in those wallets the entire time and were never touched (until this morning that is). What, someone stole the keys to those wallets? I don't believe that. A thief would have transferred and started tumbling those BTC the moment they had access to it, not sit and wait for GOX to fall, have all eyes on GOX and then 2+ years later all of a sudden wake up one morning and decide to wipe the wallets out. No, it would appear that these are the remaining 200,000 coins that Gox has left after the theft of the 850,000 coins. And that they are being moved from Gox cold storage to the Gox hot wallet. See: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zt2hc/i_made_a_network_map_of_where_the_coins_went_from/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zshct/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0/cfwnd2v?context=3As to what Gox are doing with these coins, who knows? But due to the bankruptcy proceedings it's unlikely that anything will happen quickly. It could just be part of an audit to prove that these few coins are still accessible. roy Where did you read that they have 200,000 coins remaining? The official line is they have nothing. If they had exactly 200,000 coins left it would be strange for them to move everything to the hot wallet, wouldn't it?  The official line, in the legal documents filing for bankruptcy, says nothing about how many coins they have left, only how many they lost. Exactly |
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Has someone who isn't a nut job contacted the Japanese court's supervisor of Mt. Gox about this?
Monday morning I'm going to call the call centre and give them the blockchain web address for the tree everyone's referring to. The representative I spoke with a couple of days ago said that they can pass back messages to the supervisor's team. |
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May be the thief (thieves) moving funds...
They are dividing sums and sending them to different addresses.
They are currently transferring and dividing big sums from each new address to two new addresses.
Every step makes sums twice smaller.
And it is happening NOW !
Pft. There was no "theft". That's BS. ALL of the 5 wallets in the link above were known to last be accessed by Mt.Gox in 2011. How could they (GOX) claim that those bitcoin were "stolen" when they were still sitting in those wallets the entire time and were never touched (until this morning that is). What, someone stole the keys to those wallets? I don't believe that. A thief would have transferred and started tumbling those BTC the moment they had access to it, not sit and wait for GOX to fall, have all eyes on GOX and then 2+ years later all of a sudden wake up one morning and decide to wipe the wallets out. No, it would appear that these are the remaining 200,000 coins that Gox has left after the theft of the 850,000 coins. And that they are being moved from Gox cold storage to the Gox hot wallet. See: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zt2hc/i_made_a_network_map_of_where_the_coins_went_from/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zshct/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0/cfwnd2v?context=3As to what Gox are doing with these coins, who knows? But due to the bankruptcy proceedings it's unlikely that anything will happen quickly. It could just be part of an audit to prove that these few coins are still accessible. roy Where did you read that they have 200,000 coins remaining? The official line is they have nothing. If they had exactly 200,000 coins left it would be strange for them to move everything to the hot wallet, wouldn't it? |
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Someon on Reddit made a binary tree of the coins. It's a beautiful thing, I take no credit,I just stole it.
Looks like those coins are partying away in there, oblivious to all the distress they're causing. |
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The coins are now in several hundred new addresses with 300-2000 BTC each. If it's actually using the splitBigOutputs() function they should end up in 30k different addresses holding less than 10 BTC each.
This. Yes probably u are right, it's really unfortunately for all people who lost btc in that way. Understand, though, that if it stops at 30k addresses with 10BTC in each this could be interpreted as a positive sign, as it would mirror what looks like Gox's hot wallet loading procedure. If it keeps going then I suppose we keep watching, with a sinking feeling.  |
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Next step, laundering the coins so that they remain untraceable?
Mark will have to justify these movements, of course the 850k BTC heist was a lie but now what is he doing? Preparing to give back our coins or find a way to rob them without being spotted?
I don't want to raise hope, I really don't, but why would he use the same splitting system that has been seen in action before, the code for which was leaked recently - ie the Gox hot wallet system - if he was trying to do it without being spotted? Wouldn't you write some different code for the splitter, something that doesn't have Gox's signature all over it? |
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I can't believe this isn't bigger news. All bitcoin/crypto bloggers still focusing on the LA Bitcoin Chase from yesterday. This should be plastered all over the place right now. It's pretty damn apparent that MtGox was the last entity to have access to those bitcoins and now all of a sudden, all of those wallets on the same day are being emptied out. Wallets that haven't been touched since 2011. All at the same time. All getting "tumbled" through different addresses.
Unless MtGox releases a statement stating that they have recovered a vast amount of their "missing" bitcoins, I'm going to assume that someone either at Gox or associated with GOX is trying to get all of these bitcoin tumbled for their own personal gain.
This is not "tumbling". |
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Satoshi has c. 1m coins. He may or may not spend any or all of them. I imagine Satoshi himself is the only person properly qualified to know whether he ever will. In my mind, becoming the potential target of robbery, extortion, crank calls, begging letters, kidnapping and unwanted press intrusion makes him more likely to spend them than before.
But we do have a final, formidable weapon against Satoshi's upcoming coin dump... Bitstamp's KYC procedures!  (unless they decide to bend the rules for once. It is Satoshi after all.) |
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Could you say for sure that this is not the case? I couldn't.
The fact that he used his real name on forums makes it very unlikely. I just cannot believe that "The Man" would let him use his real name if he was working as a contractor on a top secret "con the masses out of their money" project. But I can believe that way back at the beginning of Bitcoin no-one, not even Satoshi, could have seen where we would be today, and using his middle name would seem like enough anonymity for such a niche hobby. |
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Another Satoshi article. One of the most striking tidbits of his character was revealed by his daughter, Ilene Mitchell:
"He is very wary of government interference in general," she says. "When I was little, there was a game we used to play. He would say, 'Pretend the government agencies are coming after you.' And I would hide in the closet."Classic! http://www.businessinsider.com/satoshi-nakomoto-2014-3#ixzz2vCZS0EBs |
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They didnt take my name...
And btw... taking a name sounds like BS, because anyone can say whatever name he wants... they need to check name with account and/or id, imo.
Yes, sorry, they also took some basic account info. |
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